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Defining "hardcore" games, defining "casual" games
TewDee | 1:01 PM on 03.19.2010 20 comments


I am about to solve one of the great mysteries of life for you. One of those unsolvable questions of gamer life has just been given an answer and I am going to let you guys and girls in on it. Ready?

What defines a game as hardcore? What defines a game as casual?

Nothing. It's the player you define as hardcore or casual and how far they are willing to take the game.

Take this for example. My mom fucking loves Zoo World on Facebook. If she isn't working, she is playing Zoo World. She is hardcore about this game. He has three different browsers open, she has spreadsheets going for what kind of animals to breed, she works with people on Facebook to find exploits to get unlimited animals, she has Firefox open with 20 tabs refreshing over and over to multiply her zoo worth. It's insane. I hate it. It lags the whole house internet and I can't play Bad Company 2. She is hardcore about that game.

I play Halo 3 occasionally. I have all the map packs, but I still only boot it up once every few weeks. My rank is always reset back to 1 when I play. It's an easy game for me to just jump into and shoot the shit (literally) and have fun. I don't have a problem with this. Halo 3 isn't a game I plan to play for hour and hour and hour. It's just a game I bought because it was the multiplayer game to own for 360. I am really casual about playing Halo 3.


You can't really define a game as "casual" or "hardcore". Anyone can play any game. It's just how much a person is willing to take said game. SHMUP's can be played by anyone. The hardcore players will be finishing it in one credit without dieing. Anyone can play Demon's Souls, but if you're me then you can run through the game blindfolded knowing all the exploits and tricks. Sure, people will sit around on Facebook and play Farmville or Zoo World just to occupy time, but it's a person like my mom who take it to the next level. It's not about the game, it's about the player.

And personally, I think it always should have been thought like that.



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pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 13:19
pedrovay2003
I agree. It's just too bad that I'm probably going to be in the minority in saying that.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 13:55
Elsa
I too agree. I know of people that get into clan gaming and they usually only play one game so that they are really good at it. They play SOCOM/Halo whatever like it's a job. They practice, they compete, their socialization is often with clan members talking about the game - to me they're "hardcore" - same as your Mom.

I think that expertise or passion for gaming in general or a specific game can make someone "hardcore" whereas "casual" is more of an attitude. Even if you play FF games for 5 hours a day, if you do it with a lack of passion for the game (maybe playing the online version because your friends do) or if you regard the past-time as "casual" - then it is.

Meh... the lines are pretty blurry nowadays. It's rather like being a "hardcore or casual" TV viewer!
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:00
CelicaCrazed
Well said! I think Pokemon is a good example of what you're talking about. You can go all casual and roll with a team of Pikachus or go so far over to the hardcore side that you are drawing up elaborate punnett squares for your breeding program.

Wii Sports is my "casual-turned-hardcore" game. Nothing like trash-talking the computer as I beat them into retirement while further cementing my pro status. Actually I find that those games that straddle the casual-hardcore line tend to be some of the most fun.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:34
TewDee
@AlphaDeus - I dunno if FF XI is a good example or a bad one. I've played it and I know what you mean. That game is fucking hardcore. There are always exceptions to the rule. FF XI is a hell of an exception.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:39
ParaParaKing
Casual and hardcore are marketing terms. We should stop caring about those words.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:40
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Good blog.

RE5. You and I. Soon.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:48
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@AlphaDeus - I think what I said kinda solves what you're last three paragraphs are about tho. You don't label the game, you label how the game is played by individual players. It's not about saying how one person approaches every game, because if you chunks stuff like that, you just get too general.

@ParaParaKing - Eh, they were used by gamers long before they were marketing.

@Y0j1mb0 - Damn right soon. Need to make it's moneys worth.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 14:58
Occams electric toothbrush
Subjectivity reigns supreme.

Can I be casually hardcore?

Cause, much like Popeye, I am what I am.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 15:04
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@Occams electric toothbrush - In the context of what I'm talking about, "casually hardcore" doesn't exist. I used to play Heroes of Newerth a lot and I played it hardcore. I fucking strived to be the best along with my team of friends. We don't play anymore, but I'll go back once every two weeks and get into mental attitude again. I want to play like the best. I'll look up strats, character builds, etc. I'm hardcore about that game even tho I don't play it often anymore which, outside of what I'm talking about above, could be considered "casual". But I'm not.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 15:10
Occams electric toothbrush
@tewdee: that was really more me being silly than actually posing that question.
Pudge Controls the Weather's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 15:33
Pudge Controls the Weather
And this is more evidence that the whole casual/hardcore debate is stupid and flawed. It just...doesn't matter.
Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 15:48
Blue Odeyssey
I'd have to agree with ParaParaKing, they are merely used as a way of determining what demographic a game should/could be aimed at. Without definition there is no way of segmenting the audience making it difficult to appeal directly to the consumers they want. Unfortunately until a better system is discovered these vague terms will have to do, categorisation is so difficult its unreal.
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 18:38
mourning orange
Is Shrodinger's Cat hardcore or casual?

The Copenhagen interpretation of game mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously hardcore and casual. But when the cat is observed we find it is only hardcore or casual, not both.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2010 02:52
Dv8thwonder
Finally someone gets it.
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/21/2010 00:03
comradetrotskii
Hardcore is a curious one, even if we ignore its connection with the porn industry. A couple of definitions:

1.the permanent, dedicated, and completely faithful nucleus of a group or movement, as of a political party.
2.an unyielding or intransigent element in a social or organizational structure, as that part of a group consisting of longtime adherents or those resistant to change.

Those seem to apply broadly to the "hardcore" as "we" have come to be known. Curiously I cannot recall when the word first entered our vernacular, were there "hardcore" gamers back in 1990, did the media or marketing just appropriate the term recently?

But then:

unswervingly committed; uncompromising; dedicated.

Which really applies to anyone doing anything, in your example your Mother playing Zoo World.

There is probably no answer to this riddle. Different people will have different understandings of the word and realistically there is jack shit that anyone can do about that.

As for "casual games" and "casual gamers" - well let us say that I prefer the definitions you have chosen to eschew - and that "casual gamers" and their "games" can all fuck off.
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