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I feel that SSBM is more unbalanced simply because of people abusing wavedashing and the like. You have one level of people who play..well, "normally" and then those who are top-level competitors. I mean yeah, wavedashing and all is hard to do and it takes great manual dexterity to execute, but good lord.
*goes back to Brawl*
I feel that SSBM is more unbalanced simply because of people abusing wavedashing and the like. You have one level of people who play..well, "normally" and then those who are top-level competitors. I mean yeah, wavedashing and all is hard to do and it takes great manual dexterity to execute, but good lord.
*goes back to Brawl*
Have you ever played the Alpha series? It's pretty balanced, and a lot of the best players don't use Shotokans. Also, tiers help add depth to a game in my opinion, as long as they're done fairly, and EVERY fighting game has tiers except Brawl (Guilty Gear included).
Well , since my image doesn't appear , where the hell is THE SHARK hiding? I mean , we have the Examiner guy , Hoborg , the periodical no avatar guy that posts a lot of letter with links , this guy ... Hamza , you have a banhammer , ya know ...
I find it admirable how you managed to avoid turning this into a flamebait article.
Oh, wait...
Also, I disagree. I think that SF4 is nicely balanced. I've been stomped on by every character and I've done a bunch of stomping as well. The real problem that we're seeing is that online gamers seem to get locked into set strategies, so the majority of people play the characters with identical strategies only with varying levels of skill.
When people get stuck into these traps, that's when these tiers start to become more apparent. But throw in a whild card with an unorthodox play style, and it all changes. And that's the point. It's all about how you outplay your opponent. Vega will always have a chance to take down Sagat. That is balance. I can take down the cockiest of Ken fighters with ease, because it all comes down to creativity on the stick.
Change up your game a bit, and you may end up with different results.
Oh, wait...
Also, I disagree. I think that SF4 is nicely balanced. I've been stomped on by every character and I've done a bunch of stomping as well. The real problem that we're seeing is that online gamers seem to get locked into set strategies, so the majority of people play the characters with identical strategies only with varying levels of skill.
When people get stuck into these traps, that's when these tiers start to become more apparent. But throw in a whild card with an unorthodox play style, and it all changes. And that's the point. It's all about how you outplay your opponent. Vega will always have a chance to take down Sagat. That is balance. I can take down the cockiest of Ken fighters with ease, because it all comes down to creativity on the stick.
Change up your game a bit, and you may end up with different results.
The idea that you say ryu always beats balrog is pretty funny because I Haven't found a ryu or any shoto player yet that can consistently beat my balrog and i go to an arcade with some of the top players in the country. Thats really not a particularly difficult matchup for either side.
I'm not here to flame you and say things like L2P but really dude? Your whole arguement is based on the fact that people on xbox live play with ryu and Ken and they always beat you. It seems like that's the point you're trying to convey.
If you want to see other characters used, please support your local arcade and visit it.
Street fighter is an [i]arcade game[i] after all. You'd be lucky to find a person playing a familiar character like Ken. It seems like your real problem is with people on xbox live
being too lame and lazy to pick up an equally simple but foreign character like e Honda or
c viper. Characters with fireballs don't have an advantage they simply have a different kind of tool.
I'm not here to flame you and say things like L2P but really dude? Your whole arguement is based on the fact that people on xbox live play with ryu and Ken and they always beat you. It seems like that's the point you're trying to convey.
If you want to see other characters used, please support your local arcade and visit it.
Street fighter is an [i]arcade game[i] after all. You'd be lucky to find a person playing a familiar character like Ken. It seems like your real problem is with people on xbox live
being too lame and lazy to pick up an equally simple but foreign character like e Honda or
c viper. Characters with fireballs don't have an advantage they simply have a different kind of tool.
I really don't know why you made this blog honestly. You spout your grievances towards the street fighter series without hint of possible debate or discussion.
It's fine to not enjoy a game or genre, but it's really stupid to lambaste other people for liking a game that you don't. You've already made up your mind regarding the series so there is really no point for this blog to exist if you aren't honestly interested in hearing what people think.
It's fine to not enjoy a game or genre, but it's really stupid to lambaste other people for liking a game that you don't. You've already made up your mind regarding the series so there is really no point for this blog to exist if you aren't honestly interested in hearing what people think.
My problem with Street Fighter IV is that crouch blocking is too powerful. I think even throws go over their head? How the fuck do you hit them other than an air attack, in which case you'll probably get dragon punched. Oh, and there's nothing you can do to counter Zangief's 360s if he's near you, which normally wouldn't be too much of a problem but his EX burning fist is stupid fast and covers a ton of ground to close the distance too fast.
