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So on friday i rejoiced as i finally got my hands on Soul Calibur IV (cos namco bandai love europe). As an avid beat em up fan i have been waiting so long for a next gen fighter on the consoles and im happy to say that for the most part SCIV delivers it very well. I believe with a fighting game its appeal only lasts as long as you have someone to play against and so online is for me the main selling point of this game. After spending a good 4 hours playing in offline modes, i felt i was ready to try out online. I decided that i would jump in to some unranked lobbys to just get a feel for the game with lag, but to my surprise it was totally lag free the whole time. Me and the other 2 guys in the lobby were chatting away, trying different characters on each other which resulted in some epic fights. I got my ass kicked in some matches but i dished it out equally as much (hilde ftw), and in the end 3 hours went by just like that.
Now feeling comfortable with everything i decided to play ranked....and then he appeared....
So my first ever ranked match was to be against kilik and in my past experience with SC2 i knew perfectly well that he along with maxi was the eddy gordo, the vegeta, the sagat of the soul calibur series, but i decided to give the player the benefit of the doubt as he was level 30 compared to my level 1. In the end i wondered why i even bothered, as the kilik fag spammed the same 3 moves over and over and over and over again. I was pissed but moved on to the next match... kilik level 22, next match kilik level 28. Once i got on to my 4th kilik in a row i was ready to just play pixeljunk eden and never come back, but this kilik was at level 5 (nub in training) and with my last 3 matches experience of kilik rape i actually beat this bitch 3-0 but only because i played cheap tactics also. After this match i exited ranked and went right back in to unranked and to be honest i dont think i will play ranked for a while. Personally i think leaderboards and rankings are truly hurting the online experience in most games. It seems people are more concerned with numbers than actually having fun or for the love of the game resulting in this new generation of cheap bastards with no sense of sportmanship. Another fighter i play is Tekken 6 at the arcade, all the players there are skilled and appreciate the game on a technical level. On the rare occasion a person plays cheap tactics, everyone watching lets them know and even sometimes yanks their ass out of the seat. However i know that once Tekken 6 comes out on console it will be the same situation as SCIV. This kind of makes the elitist in me wish that some games never reach mainstream audiences as it tarnshes it and makes me resent the game itself for even having online.
Waaahmbulance Moment incoming.... Now i know i sound like a moaning bitch but seriously, the amount of people who complain about kilik players is proof enough that the character is just pure shenannigans. Hes designed to have easy to execute moves with stopping power and range both vertically and horizontally which can flow seamlessly on and on. I hate how developers feel they need to include characters for noobs in order to be classed as accessible, what ever happened to ya know... learning to play. Dont get me wrong, im really not having a go at newcomers who button mash (if you wanna pay £40/$60 to mash buttons like a retard then by all means..), but rather people who knowingly exploit cheap moves with characters designed for newcomers just for the sake of getting their stats up, which by the way is futile in the end as you really need to have no life to be anywhere near the top of the leaderboards. If you actually ever want to have fun online in SCIV just play unranked and let the kiliks kill themselves off until their all extinct.
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Using the same couple of moves over and over again isn't cheap, it's incredibly stupid.
I agree that this is a problem with ranked fighters online. All the more reason in person multi is the way to be - so you can call your friends out and berate them.
Um, when did i say im unable to beat kilik players who spam the the same moves?. The point of my post is why do people choose to play like that and why should i have to face such people when namco bandai could just balance the characters fairly. Sure i can be equally as cheap but then whats the point in playing the game in the first place.
Just to reiterate im not talking about a clueless button masher who i can pwn with ease, but rather people who exploit a handfull of low risk cheap moves meaning im no longer having fun but instead just trying to predict when to gaurd impact over and over.
I wish that i could play with my buddies on the sofa like with SCII in my School days(sigh).But now we have all grown up and have jobs and needy girlfreinds so online is the main way to get any player vs player action :(
@buster
in a dark alley.......
@adultswim 810
preach my brother preach !!
@dephect
........ ;)
umm...no .Why should i have to?, for me its not about how to beat them, its the fact that i dont want to play in that way because i feel its not in the spirit of the game. Which is why im playing unranked because i can have some really intersting matches rather than a pokefest.
But like everyone else said, you can learn to stop them.
Thanks for your input and i appreciate your advice but i do think you really missed the point of this post. Im not complaining that i cant beat kilik, cos once i get in to it a little more im sure ill beat more kiliks with greater ease, infact i started battling kilik on the highest dificulty in training to get re-acustomed with his movelist. Im just commenting on a vast majority of players attitudes to competitive online gaming and how different the experience of an unranked match is .Plus im saying how i disagree with companies putting unbalanced characters in their games to appeal to newcomers, when a beat em up should be purely skill based.
And also, I hate to bring this up because it's very nitpicky and pretty much a non-issue, but "beat em up" does not mean "fighting game." It bugs me when people misuse it. Again sorry, but I had to. Don't mind me :)
cervantes eh?..noted, but right now im getting in to hilde ,seeing as though my best character in SC2 IVY was completely nerfed to shit.
