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'Shall tonight be a PC or Console kinda night?'
SurplusGamer | 6:20 PM on 08.31.2008 23 comments


So I've had a 'Gaming PC' for about a week now and I wanted to write a bit about how that's changed my habits - the advantages and disadvantages that it's brought and the sort of dilemmas I expect to face in the future.

Firstly, this is how it was before: I had a laptop which I could use to play the sort of low-tech indie games I enjoy and I would usually have that set up in the lounge where I also had my TV and various consoles. For all my gaming needs, as well as the internet and such, I could spread out on the comfy chair. Unless I had any big plans elsewhere, my whole evening was at my fingertips.

The new PC which I'm typing on now is set up in the bedroom. There just isn't a good place to put it in the lounge and so now I've suddenly got these two gaming hubs instead of just one place. It surprised me just how much difference this has made to my evening. Now, I get home and wonder - is this a slouch-in-front-of-TV-with-Geometry-Wars-2-while-browsing-the-web-on-the-laptop kinda night or is it more of a PC-only, play-windowed-games-while-on-IRC or write-music-with-MIDI-keyboard or have-a-serious-fullscreen-RPG kinda night? Sure, it's possible to switch computers halfway through an evening and I've done that sometimes but it certainly is a strange thing to have my attention suddenly divided in this way. Suddenly, if I'm on the PC and get an itch to play Super Metroid on Virtual Console, it isn't just a simple case of flicking the TV on. Compared to what I had to do before to switch from one thing to another, it feels like a freakin' military manouevre. I have to switch the PC off, change rooms, turn the laptop on, log back into everything, get settled and so on. In the grand scheme of things, of course, it's really not a big hassle but it's all about perception - it feels like a hassle in comparison to what was before. Even as I type this, that game of Super Metroid is starting to sound quite good - but am I going to bother resituating myself so that I can do it? Nah, it's too late in the evening.

Then, too, I have some decisions coming up. Fallout 3 will be coming out and I need to decide whether the 360 or the PC is the version for me. Oblivion gave me a lot of disc read errors for no good reason on the 360 and I seemed to enjoy it more on the PC, so maybe the PC is the choice for F3 - but then I remember how compelling I found the experience of playing something like Bioshock on the 360. There's something quite physical about playing in front of a TV. If I come to a bit that's particularly exciting or compelling, I find myself out of my seat, creeping closer to the set, perhaps even with my mouth open in awe in a way that isn't really possible when I'm using a mouse and keyboard and am already quite close to the monitor. Then again, that closeness to the screen has its advantages, too - playing through some of Psychonauts this week on PC has revealed little details in the scenery that have passed me by all the other times that I've played it on XBox and 360.

That brings me to another thing. I have mainly been playing my games windowed - and for things like Spore Creature Creator and SCUMMVM running Monkey Island 2 that's just fine. But when I get Fallout 3, assuming I choose the PC version I'm going to want all my screen devoted to it. That means taking my attention away from all of the other windows I'm used to fiddling about with when playing on, say, the 360. I was amazed how reliant upon this I have become. Time was when I was perfectly happy concentrating on just one thing at a time. The first time I played The Secret of Monkey Island that's all I was doing and you'd better believe that it was 2am when the game finally told me to 'turn off your computer and go to sleep!'. It'd be me and the game, for hours a night. As of now I have Notepad open, drafting this blog, a couple of Firefox windows I'm switching between, chatting to a couple of people on Messenger - and even then I'm pondering whether to have Sim City 3000 running in the background. It has been some time since I have given a game my full, undivided attention, and you know what? That's kind of sad. I'm supposed to love games. They're my thing! So how come I can't sit in front of one for more that ten minutes before feeling a desperate need to check if anyone has sent me a message or commented on my blog or created an amusing internet meme?

What I think will happen eventually is that I'll get a second monitor and use one of the screens for games but I'd like to hold off on that for a while, just as an experiment. Because maybe my problem isn't that my attention is divided between my PC-ish bedroom and my console/laptop-ish lounge. Maybe the problem is that I've forgotten how to just enjoy games without doing a million other things at once - and if I cast off all these crutches that I seem to have acquired that now seem like a necessary accompaniment to my gaming then maybe I'd have more fun with each individual game no matter what system I play it on.

So, does that mean that after all this, my conclusion is... STFUAJPG?



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Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 18:37
Daxelman
Indeed.

It depends.

Do you want to play Team Fortress 2?

