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SurplusGamer | 6:49 AM on 04.06.2009 16 comments




It's been a little while since I've had a rant... so let's rant. I've finally gotten around to playing Persona 4 and I'm enjoying it thoroughly. As of now it has taken over my life. It isn't without its difficult and frustrating moments and that's okay. What's less okay, though, is what happens when I talk about this with other people.

The conversation tends to go something like this:

"Man, that boss just kicked my arse."
"Oh, he's not so bad, see what you gotta do is make sure you fuse X with Y and also always do it on Tuesday because that means you get Z and did you remember to by some A, B and C from the store?"
"Well, I didn't really--"
"Wait. Please tell me you've maxed out your social links with Q already..."
"Well, no, I--"
"Dude, you're playing it all wrong. It's like ten shitloads harder if you don't have P and Q equipped and you should definitely be blahblahblahblahblah."



This is the point when I stop listening (or offer a critical hit to the nads). I don't know what it is about Persona and maybe JRPGs in general but you only have to read the comments in Giant Bomb's excellent Endurance Run series to realise that there are a lot of people out there all too ready to say 'you're playing it wrong.' If you recognise yourself in the above, then listen carefully:

1) It is okay to make mistakes, even if it makes things a little harder. Most games are built with a little wiggle room and in particular Persona would be no fun at all if you had to do everything one way.

2) You might like to plan every second of your roleplaying time to perfection. That's okay. That's your style. This game is great for people who want to look at every angle and go into fine detail to figure out how to completely optimize their strategy. That's not everyone's style, though! Some people just want to try things, see what happens, take each day as it comes. That approach can work too and for a lot of people it's more fun that way. Please, please accept this, already.



3) I understand, particularly those watching the Giant Bomb videos. It's painful to watch someone doing something badly when you know a much better way to do it. Also, it's okay to offer helpful hints. You know, stuff like 'Sometimes enemies are weak to those instant death spells, so don't dismiss them completely.' That's a nice, constructive tip that someone can take or leave. Why not do more of that, instead of trying to play the game for them?

Here's my ideal version of the above conversation:
"Man, that boss just kicked my arse."
"Want a hint?"
"Sure, if it's not too involved."
"Well, the trick with him is to keep his little helper busy so that he doesn't have a chance to do his powerful attack."
"I'll keep that in mind!"

In summary, gameplay dictators suck and I'm best of friends with a fox.



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ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 07:31
ParaParaKing
YIP! I agree, that there is no right or wrong in gaming as long as you enjoy yourself.

I personally have a problem with seeing people play Puzzle games, because most likely they play it completely different from me. But instead of complaining I just don't watch them play.

Most interesting for me is watching Pop'n Music videos, because even super high-level player play completely differently.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:02
Bulkmailer
Protip: get shitfaced in order to tolerate the grinding. yip
Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:26
Jesus H Christ
That's kinda why I had to stop playing 3. I was doing just fine until I got to the second part of the tower and all of a sudden I can't even get past a regular non-boss enemy because I don't have X persona. I'm unemployed and single and I STILL consider my time to be more valuable than that.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:29
Bulkmailer
Jesus H Christ is a loser CONFIRMED.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:36
SurplusGamer
Actually, grinding hasn't been such a problem for me. So far, at least, I have found that just as long as I take each dungeon slowly, not dodging encounters and exploring thoroughly, then I can just about deal with the bosses.

Basically I don't like grinding but I could still tolerate more than I'm doing at the moment. The only actual grinding I've done so far is a little between kidnappings, and revisiting the an old dungeon to beat the extra boss. These have usually turned out to be a welcome break from the social link stuff when I haven't been there for good few days...
Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:36
Jesus H Christ
BAWWWWW gimmie a break guy! The economy suxxx.
JohZho's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 11:35
JohZho
I like how you kept out the spoilers, thank you!

BTW your playing it all wrong, Persona games arent about the RPG elements, its all about the dating sims and stuff. WTH plays it thinking they should fight monsters anyways. o.O

-sarcasm-

P.S. yeah I hate how people try and dictate your style of play, I guess its only alright when you see a friend doing it wrong in a way where it totally tangents off of what the game wants you to do. Like playing Madworld by just instant kills... It might be possible, i'm not sure, but it will take a hell lot longer to reach the goals. Especially when you know your friend just wants to kill enemies with chain saw and punching only.
adultswim810's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 11:39
adultswim810
my friend did that to me w/ chronotrigger
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 12:43
Naim Master
Only if you don't have the fox thingy on Persona 4 , THEN YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG !
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 14:39
Kyousuke Nanbu
But you are doing it wrong :(

I don't think its so much telling you're doing it wrong, they're just trying to help, I mean having the wrong persona does make it quite the uphill fight, especially if your MC is getting knocked down constantly.

And honestly, I love Atlus RPG's but when you reach the end its a giant grind, I'm gonna have to grind like a motherfucker on my 2nd run of P4 to get enough money and levels to 100% the compendium. Or master all the mantras in DDS or get Satan and Lucifer in P3 or make the ultimate team in Nocturne.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 14:50
Bulkmailer
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No, you are the master of wrong. |
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 16:40
SurplusGamer
@KYOUSUKE NANBU

Here's my perspective on that. Yes, there are personae that probably make it easy or harder, and yes there are probably some that are absolutely optimum, but not everyone thinks that figuring that shit out is worth their time. Heck, I hate grinding but I'd rather spend my time doing that than drawing up tables of which persona goes with what. And so far, grinding has been fairly painless.

Judging by your last paragraph, you're the type of person who is quite anal about getting every last thing in a game anyway. For that sort of person, being very strategic about your approach is probably important... but consider that there are those who don't really have that need.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 21:46
Joanna Mueller
I've been on both sides of the court with this. For the longest time I was the type that needed to unlock everything and make sure I didn't miss even the most trivial opportunity in the game. This lead to me basically reading the walkthrough then just kinda acting it out without any real thought as to why I'd pick a certain item or talk to this party member.

One day I just decided that I wanted to play games for myself again and promised myself I wouldn't read any walkthroughs unless I got hopelessly stuck. I found I really enjoyed discovering stuff on my own and yeah sometimes I messed up and missed out on stuff, but if it was really worth it I'd ever go back to an older save or plan to play through again someday and hit it then.

No wrong way, just different styles and accepting that you might miss out on something in exchange for getting to really explore and discover the world.
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 22:15
Dimly
Just like 1 uppers. I hate them
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