Great points Stephanie, I very much agree with you that the females of the show has room to grow quite a bit. Sadly though I don't think thats going to happen when the majority (my guess) are guys who want or does view women in the way they are presented in this show so changing that would confuse the shows main demographic. But hey! Here's hoping for better shows with better more relatable characers!
I've never seen the show, and after watching that clip I may never. I did see a couple of clips, but it doesn't look appealing to me. It can't be that hard to write a female that likes sci-fi, fantasy, and video games. If they can write how guys like it, why not females?
Came here thinking this was about Big Bang Beat, left remembering why I stopped watching this show. I watched a good amount of episodes and I don't ever remember them introducing a normal female who plays games, as a minor or main character.
I came here because I thought this was about Bernadette's bust.I am disappointed this article has no pictures of her humungous rack.
How... how are you able to sit through 4 seasons of that? I couldn't even do 4 episodes. I wanted to punch every single friend that swore I'd love it because of all the geek jokes.
I have so many better shows on Netflix that I can recommend. None of which are flat out insulting to their supposed target audience.
I have so many better shows on Netflix that I can recommend. None of which are flat out insulting to their supposed target audience.
I've watched the show with my wife, and while I can appreciate their conversations in quantum physics, I usually cringe at the choices of games they play and broad generalizations regarding the subculture of geeks and nerds. Also, the female co-scientist of Leonard's that served as a love interest for a couple episodes was so radically geeky and devoid of emotion that it makes me think that nothing but stereotypes are portrayed in the show. There are plenty of girls who aren't nerdy or have geeky interests, and Penny's representation of that group is probably the most accurate portrayal in the show. As a chemical engineer, even when working in a research and development firm, I don't have the level of nerd that the main characters show, and I'm just as interested in their hobbies as them!
Because, Scotty, I'm a masochist
Anyway, thank you everyone who has commented so far. I just hope I was capable of portraying my idea well enough; that I don't take it has the show being sexist or saying "this is how women arr". I just noticed a few observations that came off slightly insult but they're the product of poor writing and nothing more. So, I figured I'd share my view and see what others thought.
Anyway, thank you everyone who has commented so far. I just hope I was capable of portraying my idea well enough; that I don't take it has the show being sexist or saying "this is how women arr". I just noticed a few observations that came off slightly insult but they're the product of poor writing and nothing more. So, I figured I'd share my view and see what others thought.
Because, Scotty, I'm a masochist
Anyway, thank you everyone who has commented so far. I just hope I was capable of portraying my idea well enough; that I don't take it has the show being sexist or saying "this is how women arr". I just noticed a few observations that came off slightly insult but they're the product of poor writing and nothing more. So, I figured I'd share my view and see what others thought.
Anyway, thank you everyone who has commented so far. I just hope I was capable of portraying my idea well enough; that I don't take it has the show being sexist or saying "this is how women arr". I just noticed a few observations that came off slightly insult but they're the product of poor writing and nothing more. So, I figured I'd share my view and see what others thought.
I've only watched the show a few times, but it definitely seems to be a "guy" show. It seemed to mock stereotypes of men, so I'm not surprised that the females on the show are also somewhat stereotypical.
It reminds me a lot of Sony's advertising campaigns... which often seem to place females into the "girlfriend" role (thinking that Uncharted is a movie) or worst... those stupid PSP ads where the entire theme was "girls don't game" and Romeo tells Juliet he's too busy gaming for that "love" shit (or the Dustballs/rats/whatever they were and they're "picking up chicks" cheap jokes).
Women are much more obvious in online gaming and in gaming culture... but it doesn't seem that the general population and media has looked around and caught on to this fact yet. :(
It reminds me a lot of Sony's advertising campaigns... which often seem to place females into the "girlfriend" role (thinking that Uncharted is a movie) or worst... those stupid PSP ads where the entire theme was "girls don't game" and Romeo tells Juliet he's too busy gaming for that "love" shit (or the Dustballs/rats/whatever they were and they're "picking up chicks" cheap jokes).
Women are much more obvious in online gaming and in gaming culture... but it doesn't seem that the general population and media has looked around and caught on to this fact yet. :(
I think the problem with expecting more from the female characters on The Big Bang Theory is that...it's The Big Bang Theory. It's one of those lowest common denominator shows like Two and a Half Men. I would love to see better female characters on it, including the ones you described in your post, but TV execs operate under the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" model. BBT is doing well for them as is, so things aren't going to change.
