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My Generation Really Needs to Get Over Invader Zim
SimonSaysDie | 5:27 PM on 01.04.2010 66 comments


I am not a member of the The Escapist Forums. On a scale of one to retarded they fall somewhere between Paris Hilton and Donald Trump (wheras Destructoid is merely between Steve Jobs and Peter Molyneux), which is a bit lower than most gamer forums dip. That said, when they ran a poll of the best post-2000 kids' cartoons, I was disturbed when Invader Zim overwhelmingly topped it.

What's worse is that this is not a phenomenon unique to the Escapist. Oh, no, go onto DeviantArt, Myspace, and any given site that markets to the subcultures of generation Y, and you will find an overwhelming amount of support for that brave little cartoon, canceled after only two seasons. "They just didn't understand Invader Zim," complains the pudgy goth girl with the superfluous nose piercing, "it was too edgy for kids so they canceled it." Meanwhile, the gamer guy in the headphones that I take the bus with notes that, "Jhonen Vasquez was a really subversive artist, and the corporation"-he emphasizes 'corporation' to establish how much he hates Nickelodeon-"put him down for expressing himself." The "Edgy" crowd leans toward referencing the "Dark Harvest" episode, wherein Zim harvests organs from the children in his class, whereas the "art and expression" crowd tends to draw comparisons between Zim and Vasquez's indie comics work, most notably Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.



Let me get this out of the way, first. I love Invader Zim. I own all of the DvDs. I've got some Zim merchandise hanging around somewhere. I can give you quotes from basically all of the episodes. However, somewhere along the line my generation got it into their heads that Invader Zim was the end-all, be-all of cartoons, and set Jhonen Vasquez up to be some kind of martyr figure, and this is both ignorant and a complete and total fallacy. This is not up for discussion.

And as someone who has spent his entire life studying animation, I take this very, very personally.

First and foremost, it was canceled because it was needlessly expensive and time-consuming. Was this the corporation's (hiss) fault? Hardly. Jhonen Vasquez, as an artist mostly experienced in the two-dimensional, comic image, was not properly trained in rendering his characters in a 3-D environment. Now, though Invader Zim is a two-dimensional cartoon in the strictest sense, every cartoon needs to be able to properly render its character in three dimensions to facilitate smooth actions. Very basic smooth actions. Like, you know, running, or turning around. Vasquez didn't have the proper experience in this sort of thing, so a lot of the character animation process was basically him dictating back and forth between designers and animators, unable to do enough of the work himself. This, in turn, made the series completely unnecessarily difficult to produce, because they couldn't go directly from the concept art to the show; they had to turn Vasquez's concept art into workable, usable art, and THEN work that into the show. Basically, Nick either had to cut out the creator or sacrifice the show, and they chose the latter. Even now the animations look jerky and crude in comparison to a lot of the other works of the time.



Secondly, it was canceled because if you take an indie artist and put him in a mainstream studio and force him to do mainstream things, he becomes a combative asshole. I have it from a good source (in this case, a former head animator from the show, who also taught me quite a lot more of what I know about the industry) that Vasquez regularly butted heads with his studio "superiors" because they were exercising too much control over what was, in essence, his brainchild. Now, I know that this is moving Vasquez closer to martyr territory again, but that's just the problem. In the animation industry-in TV in general-you have to deal with the studio keeping your show appealing to all. That involves editing it. That involves changing it. If you go into a studio setting, you have to be cooperative and accept the changes. That didn't happen with Invader Zim. Instead, Vasquez told off the people who were filling his paycheck, which is moronic. You may idolize the guy for being "anti-authority," but if you had to hire some too-cool for school douchebag to work under your management, you'd probably fire him after the umpteenth, "no, you may be my boss but I'm not doing things your way," too.

So please, people. Invader Zim was not the best cartoon ever. It was a decent cartoon with a troubled man heading it, that most of you have romanticized in retrospect because of its comparatively dark humor and quick cancellation. If you're looking for excellence in cartoons, here's what I'd much sooner turn you on to:



Samurai Jack, a stunning and utterly beautiful experiment in animation and its capacity to amaze, ran for four full seasons and an Emmy, and yet I never hear anyone mentioning it these days. This is a shame, because it was groundbreaking exactly where a show like Invader Zim was not.