I personally prefer Tekken as well, but that has its problems also. Juggling in that game pisses me off, you lose almost 1/3 of your health from someone who knows a good juggle combo. Also, getting up is very difficult sometimes when someone knows how to keep knocking you down, and a match is often decided by whoever hits the ground first.
I personally prefer Tekken as well, but that has its problems also. Juggling in that game pisses me off, you lose almost 1/3 of your health from someone who knows a good juggle combo. Also, getting up is very difficult sometimes when someone knows how to keep knocking you down, and a match is often decided by whoever hits the ground first.
@Rab
Funny you should mention that: a Balrog beat my Ryu in the last Street Fighter Alpha 3 tourney I was in, years ago.
Funny you should mention that: a Balrog beat my Ryu in the last Street Fighter Alpha 3 tourney I was in, years ago.
@ran24 throws don't whiff over a crouched opponent. Someti
es it may look like it because of frame differences in the get up animations but nope. You want to either throw them or bait them out of crouch with a focus attack or something.
es it may look like it because of frame differences in the get up animations but nope. You want to either throw them or bait them out of crouch with a focus attack or something.
Fireball spam. It's cheap, it's annoying, it's lousy playing, and worst of all: it's common. However, this isn't cause to call the entire game (or the series) imbalanced.
I'm no stranger to heartache and frustration in Street Fighter. I play Guile. No quarter-circle fireballs for me, no dragon punch, and I'm painfully open to crossup characters like Ken or Vega. But I'm not foolish enough to assume a game lacks balance if I'm getting beaten; instead I treat it as a reason to get better. If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I'm looking for a reason, or a technique, that's dropping me. When you approach Street Fighter like that, it's pretty hard to say it's unbalanced. Certain things will always be cheap, but the game itself isn't terribly imbalanced.
I'm no stranger to heartache and frustration in Street Fighter. I play Guile. No quarter-circle fireballs for me, no dragon punch, and I'm painfully open to crossup characters like Ken or Vega. But I'm not foolish enough to assume a game lacks balance if I'm getting beaten; instead I treat it as a reason to get better. If I'm getting my ass handed to me, I'm looking for a reason, or a technique, that's dropping me. When you approach Street Fighter like that, it's pretty hard to say it's unbalanced. Certain things will always be cheap, but the game itself isn't terribly imbalanced.
@ Pyroph & De Bloo
wow I find it funny that you don't like the blog yet have really nothing to say in the form of an arguement.
@ Haxan
I can actually respect the fact that you back up you point with an arguement (unlike the 2 mentioned above), but I have to disagree. If I can't win an online match with El Fuente, Rufus,Dhaslim, or E.Honda then that's what I call unbalanced. If the game were balanced then we'd see El Fuente winning matches.
wow I find it funny that you don't like the blog yet have really nothing to say in the form of an arguement.
@ Haxan
I can actually respect the fact that you back up you point with an arguement (unlike the 2 mentioned above), but I have to disagree. If I can't win an online match with El Fuente, Rufus,Dhaslim, or E.Honda then that's what I call unbalanced. If the game were balanced then we'd see El Fuente winning matches.
@Steel Brotha,
You will have to excuse the others. They're replying to a tone that you started. Vitriol brings more vitriol, after all.
El Fuerte was the character used by the winner of the SF4 US Championship. My E. Honda generally gets a ton of respect. And when I go up against a Dhalsim or to a lesser extent, Rufus I actually get a bit scared.
There is something to be said finding a main and mastering him above all others. Most of the people that you're playing are doing just that. So giving a single character that extra attention will make all of the difference. "And then they will fear you."
But, whatevs. You're not down with Street Fighter, that's cool. You've got the fighting games that you're partial to, and at heart we all respect that. But throw a little respect in the opposite direction, and you'll get that back in return. Sylphx summed it up beautifully. A more reasoned approach would have made for a better debate.
You will have to excuse the others. They're replying to a tone that you started. Vitriol brings more vitriol, after all.
El Fuerte was the character used by the winner of the SF4 US Championship. My E. Honda generally gets a ton of respect. And when I go up against a Dhalsim or to a lesser extent, Rufus I actually get a bit scared.
There is something to be said finding a main and mastering him above all others. Most of the people that you're playing are doing just that. So giving a single character that extra attention will make all of the difference. "And then they will fear you."
But, whatevs. You're not down with Street Fighter, that's cool. You've got the fighting games that you're partial to, and at heart we all respect that. But throw a little respect in the opposite direction, and you'll get that back in return. Sylphx summed it up beautifully. A more reasoned approach would have made for a better debate.
