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Resident Evil 4 - Best RE ever or where it jumped the shark?
SubOrbital | 6:40 AM on 10.26.2007 32 comments


Blasphemy to even suggest it to some, I know. It was definitely an incredible game. On the Wii I still found it as good as on the Cube. When it first came out on the Cube, I just couldn't get over the graphics. It remains an incredibly beautiful game and a solid one at that. It was critically well received. I think moreso than any RE before it. However, it did mark a significant post Umbrella era in the series.

So, for you RE fans out there, do you think RE4 was a good entry in the overall franchise, or was it so vastly different to the games before it, both in style and story, that it perhaps heralded the demise of old school Resident Evil? I loved the RE remake on the Cube, I loved RE2 on PSOne, I loved Code Veronica on Dreamcast. I would definitely consider myself an RE fan. I consider RE4 a stellar game, probably the best out of the series gameplay and graphics wise. It just feels a little odd, very different. Agree or disagree?



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BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
Ummm...Umbrella was dead before RE4. And yes it was better than the others since it is consider like top 4 best game of all time.

The main difference was a lack of zombies and more action oriented.

Hush.
Tron Knotts's Destructoid Blog
I love RE4. The other RE games are sort of ruined by it. Once you go RE4, it's hard to go back.
SuitcoatAvenger's Destructoid Blog
RE4 saved the Resident Evil franchise from floundering. Before it came out, the most recent Resident Evil's had been the outbreak games, which were antiquated, poorly designed, and boring. Although the tone and setting of the game are far different than those that came before it, RE4 represented an element that is vitally important in sustaining franchises, but is rarely seen in video games; evolution. No more extensive key searching, no more fixed camera angles, no more predictable storylines. Some day Capcom may revisit Umbrella, Wesker, etc. but for now, I'm happy with the direction that they are moving in. At least it is fresh and keeps you on your toes.
Brandon Undead's Destructoid Blog
Forums?
Trevor McGee's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, after Resident Evil 4 it's kind of hard to go back to the old "tank" controls of the past games. Actually, I wouldn't mind if they remade all the games with the Resident Evil 4 engine in full 3D. I'd buy all of them for sure.
lwesquire's Destructoid Blog
The village section was fantastic, but as soon as you get to the castle the whole thing got too arcadey (zomg to kill the 12 yr old napoleon imma gots to get teh rocket launcherz from the cloak guy with the christawful cockney accent). Some of the cutscenes were fantastic, I just felt it got a little stale towards the end of the game. I'm hoping for more of a return to the originals from 5: limited ammo, legions of slowly shuffling zombies, slowly finding out the backstory from searching computers and rifling through filing cabinets. This is what I wants.
VWGTI's Destructoid Blog
I agree with Iwesquire. I'm a long time fan, and while RE4 was a blast it still doesn't compare to the first three in my opinion. Those will always be Resident Evil to me.
lwesquire's Destructoid Blog
If RE5 goes back its roots, I'll buy it for a high price.
blehman's Destructoid Blog
Hey lwesqeire, 1995 called, they want you back. How can you want to go back to the original style? "Tank" controls which totally blow, and slow, uninspired zombies (they don't even look like they want to eat me). No thanks.
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
RE4 has limited ammo.

RE5 won't have zombies in it. They already said NO ZOMBIES.

Some people, I swear. I love the RE franchise and played just all the games (Dead Aim I haven't yet) but saying RE4 was stale in any sense is just plain we todd did.
-D-'s Destructoid Blog
I would have gladly paid $50 for Dead Aim, I am not kidding, that game is great.
VWGTI's Destructoid Blog
Yea, Deam Aim was a blast.
lwesquire's Destructoid Blog
Aww hells no, I had no love for the unholy marriage of fixed camera angles and character-relative controls. I would never say a thing like that, even in jest. I'm saying they should keep the over-shoulder perspective (maybe switch it up a bit depending on the weapon though? The lack of perspective made melee pretty tough) but bring back more of the slow drama, puzzles that required thought and research rather than key-hunting and sense of actual survival rather than just being a badass with curtains and a deagle.
The progression of the RE series is pretty much analogous to the decline of the horror movie in recent years; the early games, just like older horror films, were all about suspense, not knowing what's around the corner, noises in the distance. RE4 had maybe one genuinely creepy sequence (the prison where you first meet the regenerators, with the thing in the bag), and the chainsaw noise in the distance was good for planting a sense of impending doom in the player, but it got most of its scares from shit jumping out at you and loud noises.
As for the zombies, I'd like to see more half-life 2/28 days later style ones getting thrown in there. Las Plagas were fucking stupid, who runs straight up to a man with a shotgun, holding a pitchfork, then decides to walk the last few metres at a slow shuffle? The zombies were believable because they were so slow and brainless (harhar), the plagas' AI made them feel more like targets than enemies. They could have done with making them all run straight at you but only ever putting three on screen at a time.
Anyway, this long comment is long so I'm gonna leave it there, but I feel RE4 was overrated.
VWGTI's Destructoid Blog
Well said Iwesquire. RE needs to go back to its roots as far as the overall atmosphere, story development, enemies, and suspense. Even though I did enjoy RE4 I agree that it is overrated.

Also, what the hell is an inspired zombie?
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
For scary...

What about the sewers with the bugs?

What about the Verdugo in the basement? Not the scariest part ever but it was sweet and a little chilling being hunted down by him and trying to survive that long (unless you wasted the rocket and went for a kill your first go around).

One of the scariest moments was when the two chainsaw women popped out! That freaked me out..specially since you still move slowly and you were stuck in that pit at first...I still don't like doing that part when I play.


