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Visual Novels...oh man. [NSFW]
TewDee | 7:37 PM on 05.18.2009 20 comments


Visual novels. They hold some infamy among internet culture. Not really games, more computer novel. The vast majority of them come from the Japanese market and very few have gained notice outside of Japan, and even less have gotten attention off the fact that there is, more often then not, a lot of sexual situations in them. Copulation! How scandalous. While some games like the Phoenix Wright series, Hotel Dusk, and Trace Memory are all great examples of enjoyable, funny, and genuinely interesting, these are the exceptions I'm talking about. This is a big assumption from someone pretty ignorant on the subject, but a vast majority of visual novels shown around tend to not be more then a lot of blatant smut.

I have, however, plated through one. Melty Blood is a fighting game series spun off from Tsukihime. I played Tsukihime because I had genuine interest in where the characters were from. The story was cool and I got a good novel out it, something that I felt the adult content only impeded. I enjoyed it as a novel, which made me thing at the time that there were some of these that really tried to tell a good story, but this was years ago and I didn't consider it since.

There is a forum I go to on a regular basis that...isn't exactly the height of intelligent conversation. I've been on it for five years tho and it's hard to leave when so many things get talked about. About four weeks ago in the video game section, someone brought up a visual novel they played called Yume Miru Kusuri. The thread bombed pretty hard. Check it here (NSFW). The first response sealed it's fate pretty well. For a few pages it became a breeding ground for trolls. Then a few people who decided to play the game came out and started to talk about it in a positive light, saying that it was pretty good storytelling and, like I said about Tsukihime, the adult content tended to detract from it. I don't know this, I didn't play it. While I did argue for the idea that it could be a good story (I'm "Banned?" in that thread), I also really did not want the trolls and flamers to win that conversation.

This is not what I'm talking about...

So...could visual novels actually be an output for great story? Sure. I enjoyed Tsukihime as a novel. People claimed that Yume Miru Kusuri was good. Fate/Stay Night was a visual novel that got turned into an anime, so it had to do something right. I remember a few of my friends showing genuine interest in finding out more about Fate/Stay Night. And when I ask that question, it's more in concern with visual novels that have adult content and scenes.

This is not what I'm talking about!

And then, two days ago, someone posted about another (NSFW) visual novel. Called Katawa Shoujo, the origination of this was from 4chan. I can hear you sighing from here. Because that seemed like such a selling point for the OP, the thread quickly deteriorated into nothing but "Hey, we can have sex right?" over and over and over. It didn't get the same defense as Yume Miru Kusuri. Dispite all this, I checked out it's website (SFW). I don't know why. I'll blame 2 A.M. curiosity. While I didn't go in with high expectations (this is 4chan after all), I was pretty taken aback at how well the people who were working on this presented themselves. It dosen't look like an amateur production in the least. Reading the history of development until now, it's amazing it even got off the ground and is what it is today. (I recommend reading that.)

The game is about a high schooler named Hisao Nakai who suffers from a chronic heart condition (one that I had myself in a much more minor form). He didn't know about it and has a heart attack one day, putting him in the hospital for four months. Because of his condition, his parents deem it necessary that he switch school to one more suited to his needs, one that specializes in kids in school with disabilities. When he gets out of the hospital and changes environments, he deals with some serious culture shock.

So, they have demo out which contains Act 1 of Katawa Shoujo. It's acceptable content, nothing anyone here can't take, SFW and the like. I downloaded and installed it and played for three hours. I can't remember the last time I sat down and read a book for three hours. I can't say that the writing was totally gripping and had me by the balls, but it was interesting enough and most of all, I was still amazed that this as an amateur team doing something like this. While I only have one experience to go off of in terms of what is professional and what isn't in the VN world, I was impressed. The art and writing were great and I didn't see any real flaws in what was going on. It was really good, and the complete opposite of everything you'd come to expect from a VN if you've been on the internet long enough.

This is what I'm talking about.

So...

Could visual novels actually be an output for great story?


Sure.

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I would have totally posted this on Japanator is it had a blog section, as it really has little to do with video games, but I assume we can still get some kind of interesting conversation out of it.


EDIT: Hidden and reposted because I actually started writing it four hours ago and that bumped it down as soon as it was made viewable.



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's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 19:57
Clint
Yeah, I'm a big fan of the not quite as *ahem* exciting ones you mention at the beginning (there like books for people with ADD) and hope that there financial successes bring more over to our shores.

