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I'm Destructoid's AP Style Manager, Even If I'm Not Official
The AP Stylist | 9:52 AM on 03.21.2010 51 comments


As any literary establishment should recognize, the importance of a copy-editor (someone who maintains AP Style in posts), is integral to its success. Every time a fact is incorrect, a name is misspelled or grammar is incorrectly used, the merit of the establishment wanes. I'm here to fix that.

I am, in no way, professionally associated with Destructoid, but, because I'm a nice dude, I offer my copy-editing skills at no charge. Because really, it's too important not to do.

Look for my AP Style assessments in the comment sections of everything every editor writes.

I'll perform every duty an effective copy-editor should. I'll fact-check, reorganize sentences so as to improve their overall fluency and I'll examine grammar for proper use.

Now, hopefully the post author sees my corrections in a timely fashion and updates the entry, but if not, what can I do?

Journalism, whether it be at the New York Times or Destructoid, is rooted in words. Writing is all about clarity, directness and fluency. I appreciate the editorial staff at Destructoid's ability to form eloquent, smooth sentences. But, like any publication, mistakes are made. And I'm here to correct them.

Whether or not you agree with the decisions I make, or that my job exists at all, I will remain diligent in my assault on improper language. You might say "yeah, well, we knew what he was going for," but I won't stand for it.

"Too" does not equal "to" and "their" is not the same as "they're."


AP Style FTW!



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blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 10:31
blehman
trolololololololololol
Kilgore E's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 10:39
Kilgore E
MLA>AP
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 10:45
Andrew Kauz
Tiger Style > AP Style
Zen Albatross's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:09
Zen Albatross
I support this endeavor.

See also: http://twitter.com/fakeapstylebook
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:13
Elsa
So are you actually hired by the AP Stylebook publishers to harass people and force them to buy the iPhone app or an online subscription to the actual style guide?

Interesting marketing tactics if that is the case.
... but you fail to realize we care more about communication and personal style here... and less about JOURNALISM.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:25
Los255
LOLWUT
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:29
The AP Stylist
Sorry folks, proper grammar is always imperative. I will enforce it to the world's end.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:39
MrSadistic
DESTRUCTOID IS TOO HARDCORE FOR GRAMMARZ!!!
Count Grishnack's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:43
Count Grishnack
Have you met Samit?
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:46
The AP Stylist
@ Count Grishnack I have not. Does he monitor AP Style as well?
Enkido's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:47
Enkido
Damn, I'll try again, this must be posted.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:58
Xzyliac
This can't end well at all.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 11:59
bluexy
As long as I don't have to put on any pants.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 12:37
Daxelman
The AP Writing style only works with highly argumentative essay's.

It makes everything else batshit boring. Trust me, I have to do this type of writing EVERY DAY I GO TO SCHOOL.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 12:46
Kraid
@Kauza : /High Five!
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 12:52
The AP Stylist
@ Daxelman No. AP Style is used in every major newspaper and other journalistic publication. Not used in essays.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:03
Daxelman
I said ONLY WORKS WITH, not only used with. My comment was only 2 sentences, man.

And explain the AP Synthesis Essay every pre-AP/AP kid in highschool (in Texas, at least) must pay 20-30 bucks to take.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:04
The Silent Protagonist
You do know that this is a site based around entertainment features, yes?

AP Style doesn't really apply there, there is room to inject opinion into gaming news and blogging. Blogging isn't about the inverted pyramid approach or brevity, which the AP style is.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:11
Jonathan Holmes
If you're really in it for the glory of grammar and the good of the site, then you (and any of our readers) can PM us any and all typo-alerts that you find threatening. If you're just doing this to make yourself look smart in front of our highly grammar-hunger readers, then I bet you'll ignore the option to send a PM, and continue to make your corrections in the comments.

It will be interesting to see which you choose.

Also, do you like videogames?

I do.
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:13
The AP Stylist
I acknowledge Destructoid is an entertainment site. It has opinion, Internet phrases and other oddities. That said, grammar, fact checking and improving overall fluency remain important issues to tackle.
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:17
The AP Stylist
I adore video games. I hold an editorial position at two Web sites. I'm traveling to Boston next week for PAX and I own every console and portable on the market (except the PSPgo). Also, I am a copy-editor for a newspaper with a circulation of 10,000.
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:23
The AP Stylist
I am in no way attempting to look smart for Destructoid's readers. However, there is a certain level of inherent smugness attached to the position of copy-editor. I have found this in my newspaper work and I am already seeing it here. It's rare someone enjoys being told they spelled this wrong, missed that comma, or attributed some quote incorrectly. But that does not atone for the sin itself. I am merely that guy who finds the errors, fixes them and makes the publication more believable, readable and enjoyable.
Brad Nicholson's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:26
Brad Nicholson
Don't you just hate the way "However" hangs at the beginning of a sentence, The AP Stylist?
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:32
Daxelman
Brad Nicholson doesn't get enough Muscle Milk to write "AP Style".
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:34
Jonathan Holmes
@ The AP Stylist- Well, in that case, I expect that you will be be sending all your AP-style suggestions to the editors of Destructoid via email or PM, as opposed to dropping them in the comments of the posts you find them in.

It's one thing to take me aside and tell me that I have a booger in my nose, and it's another to stand on top of a table and in the middle of the cafeteria (in this case, a cafeteria filled with thousands of people) and yell "Hey everybody! Holmes has a booger in his nose! It's big and green! Check it out quick, before you picks it!", then claim that you're doing me so sort of favor.