I find that I'd rather fight just about anyone other than Dhalsim. He teleports and his attacks are weird to dodge. That may just be me. But as far as Soul Calibur and Tekken go it's pretty safe to say that the world's greatest player of either stands a pretty decent chance of losing to someone that's never played before and is pure button masher. 2D fighting games don't cater to button mashing and I enjoy that. However I must say aside from Street Fighter Alpha 2 and MVC or MVC2 I greatly prefer SNK fighting games or Guilty Gear. Overall a pretty good blog but I don't think you can say that Ken, Ryu, Sagat etc. are the best characters just because they are the most played. Honestly I love Ken. He's just one of the most appealing characters to me aside from Charlie from SFA2.
Ruffus is one of the best and easiest characters to use so you actually j
just kinda lost your own arguement.
just kinda lost your own arguement.
@Yojimbo,
That gives me an idea! I've been looking for an excuse to write a blog about BlazBlue just because I want an excuse to draw v-13. Since I suck at it, I may just have the hook I need to write it. :)
That gives me an idea! I've been looking for an excuse to write a blog about BlazBlue just because I want an excuse to draw v-13. Since I suck at it, I may just have the hook I need to write it. :)
Virtua Fighter > Tekken > Street Fighter.
Although I really like my Street Fighter, I enjoy myself some more "realistic" fighting games.
Although I really like my Street Fighter, I enjoy myself some more "realistic" fighting games.
Why not just blog about how much you like Tekken instead of doing petty shit like comparing sales figures, that doesn't emphasize your point. It only makes you look like you are grasping at straws. You are a dunce/new and only want to be flamed. Don't compare Tekken and SF to eachother (poorly I might add), it's silly.
i pretty much agree. street fighter is fun if neither or both players are playing ken/ryu but i hate them so much.
grew up with tekken 3, i understand your loving.
grew up with tekken 3, i understand your loving.
Thanks for the clarification RAB, but I still think it's overpowered because you must be a) VERY close to them or b) use a slow ass focus attack.
I like Tekken's/Soul Caliber's crouch blocks because you can always hit the blocker with a normal attack (mid/vertical attacks respectively), making turtling very hard to do.
I like Tekken's/Soul Caliber's crouch blocks because you can always hit the blocker with a normal attack (mid/vertical attacks respectively), making turtling very hard to do.
Just wanted to say.. have fun with your Tekken / Soul Calibur button mashing. Leave Street Figthter to those who care enough to learn how to play.
wow so much hate for my first blog. it's called an opinion people. sad thing is all of the people who respond in favour of SF probably do nothing but turtle and choose Ryu. also comments like "My E.Honda is respected" or "My Balrog beats Ryu" doesn't change the majority of how people play the game online. and to those people saying MVC2 is balanced, okay that's the one game in the entire series you can name? a spinoff being more balanced than the other games in the entire series diesn;t save the series. but if were gonna play the trolling game i'll just bring up SF3 and te scales tip.
@ran24 I said use the focus to BAIT him out of crouch. because then he either has to use a focus breaker or step back. in turn you can back, out of the focus attack and hit him as he's getting away or after he whiffs a big fat dragon punch infront of you and lands.
also @ steelbrotha i'll be back to deal with you in a minute. im about to eat a big fat steak and you're not about to keep my from my food :D
let me just say tho that your arguments seem like mostly bullshit. Like I said, ruffus is among one of the BEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME and is in many peoples opinions on the top tier of characters, meaning that if you cant win with him, you really are just kinda sucky at the game, dude.
also fuck marvel2. i'm not siding with that piece of shit game. you want balance? please go check out Capcom vs SNK 2. now there's a fucking excellent game.
fuck im so hungry brb
also @ steelbrotha i'll be back to deal with you in a minute. im about to eat a big fat steak and you're not about to keep my from my food :D
let me just say tho that your arguments seem like mostly bullshit. Like I said, ruffus is among one of the BEST CHARACTERS IN THE GAME and is in many peoples opinions on the top tier of characters, meaning that if you cant win with him, you really are just kinda sucky at the game, dude.
also fuck marvel2. i'm not siding with that piece of shit game. you want balance? please go check out Capcom vs SNK 2. now there's a fucking excellent game.
fuck im so hungry brb
and dude, please please FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD PLEASE, don't get the wrong impression and think that people are hating on you, it's just that the way you describe your gripes with the game, it just seems like you don't know how to play it well enough.
nobody is saying "lol u suck at life"
they're just saying that you're bad at SF4.
nobody is saying "lol u suck at life"
they're just saying that you're bad at SF4.