Also, tired Katawa Shoujo and thoroughly enjoyed it. Very sweet and made me D'aww a couple times :3
ArcticFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 20:29
ArcticFox
The correct choice is always Option C: Stick it In

I love Excel Saga
Volkarin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 20:29
Volkarin
I've tried some visual novels while not all tout great storylines they at least keep you entertained. While some of these achieve this through sex and others with grander exposition all in all visual novels could definitely bring in a great story.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 20:31
manasteel88
Visual Novel's are different than Eroge. Here are some Visual Novels. These games have good story without all the fapping.

Of course I tend to like the eroge a bit more since you should be rewarded with sex scenes after reading alot.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 20:35
manasteel88
also I've gotta say I have liked what Mistwalker has done in adding some novels inside of their games. Blue Dragon had the books scattered all over the world and Lost Odyssey had the memories. Lost Odyssey's was well done and Blue Dragon's added some character to a character-less game.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 20:58
king3vbo
Don't be hating on Yume Miru Kusuri. Fucking amazing game.
RiotMonster's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 21:09
RiotMonster
Excellent.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 21:15
TewDee
@King - Oh, I wasn't hating on. I was using it as an example of "Well, maybe there is something there."
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 21:18
Y0j1mb0
Awesome.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 22:29
DF
Dude! You play Melty Blood?! I love you already. <3

I actually played through half of Tsukihime's nine endings after it had been translated, and I honestly can't remember if that was before or after MB got transed too. I had watched the anime (that doesn't exist) so I had an understanding, though it was great to delve down the other storylines to see how they all played out.

I fast-forwarded through the sex scenes. I'm not a fan of hentai, and would you really want to explain yourself to your parents if they saw this? I recently reinstalled the game with the SFW patch, though I'm now playing some of FSN with an unofficial patch of the same kind in play, though I'm nowhere near seeing if it's working or not. But I'm really enjoying it because it's funny due to Fuji-Nee alone. Or maybe it's just me, but hey.

Who do you main in Melty Blood, TewDee? I'm not that great, though I used to play all the time. I was good with regular Akiha in Re-ACT, but Act Cadenza has me switching between her and her inverted form. =P
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 22:39
TewDee
@Doomsday - I used to play Melty Blood. Combos got too long and tedious for me to try to remember, and when I moved to Colorado I lost all the people I played with. I used to main regular Shiki and Aoko.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 22:54
shipero
Three Sisters' Story had a big impact of early teen years, perhaps more of an impact than it really should have.

Man, growing up with the internet was great. By "great" I of course mean fun, rather than it being good for me in any significant way.
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 23:31
braulio09
dude...wtf hentai game with handicapped people. :S
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2009 23:55
TewDee
@Braulio - *breaks his desk in half with his head*'

I can get into the SAME argument I did with Yume Miru Kusuri in that thread I linked and come out on top if you would so fucking like to do, thanks. This is not a hentai game. This is a hentai game.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/19/2009 08:34
Chris Carter
I won't knock you for liking hentai, but if there's sex-talk, any nudity, or provocative language from females, it's "soft-core" hentai. Just like a romance novel with sex-scenes would be "soft-core porn". Of course I haven't read these novels so I would have no idea, but the screenshots are most certainly indicating this.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/19/2009 09:34
DF
@braulio09, and Mag somewhat: So by extension, the movie version of Watchmen is porn because of the rather graphic rape scene? Sure, it doesn't happen on screen in detail, but the sex is just not the focus of the entire plot as, say, your typical post-midnight showing on Cinemax or the like.

Games like Tsukihime or Fate don't count as "hentai" games to me because as I said, the sex isn't the primary focus of the game. Sure, there are some scenes, but there are also plenty of other games more deserving of that title where you're trying to bag as many women as possible or whatnot. Besides, if someone has sex in real life, are they automatically labeled as a pimp/whore? Okay, I realize that isn't the best example, but throw me a bone here.

I know that they're called visual novels, but there's that underlying connotation that just bothers me. That or outright mislabeling as a hentai game. I'm with TewDee on this.

@TewDee: Man, you actually had people to play with? You suck. :( I've only done poor netplay with MBR, though that wasn't really great and there are the whole issues with it running and all. I didn't really learn combos as I just fought the PC, but I just did what worked, honestly. I had better luck with it than most 2D fighters.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/19/2009 09:43
Chris Carter
You answered my question!
"sex isn't the primary focus of the game".

That ends that argument/convo :-D
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/19/2009 10:56
DF
@Mag: ...wow, uh, that was easy. XD *cheers*
Mary Firefighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/13/2011 08:24
Mary Firefighter
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