@ Naim Master - Please explain. I get that there is no skill tree involved. But there is an epic story, with puzzles and lots of side quests. Lots of dialog as well. Yes I does lean heavier on the ACTION side, but I think it may still fall under the umbrella of RPG. Well if anything, it goes to show that RPG's are new to me, and I'm learning. But I'm still enjoying them.
@ Naim Master, technically by the literal definition of 'Role Playing Game' almost every game ever is an RPG, though that would be an extremely anal analysis.
To your point more directly, however, going by gaming conventions I would agree that Zelda is not a full-on RPG - but it certainly uses certain RPG elements and I would never say someone was categorically 'wrong' to call it one.
@ TheJesusNinja26
Excellent blog, I really enjoyed reading it - and I'm not just saying that. It's always nice to read how others have experienced games you too have enjoyed. I heartily suggest you also pick up Morrowind/Oblivion (if you haven't already) for obvious reasons.
PS: Love the vault dweller costume.
To your point more directly, however, going by gaming conventions I would agree that Zelda is not a full-on RPG - but it certainly uses certain RPG elements and I would never say someone was categorically 'wrong' to call it one.
@ TheJesusNinja26
Excellent blog, I really enjoyed reading it - and I'm not just saying that. It's always nice to read how others have experienced games you too have enjoyed. I heartily suggest you also pick up Morrowind/Oblivion (if you haven't already) for obvious reasons.
PS: Love the vault dweller costume.
Balls missed the part where you said you'd already bought Oblivion *read fail* in that case I replace that suggestion with Borderlands.
Not so strong on the story point though.
Not so strong on the story point though.
@ LsTr Of SmG - Thanks for the kudos, I appreciate it. I have Borderlands as well, and man is it fun. I'm letting my father-in-law borrow Dragon Age now, so maybe I'll fire up Oblivion tonight. Good call on both. I'll add you on XBOX live, so keep your eyes peeled for a request, maybe we can do some Pandora roaming sometime. Take care,and have a relaxing weekend.
@LsTr Of SmG, you need to do an intro blog, you don't have one up brosef. It's a good way for the community to get to know you.
@TheJesusNinja26
Sure thing, I'm not on XBL as much as I used to be (rather shoddy connection most of the time) but I'm definitely up for it. As for an intro blog I actually did one ages back but my blog itself was somewhat broken - it got fixed but I never got round to reuploading it.
...but you've just given me an idea on how to spend my evening. Catch you around, and thanks for the motivation!
Sure thing, I'm not on XBL as much as I used to be (rather shoddy connection most of the time) but I'm definitely up for it. As for an intro blog I actually did one ages back but my blog itself was somewhat broken - it got fixed but I never got round to reuploading it.
...but you've just given me an idea on how to spend my evening. Catch you around, and thanks for the motivation!
@ megastryke. - your article on "Gaming out of your comfort zone" was part of the inspiration for me to write this up. Thanks
Really nice blog and write up, but I was really disappointed with what Bethesda done. I am an old school fallout fan so *shrug* maybe I was just expecting too much, I really don't like the VATS system all that much, takes me out of the game. Borderlands on the other hand has drawn me in and I am loving it, if Borderlands had the story and setting of FO3 I would be in love.
A very inspirational story, TheJesusNinja26, I bet you'll have a blast discovering the nuances of this new genre. Now, a non turn-based RPG amongst recent releases? I think you might be ready for Demon's Souls! "Ready" because I think players unfamiliar to RPGs will be turned off quickly by the difficulty, and those who appreciate the immersiveness and consistency of the game will just fall in love with it BECAUSE of its unforgiveness.
Otherwise, if someday you want to explore the vast history of turn-based RPGs, you might be surprised again by some really enticing worlds and characters. One that truely started its own sub-genre is Final Fantasy Tactics, where you're swallowed in a huge political and religious pseudo-medieval intrigue while you fight battles on tiled maps with heigh and terrain type, acting in order of speed. It's certainly a bit old, born during the first Playstation era, but it's an undying classic in the opinion of many.