Spongebob Squarepants, which is decidedly mainstream (hiss!) and still running today, is popular among children and adults for a very good reason. It's silly, it's entertaining, and it's honestly endearing. I would even go so far as to say that it's better than most of the cartoons that I grew up with in the 90s, such as Johnny Bravo or The Powerpuff Girls.



If you're going to complain about a cartoon canceled after two seasons, complain about Megas XLR, the stellar parody of the giant-robo genre. Though I wouldn't say that it has the lasting appeal of Spongebob or the artistic merit of Jack, it took everything we anime fans held dear and thrashed it a new one to a punk rock soundtrack. It made me grow hair on my chest with its fight scenes, and the subtle, referential humor (and big, bombastic humor) always kept me laughing.

So please, people. Stop humming the "doom song" as you browse Hot Topic. In Biblical terms, all you're doing is worshipping a golden calf.



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DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 18:52
DaedHead8
Great blog, I like Zim but I definitely see it for what it really is. I've always been more partial to Rocko's Modern Life, Rugrats and Hey Arnold! when it comes to Nick shows. Also, I fapped for you mention of Samurai Jack, best Cartoon Network show ever, it also spawned a halfway decent PS2 game IIRC.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 18:55
Xzyliac
This article kicks ass. And if given the choice I'd probably revive Megas before Zim anyway. I love Invader Zim, it's my favorite show of all time, but as you've pointed out the marriage of Nick/Viacom and Vasquez was just too unholy of a union. MTV and Vasquez might've faired better but the same results were inevitable.

Plus Megas was just getting an epic and consistent plot dammit. It definitely could've been adapted for a theatrical outing at some point.
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:05
RonBurgandy2010
MEGAS XLR WAS THE SHIT!!!!!!

Anyway, I love Invader Zim. I actually have a large painting of GIR made by my talented cousin hanging above my bed. I don't, however, idolize it. It was a great show, very freaking funny.

Also, I listened to all the commentaries from the DVDs, and it's obvious that the show was not what the creator wanted to do. If you compare the early episodes such as "Dark Harvest" (since you mentioned it) to later episodes in the series, he wanted the show to be much darker. I think he was excited at first at the fact that he was going to be making a show, but then later found out that kids television is not the place to be edgy. The tragedy of Zim is not that "The Man" shut a brilliant artist down for being too confrontational with modern society, as many fans would like to believe. The tragedy is in the fact that a show so different and creative, relying on comedy not often used in kids TV, was cut short due to low ratings and large budgets. Because, in the end, that's what really kills a show, not artistic statements. It's all about the Benjamins, every time. If Nick had a show in which racially stereotypical characters shot feces at each other in an odd visualization of the conflict between the cultures of different races, Nick couldn't care less as long as it was making money.
Khazar222's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:10
Khazar222
@Simon, Great to see reference to both Samurai Jack AND Megas XLR? Tell me, is there any plans to release Megas on DVD? I've been meaning to get Samurai Jack on DVD at some point, I'm glad to see it mentioned here. Probably one of my favorite TV shows ever, and one that had a huge influence on myself and virtually every other fan of it I've ever talked to.
GEMPadre036's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:16
GEMPadre036
I loved Zim, but I don't see the big deal about Vasquez. I've read some of his work like Johnny, and in my opinion it isn't that good. It gets pretty annoying when you have friends who practically worship the ground he walks on.
Indeed, if I chose to revive a show, Megas XLR would win. It's nice to know other people enjoy it as well.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:31
ace of knaves
I dig giant robots.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:48
PappaDukes
I never understood Invader Zim either. I have a friend who is rather obsessed with the show, and I had to sit and watch both seasons front to back. Needless to say, I wanted to claw my eyes out of my skull and fill my ear canals with cement.
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 19:55
ProperlyParanoid
I really liked Invader Zim, funny cartoon. Megas XLR was also amazing.