Or do you want to play Team Fortress 2

I'd go for Team Fortress 2.
walnutthewise's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 18:41
walnutthewise
Multitasking while playing video games leads to the dark side...
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 18:44
SurplusGamer
@Daxelman

Heh - well, you make a good point, actually. I used to be an avid Team Fortress Classic player because when that was all the rage it was quite easy to log on and get a decent game going. Now maybe that's possible on the 360, too, but judging by the 2 times I've tried it must be very, very difficult. Maybe I'd fare better on the PC. Maybe the PC will be what gets me back into multiplayer gaming in general.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 19:22
Daxelman
@Surplus.

I hate to say it, I really do, but the PC version has that nifty Heavy Update you can get working on.


(Let's try for Spy next time, aye Valve?)
DonHonk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 19:56
DonHonk
If you own a PC that can run TF2, YOU MUST BUY IT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 20:06
Eschatos
You have got to join us on PC TF2. It is epic.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 20:10
SurplusGamer
Man, you guys are being very tempting. After getting the PC stuff, I can't afford to breathe this month but maybe after payday I'll pick it up. It'd be nice to get some Destructoidy friends on my Steam Account, too. SteamID is SurplusGamer.
ZServ's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 20:10
ZServ
i have 2 pc's that cant even RUN tf2 and i bought it.
youkilledmyguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 21:24
youkilledmyguy
As a die hard PC gamer (as in the only console games I play are ones I can emulate on my PC) I know what you're talking about. My suggestion is to get a second monitor. Right now I use my widescreen LCD monitor for my games and my older CRT for webpages and IRC.

As I'm typing this comment I have the save screen of Mass Effect open. When I finish posting this I'll move my mouse over and continue the game.
Justin Villasenor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 22:52
Justin Villasenor
Even though I use the Internet like crazy, and check stuff pretty regularly, I never got into a multitasking habit like you did. When I play games -- whether it be on a console, handheld, or my PC -- I only play games. I don't keep any IM programs running or keep my browser open on my e-mail inbox, I just focus on the game I'm playing because interruptions really piss me off.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/31/2008 23:07
Eschatos
I tried inviting you to the Steam group, but apparently I'm not allowed to.
manta's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 01:06
manta
Fallout 3 is a definite PC game.

If it's anything like Oblivion, they're going to crank out DLC for it. And the wonders of PC is that you can NOT pirate it.

Fuck you, Horse Armor. I don't feel one bit guilty of stealing you.

Also, hopefully it's just as mod friendly, because I'm sure Fallout fans will be able to add so much to that game.

I can't wait.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 01:25
RJG
If you're playing a shooter on anything other than PC you're doing it wrong. I don't want to be an elitist bastard, but it's not simply a matter of controls anymore. The closed systems on Xbox and PS3 make it apparent that consoles have a long way to go before online multiplayer and customisation is as good as the PC. Not only do you get the TF2 updates, but you get access to a shit load of custom maps as well (not all of them are good, but in the updates Valve have been including stellar maps from the community as well).

Also, a second monitor is a must. It doesn't have to be as good as your gaming monitor, but having another one to handle chat and web browsing while playing a game will make PC gaming that much more comfortable.

If you was a truly epic night and you've got the house to yourself, take the tower in to the lounge room and dual monitor on the large screen TV. Playing with the keyboard in your lap and the mouse on the couch next to you isn't that hard, provided your mouse isn't crap. Sure, it might take a bit of setting up, but as far as I'm concerned, the extra effort to get a good PC working is more than worth it in the long run.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 02:08
SurplusGamer
RJG:

Hm, frankly - yeah, it does come off as a bit elitist, because one of my big rules is that nobody tells me or anyone else how we ought to be playing games. I don't care what your reasons are, and there may be percieved advantages and disadvantages but in the end it's a matter of compromise, and personal preferences. I happen to agree with most of your points as far as TF2 goes - but that wasn't the reason I bought the Orange Box on 360 - and I'm still very pleased with my purchase.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 03:16
Timmeh
I've been a PC gamer forever, with a console for the games I can't get on PC or for multiplayer stuff with friends round.

I find myself questioning which platform to get Left 4 Dead on because I don't really have any people who I regularly play stuff on PC with any more (boo hoo). Fallout 3 I'm considering to a lesser extent, but the fact that it is cheaper and will look better on PC with the potential for more custom content kinda swings it. PC Oblivion laughs at the console version, the amount of user made content is outlandish.

Things just look and play better if you've bought a decent PC in the last couple of years (unless they are horrible, horrible ports like RE4).