Otherwise, if someday you want to explore the vast history of turn-based RPGs, you might be surprised again by some really enticing worlds and characters. One that truely started its own sub-genre is Final Fantasy Tactics, where you're swallowed in a huge political and religious pseudo-medieval intrigue while you fight battles on tiled maps with heigh and terrain type, acting in order of speed. It's certainly a bit old, born during the first Playstation era, but it's an undying classic in the opinion of many.
I despise any turn based rpg that isn't 16-bit. Although I'm more of a rpg-shooter guy like Deus Ex and System Shock.
@ Zserv – Thanks man, yeah it’s pretty cool discovering a whole new world (key in: Aladdin song)
@ Riegel88 – I’ve heard that from a few other people as well about the new style Fallout. Sorry it isn’t quite what you were hoping for. On the bright side a whole new gaggle of Fallout fans have been created. I’ve been playing Borderlands too, and I feel you on the absence of story in Borderlands. Maybe RAGE will deliver?
@ Piellar – I should have mentioned it in the story, but I have purchased Demon’s Souls on a work trip to the Phillipines, and absolutely love it. The difficulty is fantastic, I no longer want a hand holding, but rather a challenge. I don’t have a PS1, so I may have to find an emulator or something. Who knows maybe what I’ll do it get FF XIII to really go out of my comfort zone, and finally play and finish a turn based game, just so I can say, “I DID IT!”
@Mushman – yeah so did I, that guy was only around for like 30 minutes and then disappeared for the rest of the weekend.
@ MB – Since I think those are both PC games, what about some recommendations for SNES? I have one of those.
@ Riegel88 – I’ve heard that from a few other people as well about the new style Fallout. Sorry it isn’t quite what you were hoping for. On the bright side a whole new gaggle of Fallout fans have been created. I’ve been playing Borderlands too, and I feel you on the absence of story in Borderlands. Maybe RAGE will deliver?
@ Piellar – I should have mentioned it in the story, but I have purchased Demon’s Souls on a work trip to the Phillipines, and absolutely love it. The difficulty is fantastic, I no longer want a hand holding, but rather a challenge. I don’t have a PS1, so I may have to find an emulator or something. Who knows maybe what I’ll do it get FF XIII to really go out of my comfort zone, and finally play and finish a turn based game, just so I can say, “I DID IT!”
@Mushman – yeah so did I, that guy was only around for like 30 minutes and then disappeared for the rest of the weekend.
@ MB – Since I think those are both PC games, what about some recommendations for SNES? I have one of those.
Obviously Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2 is a good choice if you liked the first (it's one of my favorite games ever), and if you enjoyed those two, the Champions of Norrath games (only on PS2 I believe) are virtually the same, but set in the Everquest universe, and there's also Dungeons and Dragons Heroes for the original Xbox, though it is probably the least fun of all of them, but still fun. All of these, like most games, are exponentially more fun with more players, local co-op is 2 for all but D&D Heroes, which is 4.
But yeah, good blog, good games. I'll also recommend Morrowind, and say that you should keep an eye on Bethesda, their games might not be as 100% polished as some other games, but when you can play the hell out of them, does it matter that much?
But yeah, good blog, good games. I'll also recommend Morrowind, and say that you should keep an eye on Bethesda, their games might not be as 100% polished as some other games, but when you can play the hell out of them, does it matter that much?
Also, Deus Ex was released in 2000. It's like 10 bucks on steam, and damn near any PC will play it now. And if you can't run it, Deus Ex is also on PS2, albeit a tad bit watered down (smaller levels, more loads, because of PS2's 32 MB of ram) and there's also Deus Ex 2 on the original Xbox, another great game, though not quite as open as Deus Ex 1.
But yeah, both are amazing.
But yeah, both are amazing.
@Draxxlith - Thanks I will check out all of those on GOOZEX. I appreciate it! This is why DTOID Community is the best on the web.
Well, Zelda doesn't have lil' numbers on the screen for experience, damage, elemental resistance, modifiers; Zelda has zero dice rolling, so it's not a RPG....