If you like cartoons, go watch Flapjack, as it is awesome.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:15
grafkhun
I agree, Invader Zim is good, but some fans of it take it way too far. Although I don't many overly zealous fans of the show, it's cult group is quite ravenous.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:17
Jim Sterling
This was a fantastic article, and very, very insightful. I disagree about the Spongebob thing (I just don't think it's funny in the slightest) but otherwise, this was great reading.
ScanCase's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:18
ScanCase
I had no problem with your argument until you said Spongebob was a better show.
DarkTravesty's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:21
DarkTravesty
+1 for samurai jack also another great cartoon
vApathyv's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:22
vApathyv
As much as I love both the show and Vasquez's comics, I gotta agree with you. He knew what he was getting himself into when signing on with Nickelodeon of all companies. He couldn't have been so ridiculously naive that he expected them to just completely leave him free to be as dark and twisted as he wanted to. It was a children's network...and yes, though I personally found it to be freaking hilarious when it was first around (And still do), many of my friends simply didn't get it. Granted, I was a lot more mature then most people my age back then, but that's the problem- He was attempting to market dark, mature humor off to younger children, and that simply won't ever work out.

That all being said though, I fucking love Megas XLR and I'm still pissed at Cartoon Network for killing that off! Hell, they even ignored the gigantic DVD petition list, those assholes. COME ON CARTOON NETWORK, WE! DIG! GIANT ROBOTS! That channel can't do much of anything right anymore...well, aside from Flapjack (Which I hear is about to get cancelled too, unfortunately) and the previews I saw for some other new cartoon airing during the Looney Tunes marathon on New Year's day. Oh, what I wouldn't give for a grand animated renaissance...
Sonic9jct's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:29
Sonic9jct
Spongebob WAS funny until Stephen Hillenburg left the show after the film. Before that, it was essentially the same team as Rocko's Modern Life. In fact, Spongebob is borderline 90's, albeit late.
ZServ's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 20:32
ZServ
Zim was meh.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 21:05
the GAMEGOBLIN
I never "got" Zim. It was funny, sure, but I never saw what everyone was making a fuss over. I guess it was a cartoon goth kids could watch without being made fun of by other goth kids.

Now Megas XLR was ahead of it's time. I think if it came out now it'd be a lot more successful. That's not saying it was bad before though, shit XLR was fucking awesome.

Also, videogames
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 21:11
Tron
I never really cared for Zim. Mostly because people who complain about mainstream stuff liked it.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 21:11
Mike Moran
You'd have to tell me what sort of changes they were trying to make to the show before I could say if it was fair or not for Vasquez to have been butting heads over it. I like the show how it is. I would need to know what kind of changes people were trying to impose upon it.

They were paying him though, yeah. Still they had to have put up for him as long as they did because what he made was good. Interesting to hear that financial reasons were part of why the show was canceled.
Clarke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 21:12
Clarke
TL;DR

It's still a decent show. I'm not going to not like something just because it's popular.
PsychoMantis's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 21:52
PsychoMantis
Invader Zim to me always had the taint of "mainstream counterculture" all the fans i ran into were hot topic shopping douchebags. One of the best cartoons of last decade was Courage the Cowardly Dog. As a kid, i could always count of Courage to overcome hiw fears and get shit done. Not to mention it had "Kats" one of the coolest villians of any cartoon. Courage FTW!
Toadofsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 22:17
Toadofsky
I honestly agree with a lot of this blog! But I didn't know Vasquez butt heads with the company.

You should read some of John K.'s blog (he created Ren and Stimpy), he's a complete jerk. Half the time in his blog, he gripes about other companies work, or trashes other cartoons/animated films, and how animation is so far away from children.

And this was coming from a guy who has done hardly anything for kids. Sorry, Ren and Stimpy hit a VERY fine line between adult and kids, when it wasn't censored.

I think this is where "artists" (even in the game industry), need to come to terms with how they can become a success. I don't mean sacrifice everything you love about your creation, but keeping in mind the audience, or POTENTIAL audience, is a necessity.
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 22:58
mourning orange
I feel old now.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:12
wanderingpixel
I don't think you give Vazquez enough credit. The show was expensive, but really, Nickelodeon should have known what they were getting into when they hired him. Perhaps Zim would have fared better on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim? Though they are pretty cheap themselves.

Also, Venture Bros. is currently the best cartoon on TV.

Also, also, Megas XLR BEYOTCH!

Also, also, also, it's great to see I'm not the only one who remembers Samurai Jack. The use of only color without outlines was genius.

I'm a pretty big animation guy myself, we should grab a drink sometime and watch a Pixar flick.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:14
Tony Ponce
Excellent. I'm moved.

