Disclaimer: This was originally posted in the Games For Windows forums as a reply to a forum user. I repost it here because I do feel that this is one of the biggest problems with "game communities" today. Since Destructioid has been running a community commentary on "game communities", I thought I would share my reply with you. I am sure you guys have encountered this before as well, and that this might either give you a laugh, or make you take pause. No one has to reply to this, this is just for those who wish to read it. I am just one of the more vocal supporters of the Games For Windows Live service, and what you see here is nothing new to me. Please continue.
The original link: http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/t/7253.aspx
*THE ORIGINAL POST*
So OverTheBelow posted this message a little earlier today:
"By the way, there is some user who is threatening to ruin GFWL. He has a good knowledge of C++ & various programming languages and he has created some hacks that really ruin it for other people.
One being the 'xliveachiever' for example, which unlocks all achievements for the game when you start it up. He threatens to release this to the public.
Another problem being that he has already found a way to bypass 'Zero-Day Piracy'. ~~
These problems are gently driving me away from GFWL."
Ok, you want to know what I think? Well, as one of the more well known members of the Games For Windows Live community, I will tell you.
1)His gamertag name comes from this:
A drug addict from Columbia. If you run the the link through Babblefish or your favorite online webpage translator:
You see that this guy had a horrible end to his life. I guess this guy thinks he is making a statement about MS or something. Most "activists" do this as a "homage' to something that struck a chord within themselves regarding a situation. So it makes a little sense if you think about it.
2)As for what OverTheBelow has stated, let's break that down:
"By the way, there is some user who is threatening to ruin GFWL. He has a good knowledge of C++ & various programming languages and he has created some hacks that really ruin it for other people."
If you really wanted to, you could have listed IN DETAIL what these hacks are and how they work. If you have knowledge of them, then you might also have knowledge of where you saw them, got them, or how to use them. That is information that the GFWL could use. Maybe OverTheBelow has done this, but I do not remember seeing any details listed on this forum about this. Correct me if I am wrong, but that seems to be the case.
"One being the 'xliveachiever' for example, which unlocks all achievements for the game when you start it up. He threatens to release this to the public."
This one is a mixed bag. One, should I REALLY CARE about some loser who can not play his game properly? Two, yes he has the Batman achievements unlocked. Three, what should you make of his "threat"?
Answers? One, No, I DO NOT CARE about some jizzguzzler who can not play the game properly. Even Steam users know the pain of people like this, or was that TF2 update just for shits and giggles? Cheating is cheating, and in multiplayer it is just disgraceful - single player is up to player I guess. But understand this guy probably could not aim properly or choose his inventory correctly without his precious hacks. He probably is not a REAL GAMER, and to him this is the only way this guy can get any attention directed towards him anyway.
Two, that version of Batman: AA is a Direct 2 Drive version, and any real "cracker" can tell you in a second those copies differ from retail versions in several ways. Like the Halo 3 ODST leak, this can be tracked. The leaked version of Halo 3 ODST was not ripped properly - it is missing about 100 megs of game data. You can work around it to get it to play, but that allows for other sources to track your usage. Like when Crackdown came out and A BILLION PEOPLE tried to use the same key disc at the same time, there are patterns to a pirated version that can be used to track and defend against as well as exploit and abuse. This works both ways.
There are also a pair of "Crackfixes" that are available that fix "problems" with the original D2D rip. You can be the best at something, but CRCs are there for a reason. This guy probably used that data in offline mode to glitch out the achievements, and for that you have to chalk it up to expierence. But understand something - when this happens at retail, the vendor is fined for each copy that made it out. Now in the age of Digital Distribution, that now shifts to the provider of the downloaded content, meaning D2D is probably going to have to make payments to MS and Eidos for this. Just because something is digitial does not mean there is no responsibility for content.
When Fuel PC was pirated, the first crack simply cut out the GFWL dashboard. So while you could play the game, you could not save or view the achievement list (because the save is tied TO YOUR GAMECARD!). The next day Razor1911 cracked the game from retail, and NOT ONE HOUR later, some dipshit was posting up the achievement list on XBox360Achievements.com. That is how it goes - people who think they are getting away with something are actually firing up a flare in the sky for all the world to see.
