You know, they say there are no stupid questions. I don't know who "they" are or how they got the authority to say that, but they're wrong. There are stupid questions and things you probably shouldn't say, lest you want to prove you're a moron to other people.
For a gamer, that wrong thing to ask or say amounts to "Wouldn't it be better to do something productive rather than play video games?"
My knee-jerk reaction would be to say this to such a person:
"Allow me to find out what your pastimes are and diminish each one as pointless. Do you like sports? How is watching it on television productive? What does it produce? In fact, how does your favorite team become a possessive to you? How is it 'your' team when
you're not even on it? Hm? I don't see you in the NFL replays."
Watching sports on TV is a passive activity, you've produced nothing by watching it, save for perhaps gaining some intellectual and emotional satisfaction from viewing it. Maybe you're into the statistics, seeing the strategies play out. In other words, you might be getting out of sports what I get out of Zelda or Skyrim when I play them.
But neither produce anything outwardly, so by their own logic watching sports is just as pointless as playing a video game - but they wouldn't admit that to themselves.
"Oh, but going to a sporting event can be social," they'd say. "And sharing your knowledge on forums can be beneficial and enhance other people''s appreciation and understanding of sports. That's productive!"
To which I'd say that that's really no different from video games. Arcades were a social environment, knowledge of games can be shared with other people to enhance their understanding and enjoyment of video games. We've watched entire communities constructing wikis for Dark Souls, Call of Duty, Skyrim and every game under the sun from scratch, which if anything is more of a labor of love than something you get paid for. Discussion on forums might turn people on to different games they might not have otherwise tried.
If I post on these forums, write a blog or vlog or whatever, I'm being productive, aren't I? I'm doing something that may benefit another person. I might meet new people and make friends and I quite honestly have. I've written guides, been a guest on a podcast every now and again and I'm about to start being a regular host for another.
And that's before we even touch on the online communities for multiplayer games, be it Street Fighter or Gears of War or DC Universe Online. I've made friends, hell, I've known people who met their husbands or wives through an MMO and went on to have a happy marriage. Can we just drop the zoned-out zombie image of gaming, please? Its a social thing.
All pastimes are valid pastimes, whether they produce something or not - they would not be pastimes if people could not derive some kind of enjoyment from them. Playing video games is part of what keeps my mind nice, balanced and refreshed so I can go on doing other things that are productive. If some guys didn't start writing about hobbits or Jedi one day; if some guy didn't figure out something else to do with his UHF channel the world would be just a shade less interesting. Science fiction, fantasy and video games might be lost on some people, but that doesn't mean any of them are devoid of value.
I can find plenty of things other people like that I couldn't be driven to care about, but that doesn't mean those things lack value to everyone. Who am I to question what pastimes make other people tick? Some people dance, some people do woodworking, collect baseball cards or go hiking - do these things get deemed unproductive? Not all of it makes something, but it does help people find some contentment. Its just lame to disrespect something because it doesn't move you personally.
So I'll play my video games and you just do whatever it is you do, okay?
I put up with this kind of talk from my parents and people their age because they're baby boomers. I expect it, they're never going to give us the benefit of validation so long as they're still in charge and I accept that. The generation before them was that way, too. But from anyone my age or even slightly younger... that kind of talk just makes me think less of you. Old people are old, but those that don't want to look like old fools would do well to be a bit less judgmental.
If I was pressed further, I was prepared to go on about how foolish it is to like a sports team because you were born in a particular area, the same argument I have against patriotism. This type of stupidity and ignorance bothers me like nothing else. Video games are pretty god damn important to me. They're my thing. They're your thing. Their our thing. To let some cocksucker spit venom towards our chosen hobby without first looking inward on his own interests lacks intelligence. I will not be bullied by anyone.
As for playing games, I justified buying tons of PS2 games over the last couple years, with the intent of writing about them. Some of them were awful, like that shitty Tekken action game with the blonde chick. Others I managed to actually put out some content for this site, like Blood Will Tell. The hope was to share the knowledge of these more obscure but still relevant games with people, in the hopes that they will play them or have played them, and that through our communications some sort of social bond would form.
A favorite story from my time at Destructoid was playing Grand Theft Auto IV with a former writer for the site. The two of us just dicked around, talking about Metal Gear Solid IV and how stupid the Playstation 3 was at the time. We somehow got on the subject of comic books or the best video games ever, and I brought up the Punisher game, one of my favorites. Sometime after that, he wrote a piece analyzing the game that made me smile. My internet detective skills failed to find the article, but it happened because of me and I laughed about that.