I like the show, yeah, but I don't worship the animators' eraser shavings or anything.

THIS is my favorite cartoon as of late:
Phineas and Ferb
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:14
wanderingpixel
About Courage the Cowardly Dog. Whatever happened to Dilworth? Also, I heard that they were bringing it back. Though maybe it's just a rumor.
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:23
Grimspoon
Excellent post. I wasn't expecting such a quality post going in.

/golfer's clap.

All I really wanted to contribute was this:

Your generation needs to get over... random as a form of comedy. It's just not comedy.

That's pretty much it.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:30
Xzyliac
Your generation needs to get over... random as a form of comedy. It's just not comedy.

I've been trying to agree with this but I think random has a place. Just shouldn't be the spotlight of the humor.

I'm looking at you Family Guy.
Ace829's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:35
Ace829
PhychoMantis
"Invader Zim to me always had the taint of "mainstream counterculture" all the fans i ran into were hot topic shopping douchebags. One of the best cartoons of last decade was Courage the Cowardly Dog. As a kid, i could always count of Courage to overcome hiw fears and get shit done. Not to mention it had "Kats" one of the coolest villians of any cartoon. Courage FTW!"
This.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:37
Shin Oni
Samurai Jack? lol ehhh. the movie that started the series was good and the first few episodes were good. I gave up after that.

Spongebob? Early episodes were good. After like Season 3 or so, the show got really shitty and stuff they did was just horrible.

While I understand both sides of the "invader zim" situation, I don't blame Vasquez for leaving. I understand he didn't want Nick to screw with his child and he's not really wrong for it. It's just a simple "GTFO then if you can't work with the team" deal. No one's really wrong here. It's simple business.

Zim's good, but I didn't think it was "THE CARTOON OF ALL TIME TO BE PRAISED" that people make it.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:46
Joanna Mueller
Never watched it, but it's great to finally understand what all the fuss was about.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:50
Havoc Fang
This blog has mind blowing nostalgia pictures. Megas XLR? Hell YES.
GiftofGab's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:57
GiftofGab
I barely remember seeing Megas XLR. But I shall go and find it now. Also, I love Invader Zim, and while i think the creator may have had issues, the work itself that I watched, especially the characters, made the show great for me. Is it the answer to "the mainstream"? Absolutely not. Was it funny to me and should have been around for longer? Absolutely. Its just too bad the creator couldn't keep it going.
GiftofGab's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/04/2010 23:58
GiftofGab
I barely remember seeing Megas XLR. But I shall go and find it now. Also, I love Invader Zim, and while i think the creator may have had issues, the work itself that I watched, especially the characters, made the show great for me. Is it the answer to "the mainstream"? Absolutely not. Was it funny to me and should have been around for longer? Absolutely. Its just too bad the creator couldn't keep it going.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 00:04
garison
Yes, I'm kind of in love with Invader Zim. Though it is known to be idolized by the "emoscenekids" (sick) I have a great respect for Jhonan Vasquez. I love how different Zim is.

And ya, I agree, Spongebob is kind of amazing. It recently celebrated it's 10 year birthday!
Victor Stillwater's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 00:23
Victor Stillwater
I heard that chicks dig giant robots... Is that true?
SimonSaysDie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 00:27
SimonSaysDie
Man, I completely forgot about Courage the Cowardly Dog. Courage was a serious bro. I legitimately should have mentioned him as the fourth recommended cartoon of the 2000's.

@Khazar222: No, Cartoon Network was too cheap to market Megas DvDs. You can get Megas off of Itunes, however.

@Jim Sterling and ScanCase: I do not personally enjoy Spongebob as much as Megas or Jack, but that's merely because it's not my "style," so to speak. I still consider it to be a real milestone in the history of TV cartoons, similar to a lower-age-group "Simpsons" in its scope, standard of quality, and marketability.

@Sonic9jct: I agree, Spongebob was considerably better for the first few seasons. However, how are we to know that Zim, Megas, or even Jack wouldn't have faced the same decline, when none of the three made it over four seasons (and only one even made it to three)?

@Grimspoon and Xzyliac: I personally hold random to be a very cheap form of comedy. I laugh at it, but I don't feel intellectually stimulated by it, so it's hard for me to maintain entertainment when I'm confronted with purely random media.

