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I too agree. I know of people that get into clan gaming and they usually only play one game so that they are really good at it. They play SOCOM/Halo whatever like it's a job. They practice, they compete, their socialization is often with clan members talking about the game - to me they're "hardcore" - same as your Mom.
I think that expertise or passion for gaming in general or a specific game can make someone "hardcore" whereas "casual" is more of an attitude. Even if you play FF games for 5 hours a day, if you do it with a lack of passion for the game (maybe playing the online version because your friends do) or if you regard the past-time as "casual" - then it is.
Meh... the lines are pretty blurry nowadays. It's rather like being a "hardcore or casual" TV viewer!
I think that expertise or passion for gaming in general or a specific game can make someone "hardcore" whereas "casual" is more of an attitude. Even if you play FF games for 5 hours a day, if you do it with a lack of passion for the game (maybe playing the online version because your friends do) or if you regard the past-time as "casual" - then it is.
Meh... the lines are pretty blurry nowadays. It's rather like being a "hardcore or casual" TV viewer!
Well said! I think Pokemon is a good example of what you're talking about. You can go all casual and roll with a team of Pikachus or go so far over to the hardcore side that you are drawing up elaborate punnett squares for your breeding program.
Wii Sports is my "casual-turned-hardcore" game. Nothing like trash-talking the computer as I beat them into retirement while further cementing my pro status. Actually I find that those games that straddle the casual-hardcore line tend to be some of the most fun.
Wii Sports is my "casual-turned-hardcore" game. Nothing like trash-talking the computer as I beat them into retirement while further cementing my pro status. Actually I find that those games that straddle the casual-hardcore line tend to be some of the most fun.
@AlphaDeus - I dunno if FF XI is a good example or a bad one. I've played it and I know what you mean. That game is fucking hardcore. There are always exceptions to the rule. FF XI is a hell of an exception.
@AlphaDeus - I think what I said kinda solves what you're last three paragraphs are about tho. You don't label the game, you label how the game is played by individual players. It's not about saying how one person approaches every game, because if you chunks stuff like that, you just get too general.
@ParaParaKing - Eh, they were used by gamers long before they were marketing.
@Y0j1mb0 - Damn right soon. Need to make it's moneys worth.
@ParaParaKing - Eh, they were used by gamers long before they were marketing.
@Y0j1mb0 - Damn right soon. Need to make it's moneys worth.
@Occams electric toothbrush - In the context of what I'm talking about, "casually hardcore" doesn't exist. I used to play Heroes of Newerth a lot and I played it hardcore. I fucking strived to be the best along with my team of friends. We don't play anymore, but I'll go back once every two weeks and get into mental attitude again. I want to play like the best. I'll look up strats, character builds, etc. I'm hardcore about that game even tho I don't play it often anymore which, outside of what I'm talking about above, could be considered "casual". But I'm not.
And this is more evidence that the whole casual/hardcore debate is stupid and flawed. It just...doesn't matter.
I'd have to agree with ParaParaKing, they are merely used as a way of determining what demographic a game should/could be aimed at. Without definition there is no way of segmenting the audience making it difficult to appeal directly to the consumers they want. Unfortunately until a better system is discovered these vague terms will have to do, categorisation is so difficult its unreal.
Is Shrodinger's Cat hardcore or casual?
The Copenhagen interpretation of game mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously hardcore and casual. But when the cat is observed we find it is only hardcore or casual, not both.
The Copenhagen interpretation of game mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously hardcore and casual. But when the cat is observed we find it is only hardcore or casual, not both.
Hardcore is a curious one, even if we ignore its connection with the porn industry. A couple of definitions:
1.the permanent, dedicated, and completely faithful nucleus of a group or movement, as of a political party.
2.an unyielding or intransigent element in a social or organizational structure, as that part of a group consisting of longtime adherents or those resistant to change.
Those seem to apply broadly to the "hardcore" as "we" have come to be known. Curiously I cannot recall when the word first entered our vernacular, were there "hardcore" gamers back in 1990, did the media or marketing just appropriate the term recently?
But then:
unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated.
Which really applies to anyone doing anything, in your example your Mother playing Zoo World.
There is probably no answer to this riddle. Different people will have different understandings of the word and realistically there is jack shit that anyone can do about that.
As for "casual games" and "casual gamers" - well let us say that I prefer the definitions you have chosen to eschew - and that "casual gamers" and their "games" can all fuck off.
1.the permanent, dedicated, and completely faithful nucleus of a group or movement, as of a political party.
2.an unyielding or intransigent element in a social or organizational structure, as that part of a group consisting of longtime adherents or those resistant to change.
Those seem to apply broadly to the "hardcore" as "we" have come to be known. Curiously I cannot recall when the word first entered our vernacular, were there "hardcore" gamers back in 1990, did the media or marketing just appropriate the term recently?
But then:
unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated.
Which really applies to anyone doing anything, in your example your Mother playing Zoo World.
There is probably no answer to this riddle. Different people will have different understandings of the word and realistically there is jack shit that anyone can do about that.
As for "casual games" and "casual gamers" - well let us say that I prefer the definitions you have chosen to eschew - and that "casual gamers" and their "games" can all fuck off.