@ RAB
okay maybe ruffus is one of the best characters in the game but for about the 90th time THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE GAME UNBALANCED.One character outside of the usual Ryu clone being good does not change the roster into an equal territory. there's still El Fuerte,(maybe a US champ but not the #1 ranked online character, and really what gets played more tournaments or online), Bison(who can't win a match without spamming his low heavy kick), Abel, Blanka(shock move spam),and Dhaslim who bring the games roster to it's unbalanced state.
now for those saying that Soul Calibur and tekken are button mashing games, really, grow a pair and learn how to parry in both games. you can't button mash in tekken unless you use eddy gordo. you can't button mash in SC when one of the face buttons is the block button.Tekken's roster is over 30 fighters all different,(unlike SF's 5 ryu clones) as is SC. sad thing is i could probably beat those of you guys claiming that I suck at SF in a game of SF with Dan Hikibi. Go back to being one of the 2 million that bought SF4 while I be one of the 5 million on Tekken 5. The tekken series has outsold SF for a reason.
okay maybe ruffus is one of the best characters in the game but for about the 90th time THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE GAME UNBALANCED.One character outside of the usual Ryu clone being good does not change the roster into an equal territory. there's still El Fuerte,(maybe a US champ but not the #1 ranked online character, and really what gets played more tournaments or online), Bison(who can't win a match without spamming his low heavy kick), Abel, Blanka(shock move spam),and Dhaslim who bring the games roster to it's unbalanced state.
now for those saying that Soul Calibur and tekken are button mashing games, really, grow a pair and learn how to parry in both games. you can't button mash in tekken unless you use eddy gordo. you can't button mash in SC when one of the face buttons is the block button.Tekken's roster is over 30 fighters all different,(unlike SF's 5 ryu clones) as is SC. sad thing is i could probably beat those of you guys claiming that I suck at SF in a game of SF with Dan Hikibi. Go back to being one of the 2 million that bought SF4 while I be one of the 5 million on Tekken 5. The tekken series has outsold SF for a reason.
Bison is a fucking excellent character dude. honestly stop embarrassing yourself. he can't win without "spamming his sweep" SERIOUSLY??
NOBODY intelligent uses that shitty ass move, you just get hit by it because you FUCKING SUCK
I'm done arguing with you. It's already been established that you really don't know how to play the game and you're upset that you lose all the time.
/thread
NOBODY intelligent uses that shitty ass move, you just get hit by it because you FUCKING SUCK
I'm done arguing with you. It's already been established that you really don't know how to play the game and you're upset that you lose all the time.
/thread
Im sorry but ill feed the troll this time. Let's adress your points by parts.
"@ Haxan
I can actually respect the fact that you back up you point with an arguement (unlike the 2 mentioned above), but I have to disagree. If I can't win an online match with El Fuente, Rufus,Dhaslim, or E.Honda then that's what I call unbalanced. If the game were balanced then we'd see El Fuente winning matches."
Go to arcade infinity in california play Kai he plays el fuerte. AI is one of the best arcades in the country and hes one of the best there. Online doesnt mean shit.
"okay maybe ruffus is one of the best characters in the game but for about the 90th time THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE GAME UNBALANCED".
Rufus is used by justin wong the best player in america he won the gamestop tournament and recently in a tourney called devastation he won mvc2, tvc, sf3 and sf4 he mains rufus but he plays most of the cast. He used Rufus during all the tournament until he picked Abel in the last match.
"One character outside of the usual Ryu clone being good does not change the roster into an equal territory. there's still El Fuerte,(maybe a US champ but not the #1 ranked online character, and really what gets played more tournaments or online)"
Playing online is like porn you do things you otherwise wouldnt do in real life.
"Bison(who can't win a match without spamming his low heavy kick), Abel, Blanka(shock move spam),and Dhaslim who bring the games roster to it's unbalanced state."
Every character in the game is playable in tourneys except maybe some console characters. Mike Ross is an excellent Honda he won the most recent ranbat in sf4. He used to play marvel.
"now for those saying that Soul Calibur and tekken are button mashing games, really, grow a pair and learn how to parry in both games. you can't button mash in tekken unless you use eddy gordo. you can't button mash in SC when one of the face buttons is the block button.Tekken's roster is over 30 fighters all different,(unlike SF's 5 ryu clones) as is SC. sad thing is i could probably beat those of you guys claiming that I suck at SF in a game of SF with Dan Hikibi. Go back to being one of the 2 million that bought SF4 while I be one of the 5 million on Tekken 5. The tekken series has outsold SF for a reason." You know that you can parry in sf3 right? Go to japan that mechanic makes most of the cast useful they even use low tier characters like Q and 13.
