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CAD Character Design Stolen? (Updated)
Stephanie K | 11:34 PM on 05.21.2010 26 comments




Updated on May 22nd, 12:58pm Central: I've been receiving reports of shady behavior from Buckley and other members of his forum. Besides immediate bans for those who talk about the connection between the designs, the ability to even talk about the comic itself has been hidden from the forums. Apparently not even members can access the sub forum dedicated to the comic and the ability to register for the site has been disabled or new members are being denied until farther notice. On top of that, the CAD article on Wikipedia has been completely removed.

A few tips I've received mentioned how upset fans wanted to create an article on the page to talk about the controversy. Buckley was editing their comments in attempts to completely remove the topic. Eventually, he just deleted the page.

I've also been receiving screencaps of his forum posts where he has denied the way the incident took place with the art student despite achieved pictures of his letter to the student. He says that he "does not recall" writing the letter in such a vulgar way and says that he sent the fan art to his lawyer to see if student could use it, not to sue him even though the letter states otherwise.

Needless to say, it seems that issues arising a more or less about the morality behind how the situation is being handled as fans show their stands on the gray area between what is considered basing a design and what is considered copying a design. Regardless of rather or not legal action can take place regarding copyright, fans are more upset over how Buckley is responding over this and his attitude towards his fanbase.

Original post: It is not uncommon to once in awhile discovered similarities among media forms. It is not uncommon for different songs over the years to sound familiar or for movies or games to share moments that resemble a previous piece of work, but is imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Where is the line drawn between borrowing a concept and theft?

Ctrl-Alt-Del is a fairly popular web comic that seems to have stumbled into some hot water. For the past few weeks, the web creator, Tim Buckley, had introduced a new female character named Abby. Abby seems to have become a bit of an antagonist to counter his protagonist’s (Ethan) antics. However, while the clever, punk girl seems to be liked among the fan base, it’s possible that Buckley could face a law suit due to his new character.

Recently, it was discovered that Abby’s character design seemed identical to a character created by 2D artist, Hector Moran, from 2007. His character whom he called “Punk Girl” is featured on his web site under his original project listing, complete with copyright law protection and even a store where you can purchase prints of his work. Strangely, both Abby and “Punk Girl” have the same color highlights in the same colored hair with outfits that almost perfectly match other than very few, minor alterations.

The CAD forums seem to split in two as controversy and conspiracies tore the community apart as fans debated on rather or not Abby’s design was stolen. Some former-fans mentioned a previous incident regarding Buckley’s reaction when his character Ethan was used by a student for a school project a few years ago. The student had given Buckley full recognition for the design and clearly stated that his drawing was fan art for an art class project. Buckley had mocked the student and threatened to sue him for use of Ethan’s image. Yet, ironical years later, Buckley could see the same accusation if Moran chooses to pursue copyright infringement.

Threads and posts on the CAD forums were quickly deleted as flame wars sprouted. Any user who remotely mentioned disliking for the stolen image was banned as mods tried to counter the attacks. Many were infuriated with the lack of credit given to Moran for his work after the previous incident regarding the art student’s fan art. What has the community even more pissed is the fact that proof of the “theft” was stated by Buckley himself not long ago.

A forum post by Buckley stated that when he was designing the character, he did research on the punk style in order to properly design the character. “That drawing is among many I looked at,” he had written, “and had the clothing that I felt matched the character I had in mind.”

He goes onto to explain that it’s not “uncommon for artists to look for references when drawing”, but yet the image seems to more of a copy than a drawing based on the original work. He states that he would have given credit to the original artist but only if the artist asks for it, which in itself is causing more controversy regarding the topic. There was no mentioning of the original artist ever being contacted for rights to use the character or that rights were purchased.

At the moment, there is no official comment by Moran, though he has been contacted by the fan base to inform him of the usage of the concept. This article will be updated as this story continues to unfold.



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de BLOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2010 23:50
de BLOO
I thought the whole miscarriage thing made CAD too stupid to be relevant.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 00:02
Tony Ponce
CAD rips off a lot of people. This wouldn't be the first time.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 00:08
sheppy
As an artist who had stuff taken before, I feel for the guy, I really do. However, the art is NOT lawsuitable. Allow me to explain.