Being able to talk about video games is awesome. People who are into it and know what I'm talking about, I love them. People that don't like me or don't want to talk about my particular interests, fuck em.
... and with more active games now, we can even overcome the old argument of "at least with golf, you get some exercise"! :)
You are very right that gaming tends to replace passive activities in the lives of most people. It tends to replace watching TV or reading a book time for me (though I still find time for those activities as well... just less time because I game.) The thing is... for someone like me that doesn't get out much (no work, no school), gaming also provides social interaction that TV and books don't provide. I meet all kinds of interesting people in online play. I also think that gaming keeps the mind more active because it's not as passive as watching TV. You have to plan, think, react.
As far as hobbies go, it's really not a bad hobby at all... and it's cheaper than golf! :)
There are more productive things than video games. Sometimes when I'm playing a game, I look out the window and see the sun shining, and think to myself: "Damn, it's such a beautiful day, let me go out."
Everything must be done in moderation, though. Gaming can be addictive and dangerous. You also must keep in mind that not all games are productive, some are bullshit. It's like the difference between reading Twilight and Death Ship -- they both offer vastly different experiences; one is a commentary about passports and the other is complete bullshit. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it all depends on the game. Gaming, as you pointed out, has a lot of positive things to it, but we also must not ignore its dark side.
Let's say you enjoy ballroom dancing, but someone else will not dance because they think its "gay." Funny how something being "gay" is implied to be feminine or effeminate when to take the lead is one of the most gentlemanly and plain manly things you can do in the situation. Yet they say its "gay" and sit on the sidelines, forcing their girlfriends to struggle and learn with other women, so half of those women don't learn to dance correctly.
A man is supposed to control the flow of a dance and the woman is meant to be the momentum he generates. They're supposed to function as opposites and when the lady is learning a man's role, she doesn't learn that and its hard to switch back out.
And do you know why he really says dancing is "gay?" Because its not and he's just scared that he's going to have a raging boner in proximity to a women he may or actually may not be familiar with. In essence, he's just protecting himself from potential embarrassment and nothing more. Yet were he to allow himself to get used to the idea of dancing and being that close to a woman he may have just met, that likely would not happen at all.
Throwing up walls and making inane distinctions just because you don't want to understand or get used to another activity doesn't mean the activity is without merit. Given the chance you may enjoy the activity or you may not, but the pastime still has merit to someone. The point isn't that it produces something or that it has value to other people, but whether or not it satisfies and refreshes you.
"The point isn't that it produces something or that it has value to other people, but whether or not it satisfies and refreshes you."
That's what I'm saying. It's no good to try to defend gaming as productive in order to validate it as gaming is not necessarily productive. That being said, gaming doesn't require the quality of productivity in order to be worthwhile - it's worthwhile in other ways.
Productivity is a shoddy metric for people to rely on when trying to validate their hobby, so as silly it is for someone to try to invalidate gaming because it's not productive, it's just as silly to respond by saying gaming is worthwhile by virtue of its productivity. The problem isn't whether or not gaming is productive, it's that the person is trying to invalidate the hobby (by using crappy reasoning) - ultimately I feel there's nothing really wrong with saying that gaming isn't productive as it's generally true. We don't need to be sensitive about that fact.
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I'm not seeking validation for video games, actually - I expect this attitude from anyone over 55, its just annoying that anyone 40 or under as those are the people that grew up alongside gaming. I just find the notion of invalidating the pastimes of others to be totally disrespectful. Whether its actually productive to society or not is beside the point - any form of recreation or relaxation has its benefits. Those benefits are constructive.
Its how most of the world stays sane. I don't really give a damn if playing Pac-Man doesn't help make the world a better place, but I do find that if I don't get some regular access to my hobbies I start getting a little snippy.
Well, shit! How come I've fairly intelligent and I don't read novels?
No, I do understand your point. The thing is that you spent roughly the first half of your blog talking about how video games are productive and therefore worthwhile before you began arguing the point that productivity isn't the sole source of value for a hobby. You can't put your weight behind the latter argument if you find yourself wrapped up in trying to argue that video games are worthwhile through their productivity, as it's essentially consumed by this defensive need to prove the hobby as valid on false grounds.
To be fair, he's more explaining why it is productive, rather than trying to justify it. Then he justifies why it doesn't matter.