@trailerparkjesus (cool name)
lol oops, well maybe its just a UK thing but we have always referred to a fighting game as a "beat em up" and a streets of rage type game as a "side scrolling beat em up"..**shrugs**.
@shupershawn
EXACTLY !!. Thank you for putting it so simply, your probably the only one who actually read the post. +1
@yashoki. Thats the point, im just using SC4 as its my most recent game.Rankings has turned people in to stat fags.well except in VF5, try any of that shit and you will go down so hard.
@Danmartigan
call him faggy Mc noob noob/hi5
@smackifilia
yea its true siegfried is an absoloute beast but i think kilik just has the overall game long range, short range, speed, power, easy combos, mid/low/high just by mashing A and B. As for siegfried i kind of find him to be everyones second character. like when i start to build a streak against someone they will just abandon their main and bring out siegfried....pity i can use him too :p
Kilik's biggest weakness is that most of his good stuff is incredibly linear vertical attacks, and that most of his attacks lag like crazy. Sidestepping fucks him over, and especially fucks over spammers because they don't know to stop attacking when they miss, because he still has to go through his attack and recovery animation while you can walk up and throw him.
That said, the fucktards who are using him simply because they don't want to learn how to play are retarded and need to go crawl in a hole and die.
You are complaining about your own inability to beat someone, that's pretty sad. Also Danmartigan is right. Kilik has been in this game since SC1. That's plenty of time to know what to expect.
Also two words: Guard Impact
"Kilik isn't unbalanced, he's just easy to use"
His ease of use is the reason hes unbalanced imho. Hes just way to overpowering and has to much of a complete game for a begginer tier character. The least they should of done is lower his attack power (they need to do that with eddie gordo also).His <- B can knock off at least 30 percent health and thats just for a quick opening move.
"Kilik's biggest weakness is that most of his good stuff is incredibly linear vertical attacks, and that most of his attacks lag like crazy. Sidestepping fucks him over"
When i faced that 4th kilik that was my tactic, i just kept sidestepping him and rushing in for the grab followed by a parry when he did a rising attack.
when did i once complain about my inability to beat kilik?. seriously actually READ the page before posting you will be enlightened.
Im talking about players on unranked in comparison to ranked. Since i first posted this blog ive beaten a further 4 more kiliks, the point is its BORING!!. Unless SC 1-3 had online unranked and ranked matchmaking my comments about kilik players online in ranked matches is totally relevant now so gtfo.
PS: dantmartigan fails for comparing kilik to ryu and ken.
Thank you so much for actually reading my blog before commenting
"Shit, I hate when people do stuff like that. It's like, why do they even play? I don't get it."
Thats basically the jist of it. +1
I'm not sure how to take that other than you lost 3 times in a row.....
sigh... you still dont get it do you?, its not about how many times i lost or won a match, its about the way people play on ranked compared to unranked. Yes i lost to the first 3 kiliks then won the fourth time and since then ive beaten 4 more kiliks so my ability and win/loss ratio have nothing to do with this post.Im purely commenting on the two different experiences and what happened.
I understand that you think ranking and leaderboards ruin an online fighting game, but I don't understand the whole "Kilik is cheap" thing.
This game is FAR more balanced than Tekken 5 DR on the PS3 and likening Kilik to Eddie Gordo is just plain silly. Eddie Gordo is the biggest piece of shit in fighting game history and that is evident to everyone.
Kilik is a very balanced character in a very balanced game. If you are losing to "cheap" tactics, it is your fault. That is what I'm trying to say.
You are like a child who makes up their own rules right in the middle of of a game because it's not going their way. "No tag-backs Kilik! That's not fair!" Boo hoo. It's no worse than all of the tards running around using the hammer in Halo 3, there are ways around it.
Anyway, I'm glad you're not playing Ranked Matches, I'd hate to run into you and get negative feedback on my Gamertag for "abusing exploits" when I win.
If you have 3 alternating moves that you randomly throw out over and over, its not that easy to just know what will happen next, and yet again i never stated i had a problem with dealing with it.just commenting on how the first few fights went down.
You know your smoking some green stuff when you say kilik is balanced. Kilik is not one of the most regularly seen players in ranked because he has nice hair or through some random coincidence. Hes chosen because his moves set makes him the most effective to grind out wins with minimal effort in learning the character.
When i was at the battle for destiny tekken/streetfighter tournament in london last month , there was a soul calibur 4 booth set up (as well as sf4) and the consensus from most of the tournament players was kilik and maxi are cheap garbage yet again. hell in past tournaments ive been totournaments where people have actually been kicked out for using him in that manner. Trying to defend kilik as on equal ground with everyone else is just stupid.everyone knows hes cheap.
Tekken is FAR more balanced than SC4, SC4 was practically made to appeal to newcomers thats why we have FFF breasts and star wars characters in it, again lay of the drugs.