Therefore, I HOPE HE GOES THROUGH WITH HIS THREAT. Really, I do. I will personally snag his "tool" and pass it along to MS for one simple reason:
If you look at this guys' gamercard through XBox.com, he has 21 of 23 titles (counting Batman) maxxed out. Those 21 include Juiced 2 and The Club. You following my train of thought here? HE FIXED THE GLITCHED achievements. I would gladly take his threat in return for the chance someone on the "good guys" side could take his data, reverse engineer it like he reverse engineered the game data, and possibly come up with a fix for our two glitched PC GFWL titles. Juiced 2 fans worldwide would love this guy, and even Bra1th might pop up again to finish what he started. This guy could be a HELP to this community in that regard - but "HELP" is not this guy's goal. His goal is to harm and make YOUR gameplay experience WORSE. For that you should TAKE PITY ON HIM, not laud his efforts. He has the choice to do whatever he wants with his skills - it seems he chooses to WASTE THEM for the sake of "being cool". He could be welcomed as a brother here, instead he chooses to threaten the legit users of the service. Newsflash: Gabe Newell does not like people like this guy either - or did we forget what happened with the Half Life 2 Beta code?
OverTheBelow's last piece of commentary about the guy:
"Another problem being that he has already found a way to bypass 'Zero-Day Piracy."
No, he has not. Again, this is a D2D version of the game, which will be different code than the actual retail version. There are differences in this. Like others have stated, he can not connect to live under 3.0 - else he would had Section 8 done already. He also does not have The Legend Of Galactic Heroes unlocked as well, which tells me mister "I AM TEH PIR8!" has not figured it all out yet. The pirated version of LOTGH had TWO KEYS in it - one for disc check, one for GFWL. While people can change up the GFWL key like other titles in the past, the disc check key is the same FOR ALL YOU FOLKS PIRATING THAT GAME. THAT is how we know about you people. Unless you have a legit copy of the game, your first key is THE SAME, and that can be tracked. Just like Halo 3 ODST's missing data, and just like the difference between a D2D copy and a retail one. Also, the "cracks" for Batman seem to be a mixture of demo exe code (nzone's demo exe specifically) and D2D exe code - again, this can be tracked and found out if necessary.
So far, 3.0 is doing what it is supposed to do - keep the online pirates off. While I am almost certain you will see a pirated version of Section 8, it will be like other PC pirated titles with a major online compenent - you can play LAN (if the game gave you that option), or you use tunneling software for partial success, but the main online components are pretty much gone. Even pirates say, "Like the game? Want to play it online? BUY THE GAME".
Because of that, Blizzard yanked full LAN support for Starcraft 2, and you should understand the more people do this crap, the less LAN enabled titles you are going to see.
And finally, OverTheBelow's personal comment:
"These problems are gently driving me away from GFWL."
Then I take it you RAN FROM STEAM months ago? Because this is not different from the glitchers and cheaters on that service as well. Gabe hates them as much as we do. They HURT THE SERVICE FOR REAL PLAYERS. All because some jerkweed had to whip out his e-penis. Big Deal. What happens AFTER he pops the 1000? What happens to his "afterglow" a week later? Anyone in any industry will tell you that you are only as good as your last effort, and if this is all this guy has got, LET THE BABY HAVE HIS BOTTLE. If you see a user with stats like his, and they are not members of this forum, YOU SHOULD NOT CARE. Disconnect the session with this cheating hack, and find some real players. Even better, come here, set a date, AND HOST A SESSION YOURSELF. I have done it, and have seen the worst of the online cheats because of it, but that does not make me stop playing GFWL titles.
And it never will. This guy is nothing but a reaction to the SUCCESS Games For Windows Live is having. While he might do some short term damage, he is truly WASTING his talents that could be used elsewhere. In the end, the only person he truly hurts is himself.
GFWL - Because after a while, he will realize that his efforts only strengthen those who oppose him with as much energy as he puts forth.
*END ORIGINAL MESSAGE*
This is not just a problem for Games For Windows Live. This is a problem for any game community that wishes to know success. You always seem to have someone out there bound and determined to ruin YOUR experience for the sake of whipping out their e-penis. It does not matter what community you support, you will always have people like this, and the biggest weapon you have against them is your stedfast support of whatever community you partake in.
That is what drives a community - the unyeilding determination to make what you like succeed. Please remember this when you may have doubts about your gaming, whatever that maybe. Again, you do not have to post a reply, you can if you want, but I just wanted this "nailed to the church door of St. Destructoid's" for the public to read, think about, and keep in mind. read