Also, sorry but there's no elitism about saying that being able to use a mouse instead of the right analogue stick for shooters is fact whatever anyone says. The analogue stick in no way offers the precision or speed of a decent mouse and playing FPS games (or Gears of War in particular) the aiming feels gimped compared to their PC counterparts. Probably why my copy of Halo 3 sits around gathering dust rather than being played online much.

As for Virtual Console, you can always find some ROMs and an Emulator instead :P



I never had the problem of having to run multiple applications at once, mainly because I'm a miserable anti-social bastard and hate people interrupting my game experience.
milescosmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 03:47
milescosmo
I'm not sure what sort of TV you have but can't you hook your PC up to the TV via VGA? thats what I would do and then get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 03:58
SurplusGamer
@Timmeh - Sure. The mouse is more precise than the right analogue stick. That's true. But there are plenty of FPS games where I neither need or particularly desire that precision. I played Half Life 2 on PC first, then again on 360 recently and I can honestly say I didn't feel that anything was lost in translation. If I was playing Counterstrike, I can certainly see why the extra precision would be very desirable and important.

Secondly, the advantage of the mouse is real, but also overstated - while it's more accurate than an analogue stick, the left stick is equally more precise to control with than WSAD, giving you that extra degree of control on the Z-plane. Not only that, but you don't just aim with the right stick, you fine tune aiming by using the left stick at the same time, so to compare the mouse to just one analog stick is actually not a true comparison. Twin sticks ARE limiting in some ways, but they are not as poor a compromise as many people like to think and actually have an advantage over the mouse and keyboard set up in a few situations (like, say, if I'm trying to creep around a corner).

Don't mistake me for someone who grew up on consoles and isn't used to mouse/keyboard setups - There's a console-shaped hole in my life between my NES and my late-adopted PS2. I too practised on Quake 1 ReaperBots back when it wasn't so easy to find online games - and I found the transition to gamepad jarring at first. But now I can switch between both without feeling very restricted by one or the other. Maybe I'm just not as elite as you but I when switching to console I don't feel gimped - I just find I automatically switch to a more movement-based play syle which is where the left stick can shine.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 04:16
SurplusGamer
@Eschatos:

Oh, there's a group? Of -course- there's a group. I'll check it out later.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 06:52
Timmeh
Y'know, on reflection the awkwardness and lack of comfort with using a controller for an FPS is probably a lot to do with the 18+ years since I started PC gaming compared to Halo 3 being the first console FPS I ever completed. Maybe I should just practice more :P
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 07:46
Arttemis
Wow, I'm seriously laughing at the defense of gamepads for FPSs.

Just to respond to two blaring comments that made my eyes almost bleed:

* Completely adjusting your play style because you're no longer capable of aiming precisely is a big disadvantage, and its a compromise any advanced player would refuse.
This is a restriction.

* The use of the left stick allows for more degrees of side-forward strafing, but those are hardly giving extra degrees of precision for aiming that you couldn't get from a keyboard; the WASD keys can be pressed in combinations to get the same desired directions. Strafing is simply required on controllers to compensate for awkward acceleration-based direction implication.
The tactic of side-stepping is just as viable for aiming on keyboards - but it's not necessary due to the near 1:1 control of a mouse. This means sidestepping can now be used exclusively for maneuvering, dodging, etc.


Also, why can't you play Super Metroid on your PC again?


Bottom Line: It seriously sounds like you should put your laptop in your bedroom and find a solution to putting your PC in your gaming room.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 08:31
SurplusGamer
@arttemis

Wow, I don't believe that some people are getting so defensive about their particular perspective. Bottom line: if using the gamepad wasn't an acceptable way to control an FPS on a console, then people wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put up with it. People would play other games on consoles.

Jesus, get over it - I've already said that I'm well aware that mouse/keyboard is on the whole more precise, is it so difficult for you to believe that despite this I still think gamepad controls are a perfectly adequate control scheme? Can you not possibly encapsulate that in your thinking?

Or to put it another way which I touched upon earlier: Nobody should be telling me or anyone else how to enjoy games. Hate a game, love a game, completely rip the shit out of a flawed game - whatever. Just don't tell me that the way I'm playing games is somehow 'wrong,' because that is bullshit.

Now, as for your actual point, I think you're reading too much into what I was saying. It's not like I'm consciously saying: 'Okay, I'm using a gamepad so I'll do X' or 'Now I'm on a mouse so I'll do Y'. It's more like the controls I am using will automatically inform the way I play without me having to think about it. That's not a handicap, it's like playing a guitar with or without a pick - you can do both, there a different techniques involved, but you don't need to think about them - you just do it.
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