I have no problem with taking a loss, if its a good fight then bring it on. When im just sidestepping pokes to my face and feet over and over its just lame.So i choose not to play ranked. simple
Well no worries about negative feedback as you would actually have to beat me for that to happen... and judging by your defense of kilik and the fact your playing on 360 im guessing
hes your main guy right.
Ok, so eventually I did get good with a few characters that he had a lot of trouble with. Talim was quick enough to close in, and was able to rapidly spin out of the way of his attacks and tear him up. Nightmare was another favorite. His huge sword leveled the playing field and did massive damage. There was also Link, but I didn't always have as much success with him as with the other characters. His trip attack and downward jumping slash were nice, though.
So, sure, you can adapt to a cheap character and beat the tar out of him after a while. But that requires a whole extra step that the cheap character doesn't always require. And if you really think that cheap characters in a game aren't a problem, then try to think of the cheapest boss character you've ever seen in a game. Maybe that ridiculous naked energy woman from DOA3, or something. What if that character was playable, and using that boss's uber moves was just a matter of a few uncomplicated button presses? What if you tried to beat players using this boss using only "ordinary" characters, only to get beaten over and over? How would you feel if I told you, "LAWL lernz the secret magik trick to countoring them!" Comments like that reek of snobbery.
It shouldn't take a special trick to beat a certain character. All the combatants should have strengths and weaknesses, and not have multiple advantages that elevate them over most fighters. And let's be honest, Kilik is NOT balanced. He's fast, does lots of damage (with a STICK), and has insane range. The fact that so many ranked players, whose focus is on winning, are using him frequently should be a hint that maybe, just maybe, something is wrong here.
Black Smoke isn't whining about Kilik-overload. He's stating a fact, based on personal experience. But then again, if there's one thing I've learned, some people can't deal with facts.
Oh and ryu compared to kilik is still fail.
Your obviously someone who really understands the intricacies of fighting games. All you have said is exactly what im getting at, but i guess people get defensive. Its easy to just tell me shit like "so just dodge it, or two words gaurd impact", but if you actually know anything about tactics its not as simple as black and white.
I could pick jinpachi in tekken 5 and rape someone in about 4 seconds. But i know thats just bad sportsmanship. I can do this with kilik also, but again whats the point of playing the game.Its like buying gta4 then downloading an 100 percent complete game save file as soon as you get home, yea technically you have it all unlocked but you didnt even bother to explore it for yourself.
I wish rankings were based on skill as opposed to how long you play, then people will be forced to learn to play.
The only reason someone would say kilik is balanced is cos kilik makes their sub par skill transfer in to something they think is equal with a skilled player.
Why the fuck should i have to play against people like this when i can just play unranked and have fun ? Thats all my point ever was.
Anyways good game.
Also, I think you just need to think about what you're saying here... you don't like losing to "button mashers", it even says so in your profile ---->
I just think that if you're losing to "button mashers", you're doing something wrong. There is ALWAYS a way to win.
everyone who plays a fighting game REALLY needs to read that article.
You are complaining about people, who aren't that good apparently, beating you with a stock character that has been in the lineup since SC1. Who cares how they use him? That's irrelevant, the moves are there to use. If you can't figure out how to beat someone who's using him, that doesn't mean that it is a fault of the game. You catch my drift?
"you dont like losing to"buttonmashers"
Thanks again for the latest made up quote. It actually says in regards to adding me on PSN for SC4 "if your a button masher dont bother", meaning if your a noob than no thanks im not interested go play with someone else.
And how does tekken 5 dr being online change the balance from tekken 5 dr offline. Ive played the living shit out of T5DRO, and if it was not for the shitty lag i would still be playing that over this leveled for noobs edition of SC4.
@ falldraco.
How about the spammers learn to play. Then maybe the decent players might give a fuck...
Wow, that was perfect.
If i can kick your ass in 4 seconds just by spamming with kilik and do the same with jinpachi, how are they any different? its like adnmitting a potential boss character is thrown in to the mix of regular fighters, but its ok cos hes not over 7ft.
Just admit you bought SC4 for the tities and achievements. Theres no point trying to justify a character that even tournament level players disregard.
I only got through 3 matches before quitting.
@smurfee mcgee
dont join any room with less than 4 bars. Its a pain in the ass but preferably make sure you try and play with people in your own country at peak times. Remember its p2p so my advice is to host rather than search ive been hosting all day and had someone join within 30 secs everytime. Should be the same for you too...oh and of course play unranked so you can actually try stuff out and have fun.
Anybody who picks Nightmare or Kilik..I leave the game immediately
Sure it affects my level but I'm not getting any unfair losses.
I dont think nightmare is too much trouble, if anything i think he was gimped in favour of siegfried this time around, but yeah those horizontal slices to the feet can be such a pain. As for kilik well.. i think you know my stance on that.
I really think it would be cool if they put a picture of the players most used character (like in tekken 5 DRO) on their stat card so you know there and then at the match up screen who they are most likely to pick.oh well we can dream.
anyway im off to bed .peace.