If someone was to design a character much like wolverine, but with a metallic mask and two claws insteak of three, they could get away with it. Image Comics got away with it. Because enough was changed.

Same with this. Punk Girls sense of style is not a copyright. Hell, it's not even uncommon... Hot Topic. I have, personally, three of the accessories in that belt. Skirt over pants isn't new either. After all, you don't see Cyndi Lauper bitching about how much Punk Girl stole from her. Problem is this, there is enough different from Abby and Punk Girl that Buckley could full on get away with it in court, if the original artist was stupid enough to believe he invented purple highlights. I mean FUCK, Disney sells TShirts tattoo designs from magazines and adds a generic Gothic Tinkerbelle character to get away with it.

Buckley, essentially, is in the legal safe zone. And this isn't like Nick Simmons in the slightest. Even Simmons was in the legal "right," just not the ethical one.

Put another way, both characters are WAY too fucking generic for anyone to claim ownership. Just to give an idea... this was done two years ago by me.

http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/sheppyboy2000/?action=view¤t=StephFinal.jpg

Notice how my character isn't too far off from Abby.
Stephanie K's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 00:13
Stephanie K
But if Buckley admitted to specifically taking the design from that original piece, couldn't Moran at least build a case?
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 00:48
CelicaCrazed
The problem is that you are not reading Nedroid. That will solve everything.
ArcticFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 00:58
ArcticFox
@Steph Louise K

No, because realistically, it'd be damn hard to show that he profited off of it. Also, the design and art style might prove to be different enough. Even if he admitted it, you can not lay claim to a specific style, as sheppy said. Artists steal from other artists intentionally or not all the damn time. Even with proof of date of creation, which in itself would be hard to estabish as Buckly himself has said that he has had the story planned out for years (so that might include this annoying character). Regardless, I know people in real life who dress that way and they can't claim he stole their "look". There is no merit here.

Personally, I think it is irrelevant, mostly because she is a terribly annoying character and I dislike CAD anyway. I read it more out of habit then any actual enjoyment, and I have been trying to stop. Seriously, CAD gets worse by the page.
Tray Ben's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 01:18
Tray Ben
Tim Buckley is a piece of shit.
Om Nom On Souls's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 02:24
Om Nom On Souls
It could be that thing in psychology where it was like unintentional plagiarism, I forget what it's called. That's pretty freakin close though.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 02:29
Mike Moran
I feel sorry for the people who actually go to that forum. I've heard more than once that you get banned at the drop of a hat if the local moderators dislike anything you say. I haven't touched a forum that operated like that since I was like... 13.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 02:49
GoldenGamerXero


Tray Ben wins the thread.
g-off's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 03:18
g-off
@ de bloo. That's funny, because I thought the whole "never once having been funny" thing made CAD too stupid to be relevant.
Jinachi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 03:34
Jinachi
heh pretty interesting
I've heard a lot of bad shit about Buckley e.g. he's a paedophile etc.
But this is the first article I've read that is not a forum post flaming the shit out of Buckley and instead a well explained piece on CAD
Well done
McSnow's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 06:10
McSnow
Tray Ben has already said what I was about to write but I'll just say it again for emphasis.

"Tim Buckley is a piece of shit."

I remember when I still read it, way before that miscarriage shit, someone criticised his work by email so Tim posted the guys email on his front page and ripped the shit out of him publicly. It wasn't the first time he had bitched about people who criticise him either.

"Tim Buckley is a piece of shit."
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 09:07
Aurain
Can't really build a case.
But you can make it known that you're not happy that he's pretty much plaigarised your art.

B^U is a turd in a blanket.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 10:06
DaedHead8
I had no idea about any of this drama. Great blog, it explained it all very well.
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 11:27
Stevil
Really? I thought all punk girls dress exactly the same despite their claims of individualism. Ho Ho ho....oooh.

The only time I've ever liked CAD was when somebody made ZALGO comics using its strips. I'd rather read MegaTokyo and nobody should ever read that increasingly creepy comic.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2010 12:51
Occams electric toothbrush
Jeff Buckley sure could sing.

Also, CAL bores me and everything I've heard about the creator is that he is a skeeze. It wouldn't surprise me if he ripped off the image but like people have said above, its so generic a look that its not an issue of legality. Neat post though, I like news like this.
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