@TheJesusNinja26: SNES games! Now that's a department I've played plenty. :-D
One game comes to mind when someone asks about a truely classic non-turn-based RPG on the SNES: Zelda - A Link to the Past. It combines the great top-down gameplay of the first NES episode with amazingly smooth graphics (for the era), a LOOOOONG adventure (amongst the largest SNES games in Megabytes) with tons of optionnal quests, secret items and like 12 mandatory dungeons! I think it would be a must for you to play. :)
Otherwise, I will propose you another entry door to the turn-by-turn world, on SNES this time : Chrono Trigger. Gameplay wise, this classic introduced us teenagers with a SNES the concept of RPG battles completely integrated in field exploration. You don't walk around until you go "BAM! Encounter!" on another screen with a side perspective; the enemies will really come out of the shaking bushes if you come too close to them, sewer monsters will erupt from the water if you noisily run into that empty can, etc.
Most importantly, Chrono Trigger is the first video game I know of that has so successfully exploited the theme of time travel. It might not seem like much in 2009, but it was the first game of its genre where you could go in year 600 A.D. to kill a giant sand monster and then travel to year 1000 A.D. and see the beautiful forest that grew in consequence of your cleansing the beast. Your party members each come from various time eras with their own problems and are all amazingly well-animated (drawn by yours truely Akira Toriyama - Dragonball manga). I'm sure you won't be disappointed by this one.
One game comes to mind when someone asks about a truely classic non-turn-based RPG on the SNES: Zelda - A Link to the Past. It combines the great top-down gameplay of the first NES episode with amazingly smooth graphics (for the era), a LOOOOONG adventure (amongst the largest SNES games in Megabytes) with tons of optionnal quests, secret items and like 12 mandatory dungeons! I think it would be a must for you to play. :)
Otherwise, I will propose you another entry door to the turn-by-turn world, on SNES this time : Chrono Trigger. Gameplay wise, this classic introduced us teenagers with a SNES the concept of RPG battles completely integrated in field exploration. You don't walk around until you go "BAM! Encounter!" on another screen with a side perspective; the enemies will really come out of the shaking bushes if you come too close to them, sewer monsters will erupt from the water if you noisily run into that empty can, etc.
Most importantly, Chrono Trigger is the first video game I know of that has so successfully exploited the theme of time travel. It might not seem like much in 2009, but it was the first game of its genre where you could go in year 600 A.D. to kill a giant sand monster and then travel to year 1000 A.D. and see the beautiful forest that grew in consequence of your cleansing the beast. Your party members each come from various time eras with their own problems and are all amazingly well-animated (drawn by yours truely Akira Toriyama - Dragonball manga). I'm sure you won't be disappointed by this one.
@ Naim Master : While it's true that Zelda doesn't show the player any numerical system to represent Link's characteristics, one could argue that RPGs aren't defined by "numbers that pop up in battles". About all games are coded with numerical values tied to weapons' strength, for exemple; the difference is that Modern Warfare keeps its calculations behind the screen where Final Fantasy shows the resulting damage from an attack.
Then is it about a game where you have settlements you can stop in, talk to people, buy stuff? I don't know... many FPSes have shops, characters speaking with their (maybe shallow) story. It would be interesting to write a blog post about what exactly IS a RPG...
Then is it about a game where you have settlements you can stop in, talk to people, buy stuff? I don't know... many FPSes have shops, characters speaking with their (maybe shallow) story. It would be interesting to write a blog post about what exactly IS a RPG...
@Piellar - I'm going to have to go to book mans or a local old school game store because GOOZEX doesn't carry either of those.
Hmmmm... not sure why that didn't work, but here is the real link.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5av96_chrono-trigger-snes-gameplay_videogames
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5av96_chrono-trigger-snes-gameplay_videogames
There's also Illusion of Gaia on the SNES for non turn based rpg'ing, and the Mana series (Secret of Mana on the SNES). The Mana series has been on GB, GBA, SNES, DS, PSX, PS2, and virtual console, so you can likely track one of them down. They're more like your traditional Squeenix rpg, but offer real time combat.
Good points Draxxlith! As a side note, if you have two SNES control, the Mana series is very fun to play cooperatively. There are 3 characters to control in Secret of Mana; the non-used one is on AI and follows Player 1, both players can press Select to switch to the unused character.
Had some time to think today; might wanna check out Brutal Legend, Assassin's Creed, and Assassin's Creed 2. All 3 I find to be worth a rent, and are open world games. :]

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