One is a genuine attempt to help a friend, the other is a passive aggressive attack.

Again, it will be interesting to see which you choose. It will also be interesting to see how the other editors respond to your suggestions, especially Samit.
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:35
Joseph Leray
"So, as any literary establishment should recognize, the importance of a copy-editor (someone who maintains AP Style in posts), is integral to its success."

On a purely technical level, there shouldn't be a comma after you close your parenthesis: "is integral to its success" isn't an independent clause. There shouldn't be a hyphen connecting copy and editor, either.

Stylistically, your opening sentence is a disaster. I would've written it like this: "All literary establishments should recognize the importance of a copy editor: he is integral to the publication's success." I use less words with less appositives muddying your syntax.

Not to mention that maintaining AP style isn't what a copy editor does. A copy editor maintains whichever style the publication chooses to maintain, including style decisions made by the editor in chief -- which may not subscribe to any established style at all.

Cool mohawk, bro.
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:39
The AP Stylist
All, I fret we're missing the point here. The English language is a tough one. Its intricacies are numerous and the fact it evolves makes it a dynamic beast. I simply aim to keep the journalistic integrity of this site as high as humanly possible.
Joseph Leray's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:40
Joseph Leray
And and AND -- you shouldn't be starting sentences with conjunctions.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:44
Tubatic
Yes, The AP Stylist: Destructoid does needs a more qualitier brand of trollin'....
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:44
The AP Stylist
@Joseph Leray Assessment acknowledged. I was wrong to assume Destructoid adhered to styles I'm familiar with.
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 13:47
The AP Stylist
Destructoid writers are very conversational in their writing styles and I love this. My blog entry was an attempt to mirror, to an extent, that conversational style.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:18
CelicaCrazed
Leray just done brought the hurt.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:20
Occams electric toothbrush
Well then, good luck with all that:

Guncannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:41
Guncannon
I really don't think it's necessary to do this. There's a reason why the forums got rid of the Grammar Nazi badge: it encourages nitpicking and one-upmanship, and allows people the chance to avoid discussion by simply criticizing their writing. Of course, there are many people in the cblogs whose writing skills are definitely weak, and it is reasonable to offer general advice on how to improve their writing. However, I believe that the Destructoid editors are not those types of people.

The regular thing that happens here is this:
-An editor posts an article with a glaring spelling error that either creates confusion (e.g., "Final Fantasy III" instead of "Final Fantasy XIII") or humour (e.g., "Heavy Ran")).
-Someone points out the error in the comments.
-The article is corrected and updated.
-Everyone moves on.

What we don't do is try to criticize their overall writing, or do the equivalent of "this is how I would write this". Marking undergraduate essays myself, I have to take great steps to avoid falling into the latter fallacy. We have to accept that a core concept of news blogging is getting breaking news up as soon as possible, and there isn't always enough time to make the article "perfect". After the article is out, the task of the editor (providing information) is complete, and they move on to writing about the next piece of news, rather than continually tweaking and improving their older posts. We also accept that different people have different writing styles, and that this variety is one of the benefits of reading a site like Destructoid. Destructoid isn't like a newspaper, where the author's "voice" is all but invisible. We want to see each editor's uniqueness. Whether we agree with them or not is another thing altogether, but usually complaints should be about content, not style.

So, in conclusion, you can go ahead and send PM's to the editors with your complaints, and stick around in the cblogs and provide constructive (and not condescending) criticism on community members' posts. But writing full blog posts as an "unofficial copy-editor" is unneeded. How about writing about video games instead? That's why we're here, aren't we?

(Note: I know my writing isn't perfect. My sentences are too long, and I overuse parentheses, among other things. However, that's just how I write, damnit!)
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:43
ace of knaves
Well this will be fun.
Sentry's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:46
Sentry
Ironically enough, I used to notice far many more grammatical and spelling errors over at Brian Crecente's Hair Palace than I ever have here. Perhaps it's the shift in tone, or perhaps it's just honest-to-goodness frequency, but whatever the case..

Wait.

Nope. Didn't have a point.
JT Murphy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 14:57
JT Murphy
So, how does this make you different than everyone else on the internet?
The AP Stylist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 15:04
The AP Stylist
Everyone, thanks so much for the input. All points have been duly considered and in all likelihood I'll rethink before moving forward. And you're right, Kotaku is messy.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 15:55
Chris Carter
I was just going to pop in and say don't start a sentence with And, but Joseph beat me to it.
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 17:38
norm9
You remind me of someone else that used to be on this site. Something about the underlying air of douche contained between the words you write.

If you are new and definately not one of the old trolls, my apologies.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 19:25
Mike Moran
I wish I had a free copy editor. Lucky assholes getting people that work for them at no expense.

The D-boys gets all dem biatches.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 20:31
wanderingpixel
What about when we use bad grammar on purpose? Such as: I NEEDS THIS!
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/22/2010 01:01
smurfee mcgee
wut teh fcuk
Om Nom On Souls's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/22/2010 02:49
Om Nom On Souls
cp style > ap style
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/22/2010 15:29
RonBurgandy2010
...........Is this guy serious?.........
Vedicardi2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 13:15
Vedicardi2
I'm glad to have you hear AP stylist. You are truly insightful REVOLUTIONARY.
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