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SubOrbital | 5:03 PM on 10.18.2007 11 comments


I'm just curious about something. The net is a rather wonderful beast as it allows people from all over the world to connect up and talk about their favourite shit etc, get into flaming wars. There is a downside to that though and it pertains to racism. I guess this would mainly be for non Americans. See, I'm from New Zealand and I'm a maori, which is the indigenous people of lovely NZ. Most of you probably don't even know what that is. Would I be offended because you don't know the particular sensitivities of my culture? No way. But for some reason I find that people from America, blacks in particular, expect everyone else to know what is and isn't an insult? Not everyone out there is a racist, but I get offended when people expect me to know what's an insult to them when they don't know what's an insult to me. You could call me a coconut and I'd knock your block off, but you could call that to one of you and you would probably wonder why I'm calling you a strange food. You see what I mean? The N word is an obvious one, my grandfather used to be called that as his nickname, which was lovely as you can imagine, so I like to think I know the basics. But when you get jumped on for using innocuous terms, at least to where I come from, in general conversation, I get a bit ticked because I guarantee if the shoe were on the other foot, I doubt anyone would care if they said something I found offensive. I guess I'm just saying I wish people would stop thinking everyone was a racist automatically and maybe return some of that sensitivity they use for themselves with people from other parts of the world. This is just ranting, I suppose. Just curious if anyone else has come across this sort of thing.



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Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 17:21
Aerox
I got to go to Waitangi when I was in NZ during my easter trip when I studied abroad in Melbourne. You guys definitely have some fascinating history. I'm still unclear how you managed to make a legitimate peace treaty with the Europeans, while they were off basically raping the land of everyone else they came in contact with.
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 17:36
SubOrbital
I think because we gave them a good fight, even after the peace treaty. The NZ Land Wars were pretty vicious and maybe they thought it was better to make love than war, when the maori knew the terrain better, and were using trench warfare on them before they even got the concept. I think that out of all the indigenous peoples in the world, we did pretty well when it came to withstanding the onslaught of the empire.
lem's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 17:41
lem
I remember a few years back (details alude me) they were going to name a part of a stadium in queensland the "Nigger Brown Stand" as it was one of the rugby players nick names. Pure class, i may check it out later on wikipedia later to see if tehre's anything about it when i'm sposed to be working.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 17:50
bluemeep
I get pissed whenever I see a norseman with a horned helmet. There is no goddamn historical accuracy in that and it bugs the hell out of me.
flynsk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 18:11
flynsk
I think I understand the sensitivity, because language has been used as a method of systematic oppression.

However, as an Irish-American, I'm not offended when people mick/paddy/potato me to death because it's my history, and my family's history.

It does bother me when people cracker me because my people had no part in that, they were back in Ireland - totally boned, or here being oppressed by the same people at the same time.

~Kind of like bluemeep's answer... It's the inaccuracies.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 18:17
JRisJunior
i totally agree. i was playing a TF2 match the other day, as a pyro, and another pyro said, "burn them like the Jews!" i was pretty pissed, but i just told him i really never wanted him to say that ever again. i didn't start flamming him over it, just a stern warning. how could they know i was Jewish? the worst is the ethnocentrism that a lot of cultures have. Americans especially. yes i am an American, but the way our culture just ignores anybody else's culture bothers me. i had no idea that a coconut was an insult. I think NZ is so cool and i really want to take a trip there one day. anybody that's not American, i find you guys awesome. other US'ers, not so much. =)
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 18:28
Aerox
Also, if anyone comes in here with at "But black people call themselves the N word and I can't that's racist" argument I'm going to stab you in the face.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 18:42
Eschatos
Yeah, racism sucks. Me and my friends occasionally make racist jokes, but it's all in fun, and it's never far enough that the person of the race in question is actually offended, unless they have a stick up their ass.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 18:47
Spartacus
I have come up with an equation to express my opinion on the matter:

Racism=stupid
therefore, racist person=stupid person
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 20:05
Cowzilla3
I traveled all over nz and the maori were the most impressive native culture I had ever encountered. I was really suprised by how well your culture had both simultanously kept your own way of life and fit into the culture forced upon you, especially in comparison to the aboriginies in australia. It is an incredibly unique situation with colonization and the peace treaties....I had a point but its totally lost now, other than racism is bad and I understand wher eyou are coming from.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/18/2007 21:30
Capn Birdseye
bloody sheep shaggers ;)

<--- Aussie, just revvin ya m8.
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