So get the fuck out! Thanks.
I dont play tekken or soul calibur and i dont spread lies about them. You dont play sf so stop spreading lies. Then again you seem to think online is more important than tourneys. Oh well enjoy your oki game.
"@ Haxan
I can actually respect the fact that you back up you point with an arguement (unlike the 2 mentioned above), but I have to disagree. If I can't win an online match with El Fuente, Rufus,Dhaslim, or E.Honda then that's what I call unbalanced. If the game were balanced then we'd see El Fuente winning matches."
Go to arcade infinity in california play Kai he plays el fuerte. AI is one of the best arcades in the country and hes one of the best there. Online doesnt mean shit.
"okay maybe ruffus is one of the best characters in the game but for about the 90th time THAT DOESN'T MAKE THE GAME UNBALANCED".
Rufus is used by justin wong the best player in america he won the gamestop tournament and recently in a tourney called devastation he won mvc2, tvc, sf3 and sf4 he mains rufus but he plays most of the cast. He used Rufus during all the tournament until he picked Abel in the last match.
"One character outside of the usual Ryu clone being good does not change the roster into an equal territory. there's still El Fuerte,(maybe a US champ but not the #1 ranked online character, and really what gets played more tournaments or online)"
Playing online is like porn you do things you otherwise wouldnt do in real life.
"Bison(who can't win a match without spamming his low heavy kick), Abel, Blanka(shock move spam),and Dhaslim who bring the games roster to it's unbalanced state."
Every character in the game is playable in tourneys except maybe some console characters. Mike Ross is an excellent Honda he won the most recent ranbat in sf4. He used to play marvel.
"now for those saying that Soul Calibur and tekken are button mashing games, really, grow a pair and learn how to parry in both games. you can't button mash in tekken unless you use eddy gordo. you can't button mash in SC when one of the face buttons is the block button.Tekken's roster is over 30 fighters all different,(unlike SF's 5 ryu clones) as is SC. sad thing is i could probably beat those of you guys claiming that I suck at SF in a game of SF with Dan Hikibi. Go back to being one of the 2 million that bought SF4 while I be one of the 5 million on Tekken 5. The tekken series has outsold SF for a reason." You know that you can parry in sf3 right? Go to japan that mechanic makes most of the cast useful they even use low tier characters like Q and 13.
So get the fuck out! Thanks.
I dont play tekken or soul calibur and i dont spread lies about them. You dont play sf so stop spreading lies. Then again you seem to think online is more important than tourneys. Oh well enjoy your oki game.
All the characters you mention, by the way, have devastating capabilities. Abel has one of the meanest ultras in the game, able (lol) to link it off of a simple down/fierce, plus all his tricky rolls, throws and rekkas. He's almost as dangerous as zangief.
Blanka is one of the most annoying characters in the game, not simply because of the electricity (which is a SHIT move to begin with, because you can be ULTRA'D and SUPER'D ON REACTION) but his normal attacks are dangerous and mean as well. Anti Air blanka ball is ridiculous, plus he's one of the strongest characters in the game with just normal punches and kicks. Also absolutely unquestionably has the strongest ultra in the game and can do a fucking AMBIGUOUS crossup with it which can be basically unblockable.
Some of the top players in the country use dhalsim, his range and pokes are deadly and honestly, after looking at all of this in retrospect, it seems like YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
People like YOU who are too LAZY to learn how to play anybody but the shotos like Ryu and Ken.
YOU are at fault here.
Learn to play as somebody else. Just because YOU can't win with them doesn't mean that nobody can.
Blanka is one of the most annoying characters in the game, not simply because of the electricity (which is a SHIT move to begin with, because you can be ULTRA'D and SUPER'D ON REACTION) but his normal attacks are dangerous and mean as well. Anti Air blanka ball is ridiculous, plus he's one of the strongest characters in the game with just normal punches and kicks. Also absolutely unquestionably has the strongest ultra in the game and can do a fucking AMBIGUOUS crossup with it which can be basically unblockable.
Some of the top players in the country use dhalsim, his range and pokes are deadly and honestly, after looking at all of this in retrospect, it seems like YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
People like YOU who are too LAZY to learn how to play anybody but the shotos like Ryu and Ken.
YOU are at fault here.
Learn to play as somebody else. Just because YOU can't win with them doesn't mean that nobody can.