They can't be like that because the show is basically nerd blackface and generally ridiculing women is considered sexist. I have watched remarkably little of it due to the former.
As for the latter issue: that's just the way things are. Society says it's acceptable to make men the butt of jokes that would be considered offensive were a woman in their place. It's because there's no (or at least much less) stigma for anyone not "getting" video games, but making fun of a woman for liking "nerdy guy stuff" is very thin ice, risking people thinking they were being mocked for being involved rather than for being nerds (though I think both are wrong.)
I realize that's a really black and white interpretation, but I just watched an episode of Bones where Hodgins is called out for an inappropriate generalization for asking "don't women like that?" and just stands there looking guilty and then a few scenes later, Angela (the resident free spirit speshul snowflake) says, in regard to dog fighting, "No, MEN do it." and then (the always right, prettier than everyone) Brennan chimes in with a "Yeah, MEN." while the male intern of the week... stands there and takes it, looking guilty. And they're never faulted for it. As someone that gets choked up whenever the Sarah McLaughlin sad puppies commercial comes on TV and gets that sympathetic, skin-crawling feeling seeing someone's scraped knee, I was disgusted that they would suggest I, being part of "men", like to watch two animals tear each other apart by any stretch of association. I'm really not feeling tolerant to double standards right now.
Back to Big Bang Theory though! It exists to exploit "nerd" stuff for cheap laughs, but it has to exploit the people which do those things. I don't watch BBT because I hate it, but I can understand why you want a more relateable character there. There shouldn't be a problem with a female character that's a normal gamer, and it can't be difficult to write one just as a person (but that wouldn't be as exploitable). It's probably the same feeling I had watching Supernatural where the two lead characters are both so bro-ful that they had a several season streak where their only emotions were obligation and anger.
In addition to that, I'm bothered by them portraying men self-segregating, even temporarily, as something that must be invaded by women and by the idea that a man must be ridiculed by the group the moment he agrees to a woman's suggestion, complete with sound effects and multiple laugh track plays.
...I think I've just reaffirmed my hatred of Big Bang Theory.
As for the latter issue: that's just the way things are. Society says it's acceptable to make men the butt of jokes that would be considered offensive were a woman in their place. It's because there's no (or at least much less) stigma for anyone not "getting" video games, but making fun of a woman for liking "nerdy guy stuff" is very thin ice, risking people thinking they were being mocked for being involved rather than for being nerds (though I think both are wrong.)
I realize that's a really black and white interpretation, but I just watched an episode of Bones where Hodgins is called out for an inappropriate generalization for asking "don't women like that?" and just stands there looking guilty and then a few scenes later, Angela (the resident free spirit speshul snowflake) says, in regard to dog fighting, "No, MEN do it." and then (the always right, prettier than everyone) Brennan chimes in with a "Yeah, MEN." while the male intern of the week... stands there and takes it, looking guilty. And they're never faulted for it. As someone that gets choked up whenever the Sarah McLaughlin sad puppies commercial comes on TV and gets that sympathetic, skin-crawling feeling seeing someone's scraped knee, I was disgusted that they would suggest I, being part of "men", like to watch two animals tear each other apart by any stretch of association. I'm really not feeling tolerant to double standards right now.
Back to Big Bang Theory though! It exists to exploit "nerd" stuff for cheap laughs, but it has to exploit the people which do those things. I don't watch BBT because I hate it, but I can understand why you want a more relateable character there. There shouldn't be a problem with a female character that's a normal gamer, and it can't be difficult to write one just as a person (but that wouldn't be as exploitable). It's probably the same feeling I had watching Supernatural where the two lead characters are both so bro-ful that they had a several season streak where their only emotions were obligation and anger.
In addition to that, I'm bothered by them portraying men self-segregating, even temporarily, as something that must be invaded by women and by the idea that a man must be ridiculed by the group the moment he agrees to a woman's suggestion, complete with sound effects and multiple laugh track plays.
...I think I've just reaffirmed my hatred of Big Bang Theory.
Wonderful blog. I don't watch the show (because it looks terrible), but you bring up some great points. For your sake (and the sake of the other masochists out there) I hope they start taking their female characters more seriously going forward!
Very good blog. I use to analyze sitcoms like this too, it lead me to stop watching them completely. Most sitcoms seem to share this theme of a female character that's always nagging (usually a wife) or a feminst-eqsuq character this is really bossy. The male character is usually some selfish jerk that has the sole redemming qualities of lifting heavy things, or it's some nice guy character that's a coward.