And I'd rather have at least 10 Las Plagas guys surrounding me, throwing stuff at me and dodging bullets than 3 running straight at me, no thanks.


Resident Evil 4 is SO not overrated and I am sorry but you are messing with the wrong franchise/game to diss on this one.
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
And what about the U3 or "It".

That thing was freaky and maybe I was just playing it with 0 lights and a CRANKING surround sound, but that was a pretty freaky moment. And trust me, I don't get scared easily. I am an avid horror fan and help my friend's horror company whenever needed.
F Whipple's Destructoid Blog
Shoot...the hedge maze with the dogs drove me insane. To me that was the scariest moment in the game
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
Yeah Whipple, that was pretty good.

What the heck...RE4 had tons of suspense. You never knew what was going to happen next. The only thing I will admit you have a point on is the puzzles. But this game was more actiony.

So you may have a point with the whole, "it isn't like the old without puzzle and slowness" but it is a revival of the game. New enemies, NO UMBRELLA, new camera angle, ACTION.
VWGTI's Destructoid Blog
Those regenerator's creeped me out big time thats for sure. I just thought the entire game was pretty tame as far as scares, albeit fun, when in comparison to the first three titles.
lwesquire's Destructoid Blog
@blindside,

I guess I was looking for a more cerebral experience when I played it. It's a great game and the added mercenaries and survival modes are shit hot, especially playing with a friend, but as a survival horror it fails utterly. Leon is far too powerful, you always have too much ammo and more guns than will actually fit in your luggage and the enemies are idiots. They could have released the same game under the guise of an all-new series and I'd have lapped it up, but coming in expecting it to be a Resident Evil game I was disappointed. How the enemies act in 5 is a dealbreaker for me. If it's just another round of target practise then no thanks.
BlindsideDork's Destructoid Blog
Well you have village people who have some sort of parasite in them. And it is not like they are super smart parasites cause if they would, they would infect smarter/buffer/stronger hosts.

Did it feel like Resident Evil? I'd say yes.

But if you are lame and didn't like RE4, you won't like RE5. RE5 is RE4 but in new local, new character and "evolved" controls. Failure is you for not liking a new game which will probably be sweetnes.

It's ok, you can sit around playing the originals while I enjoy RE5. It's cool, I'll let you know in all the stuff you are missing.
lwesquire's Destructoid Blog
Pfft. It felt like a House of Dead game, which is to say fun, but in no way a truly memorable experience. The new control scheme was definitely needed mind you. I'd like to see a remake of the first three with useable controls at some point.
I almost definitely won't be picking up RE5 as I'm at uni right now, the Triple is back at home and I'm stuck with a shitty laptop for gaming (which has the upside of making me discover a shitload of awesome indie games), but I'll certainly be watching it with interest. If it looks like it can deliver genuine scares as well as the awesome head-exploding of number 4, I might change my stance. Right now the only games I plan on buying over the next year are MGS4 and the orange box though.
dgenerate's Destructoid Blog
Everything I could possibly say has been said better than I could: Actionbutton.net's review of Resident Evil on GameCube
king3vbo's Destructoid Blog
It was so much better than the previous RE games, and it was so much fun. But, I missed the T-virus zombies. Las Plagas FTL
aborto thefetus's Destructoid Blog
No. I love RE more than anything, and if Re4 did anything, it improved the series. This is what I expect from sequels, I don't want something rehashed over and over, I want them to take out what doesn't work and add in what does.
Jetsetlemming's Destructoid Blog
"Jumping the Shark" is the beginning of the end, where something good goes bad. Obviously, since almost everyone loved RE4, and Capcom is gladly making more sequels, it doesn't count.
Before RE4, I woulda counted Code Veronica as that, though. God, that game was awful. Just thinking about its shitty plot and characters makes my head hurt.
DanGale's Destructoid Blog
I hated all RE games before 4. The controls were so broken.So much so that I passed on 4 until last year when my housemate made me play it. Therefore I would consider it the only RE worth playing.

Recently I tried playing RE on the DS. Epic fail.
aborto thefetus's Destructoid Blog
@jetsetlemming

I agree with you on Veronica, That game was fucking terrible.
whenever the badguy talked my ears bled.
Hamza CTZ Aziz's Destructoid Blog
RE4 is one of my all time favorite games.
SubOrbital's Destructoid Blog
I would give RE4 a 9.insertsomeprettygoodnumberhere score, which would be higher than I'd give any RE game. It was different to the first ones, but in my opinion one of the best games on the Wii. It is a better game. What I enjoyed most about the first two games in particular was the atmosphere, especially in the first game, and the suspense style of telling a story. I think if they incorporated more of that into RE5, I'd be nearing 10 category, simply because I love scary movies and thus scary games. The crows come to mind in RE1 as being particularly good for a jump when I first encountered them. The first zombie, the licker through the window and on the ceiling. RE4 had some of these, but clearly the emphasis was on action. I'd enjoy seeing more puzzles. One thing RE4 beats the other games on, hands down, are the boss encounters. The amount of times I went 'oh shit, how cool!' was awesome, on the Wii version. Thinking about it, RE4 didn't jump the shark, it gave RE a new start and life. RE5 will be a good chance to take the ball and run with it. I for one can't wait. Just bummed it won't be on Wii [ I think? ], because I enjoyed the interactivity of RE4 on it.
Ryuhanta's Destructoid Blog
RE4 was awesome. Only thing is the brat you have to save won't stop whining>.< Other than that, the games perfest. can't wait for RE5
Ryuhanta's Destructoid Blog
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