@Wry Guy: The series was going to take a much more idealistic and 'heroic,' if you will, direction, while also gaining a more streamlined plot. The "Resisty" would become a legitimate force for good and start to topple the Irken Empire, and the Tallest would be revealed as actually being the shortest, but just wearing robot suits, and thus dethroned.

@WanderingPixel: The Venture Bros. is my favorite show on TV, but it has no place in an article about kid's cartoons.

@Clarke: Your loss.
SimonSaysDie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 01:06
SimonSaysDie
Wow, I checked to see if I could fap my own thing and it worked. Now I feel like a douche.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 01:45
Usedtabe
2 Stupid Dogs. Loved that show. Great blog
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 02:39
Char Aznable
Aww, isn't that cute, Usedtabe. BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 04:04
Usedtabe
@Char: We'll have to settle this in Street Fighter.
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 06:02
randombullseye
I have to say, I don't love invader Zim. It's ok. I don't hate it. I hate people that are way to into it. And I hate that it seems merchandised to death.

You can argue Spongebob is worse, but spongebob isn't championed as this indie underground whatever like Zim was.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 09:58
Occams electric toothbrush
Invader Zim would've been a great show if I were 15 and had no sense of taste. But since I'm now 15 and a half and have looked past basic cable for a sense of taste, the show is maybe possibly less interesting to me than Family Guy, which is something I didn't think was possible.

Also, could Inavder Zim become the next Nightmare Before Xmas in terms of marketing? They will put Jack Skellington's face on literally anything and sell it nowadays. I mean, the only thing I haven't seen yet is a Jack Skellington baby coffin (but I gots hope). I already have seen way too many Invader Zim arm bands, t-shirts, etc for my liking.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 10:42
zombiekiller13
I couldn't agree more - I love Invader Zim for what it was: a (I hate the word, but it's the best I could come up with) wacky kids cartoon. Was it the best? No, but it greatly amused me and I liked it enough to buy the DVDs.

Actually witnessing people get down on their knees and worship the cartoon and the Hot Topic merchandise (yep, seen it done) is insane.

Also...Courage rocked. Whenever I see it on, I flip to the channel so me and my son can watch it. Too bad it was canceled.
nekobun's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 10:52
nekobun
Great read. I agree with the mindlessness of the obsession, and it kind of saddens me that Zim now suffers Monty Python syndrome, in that people quote it excessively rather than putting any effort into being genuinely funny, and therefore are complete douchehats.

The symptoms appear to have faded, but that could just be because I avoid hives of those who would do that sort of thing anymore.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 11:09
Elsa
An interesting read... especially as I have absolutely no idea what an "Invader Zim" is, or was.

... though I do miss "Tripping the Rift" and am sad it got canceled... though I guess it was never a kid's cartoon and it's unlikely to evoke childhood memories for anyone!LOL!
Avalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 11:29
Avalon
Thak you for putting something that's been troubling me for the last two years into one blog post.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 11:50
GoldenGamerXero
I think all those cartoons (Excluding Spongebob's later seasons) are fantastic and I watched them all from start to finish week after week till their eventual cancellation. Especially Megas!

I was about 10 when I first watched that show and I was hooked from the beginning. People think that kids that age can't appreciate that kind of show but me and my sister were even younger than that when we watched Zim.
Isay Isay's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 11:51
Isay Isay
Episode XL of Samurai Jack is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen
SimonSaysDie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 12:07
SimonSaysDie
@Isay Isay; the Samurai vs. Ninja Episode was artistically brilliant, but stylistically I've always been partial to XXXV "Jack and the Haunted House" (Nightmare fuel!), XXVIII "Jack and the Rave," XXXVI "Jack, the Monks, and the Ancient Master's Son," XXIV "Jack is Naked," and XXIX "The Good, the Bad, and the Beautiful."

Plot-wise, at least three episodes left me in tears. Namely, episode X "Jack and the Lava Monster," XIX "Jack Remembers the Past," and XLIV "The Princess and the Bounty Hunters."
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 12:59
Holyetheline
This is a great blog. I really enjoyed Zim as well but see the faults in the animation process and everything else. My favorite Nickelodeon show, however, has always been Rocko's Modern Life.... I'll always love that show.
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