As with StealthMaster I never watched this show, and after watching those clips and reading this blog I never will.
As with StealthMaster I never watched this show, and after watching those clips and reading this blog I never will.
The most offensive part is that they were enjoying the Old Republic. Bioware paid for this episode, didn't they?
My response got a bit wordy, see here.
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/manasteel88/re-big-bang-bust-224042.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/manasteel88/re-big-bang-bust-224042.phtml
@Trev
'Nerd Blackface' is pretty much how I'd say the show is. Look at the characters: the nerd who can't speak to women, the sex-obsessed nerd with mommy issues, Leonard, who has a little anxiety and confidence issues but generally is probably the most grounded and realistic character, and Sheldon, who's the worst. A complete social failure and a disaster with women.
I don't think I have to explain that most nerds in real life, or at least most scientists, gamers, comic book fans etc are not like this. Yet people seem to think this is some sort of cross-section of nerd life. I'm astounded by how many people I know who love the show, yet don't think for a second to question how close (or far) it is to reality.
I thought that at the start of the series Penny would eventually adopt more nerdish tendencies and start becoming her own nerd, rather than an unwilling participant in the nerd activity du jour that Leonard drags her into. For a while it seemed like it was heading in this direction. And honestly I would have found that interesting because it would have subverted the still-widely held view of nerds as social pariahs who can't get a girlfriend. But instead all we got was 'they're watching babylon 5 lolz that is so funny coz they are nerds. Look at the nerds. Funny'. Penny, as an outsider to the nerd community could have been the perfect conduit to show the viewer that nerd's ain't so bad, once you get to know them. But instead of any meaningful exploration we got a nerd zoo.
They could have been nerdom's Will and Grace. Without Grace, it's just a show about how weird gay people are - another shallow stereotype. But with her the viewer can relate to the show.
Another big missed opportunity would be to subvert Penny's high opinion of herself. At the beginning, she clearly thinks she is too good for Leonard, who seems like a genuinely nice guy. The thing is, yeah she's a lot more hot than he is but he is smart and has a stable job, she is still thinking of herself as an actor out of work, which shows her delusion about her own place (she's only ever worked a couple of commercials). If not for Leonard being a nerd, which holds him back considerably in the romantic department, he would almost be too good for her. Being a nerd doesn't automatically make you a worse person, and someone should have shown Penny this - and in doing so shown the audience.
'Nerd Blackface' is pretty much how I'd say the show is. Look at the characters: the nerd who can't speak to women, the sex-obsessed nerd with mommy issues, Leonard, who has a little anxiety and confidence issues but generally is probably the most grounded and realistic character, and Sheldon, who's the worst. A complete social failure and a disaster with women.
I don't think I have to explain that most nerds in real life, or at least most scientists, gamers, comic book fans etc are not like this. Yet people seem to think this is some sort of cross-section of nerd life. I'm astounded by how many people I know who love the show, yet don't think for a second to question how close (or far) it is to reality.
I thought that at the start of the series Penny would eventually adopt more nerdish tendencies and start becoming her own nerd, rather than an unwilling participant in the nerd activity du jour that Leonard drags her into. For a while it seemed like it was heading in this direction. And honestly I would have found that interesting because it would have subverted the still-widely held view of nerds as social pariahs who can't get a girlfriend. But instead all we got was 'they're watching babylon 5 lolz that is so funny coz they are nerds. Look at the nerds. Funny'. Penny, as an outsider to the nerd community could have been the perfect conduit to show the viewer that nerd's ain't so bad, once you get to know them. But instead of any meaningful exploration we got a nerd zoo.
They could have been nerdom's Will and Grace. Without Grace, it's just a show about how weird gay people are - another shallow stereotype. But with her the viewer can relate to the show.
Another big missed opportunity would be to subvert Penny's high opinion of herself. At the beginning, she clearly thinks she is too good for Leonard, who seems like a genuinely nice guy. The thing is, yeah she's a lot more hot than he is but he is smart and has a stable job, she is still thinking of herself as an actor out of work, which shows her delusion about her own place (she's only ever worked a couple of commercials). If not for Leonard being a nerd, which holds him back considerably in the romantic department, he would almost be too good for her. Being a nerd doesn't automatically make you a worse person, and someone should have shown Penny this - and in doing so shown the audience.

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