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Vigilante xbox bannings?
Simmons 2pt0 | 10:32 PM on 12.08.2009 54 comments


I, like many people, enjoy playing with my friends online be it on xbox live, Playstation Network, or whatever the Wii has these days. I have a few friends that enjoy talking "trash" and while it is harmless and never amounts to anything, we found out the hard way that running into the wrong person can land you in some hot water.



I was playing Capture the Flag on Modern Warfare 2 on the night of December 4, 2009 with 4 other friends. We hold ourselves on high as good players that rarely lose and speak out against glitching and any sort of cheaters at all, because we're here to have fun and if we win, we want the win to be fair. Anywho, we were winding down for the night, on about a 12 win streak when we ran across two gentlemen (grouchyTRICKY and The Pro) that accused us of "Javelin glitching" and we responded that it in fact was not any of us and to report our teammate that was doing it. The random left the game probably in hopes that he wouldn't be reported, and my friend retorted "You're still probably going to lose." It was at that time when grouchy informed us "he knows someone that can ban us, do you guys want to get banned?" Laughing it off because we had been threatened with this countless times my friend said "What does your uncle work for Infinity Ward?" he replied with "Just wait, he just has to pick up the phone, you'll be banned by the end of this game." We continued to laugh into the game thinking nothing of it.

We played the first round, everything was going well, one of my friends (RavlngPsycho) was going about 24-0, and he was ecstatic because he had just prestiged, was only level 20 and didn't have any of the weapons he was used to having but still managed a fantastic killstreak. My other friend had 3 flag caps (Just Phokus) and was managing to get quite a few kills as well. We were winning about 7 caps to 0 when the last few seconds of the game came around and Just Phokus had the flag running to get one last capture in when he got booted from the game. Being surprised by Ravlngpsycho's impressive 35-0 kill to death ratio we didn't really notice he was gone. We got back into the lobby and grouchyTricky proceeded to as "WHO ELSE WANTS TO GET BANNED? RAVING PSYCHO, RAVINGPSYCHO?" As a sidenote, Ravlngpsycho has his family settings so he can't hear, nor can he talk to anybody so he has no idea someone is yelling at him.



We backed out of the game to get Phokus back into our party when one of my friends gets a phone call from him. His words echoed through the speakerphone "Dude, I'm banned for 2 weeks." We were a bit shocked but nonetheless we laughed it off as a joke, until quickly Ravlngpsycho was booted from our party. Seconds later he called me with the same grim news. "I got banned for 2 weeks, for nothing. What happened last game?" I wasn't quite sure what had happened at all.

The next day Psycho was not happy about this banning at all because truthfully, he had done nothing, he physically couldn't trash talk, and he couldn't have javelin glitched because he hadn't even died that game, so he took it to the xbox forums to get an answer.

He wrote to them

I was playing Modern Warfare 2 with four other friends tonight and got banned and I don't know why. I have family settings on my account and cannot hear anyone else talking but apparently this player [MOD EDIT] whom we beat several times was getting very upset with my friends and particularly me for killing him a lot. He said he had an uncle who worked for Infinity Ward and could have us banned by the end of the game, two of my friends started getting into it with him and we went into another game, towards the end of the game one of my friends got banned and after the game I got banned. I never spoke to the kid nor did I realize he was speaking to me but I have not been cheating, I don't have a bio and this kid definitely had something to do with me getting banned. If you could please let me know why I was banned I would like to clear this up, thanks. My account name is Ravlngpsycho.

The Pro answered with

[i]He said no such thing. I was there. *You* said "Don't tell me, you have an Uncle that works there and is gonna get me banned right?" when you were told by another player to stop the glitching.

It has nothing to do with the fact that you were killing someone, it's *how* you were doing it that violated the Terms of Use. Your suspension will stand as issued.[/i]

It seemed strange that they decided to single him out but things became stranger when we kept an eye on the forums and it wasn't just us that were running into The Pro and his banning ways.

Someone wrote from a temporary account saying

i was suspended last night at around 3am which from what so did many others, for a reason that wasn't specified to me. but from what i've heard, most of the suspensions that took place at that hour last night are for cheating/glitching/modding in modern warfare 2.

i read your forum post, and saw that it said "just one complaint of cheating and evidence" will get me suspended for cheating. i checked, and my profile is not code of conducted, and my gamertag HarDRocK369 isn't being told to be changed either. i don't use modded controllers or aim bots, and i don't exploit glitches in the game. i'm lead to believe with the amount of people banned you did not actually gather evidence, and wrongfully suspended me on assumptions alone. and i also just recently purchased live time for a month because that is what i could afford, and that is now wasted because by the time i get back i'll have about a week or so left.

i'd like to know what the reason for my suspension is, if cheating what 'evidence' you had gathered, and who besides these forums i could call and speak to about this because i'm very angry about this.

Again The Pro answered

The evidence is I saw you glitching. I was there. Other players were even telling you not to do it, and you persisted. You further made some, shall I say "interesting" statements between rounds that in and of themselves deserved a suspension.

If you want to maximize your online playing time, adhere to the Terms of Use.



While that may usually be excused by myself as some sort of cheater trying to weasle his way out of a banning, later that night he came back and posted again on the forums. The post included that fact that he wasn't a high enough level to even javelin glitch and about the "interesting" statements, he was playing ground war so he could stay in a party with his friends so he didn't have to listen or talk to anyone. This guy had the exact same problem as Psycho and had received severe punishment for absolutely nothing at all.

Soon after, Ravlngpsycho tried to contact The Pro, and the other enforcement member Bootblack by PM to see if he could work something out or tell them his case and how he hadn't done anything at all. Turns out that they have no reason, nor time to answer your questions.



Being fed up with the fact that there was no help anywhere in sight and the enforcement team seems to ban anyone that they want, Just Phokus decided to call up customer service and see if something could be worked out. The first time he called he asked to be transferred to a higher up in the department that handles account bannings. The question was quickly answered by the representative hanging up the phone. A bit irate he called back again and asked simply for a supervisor. He asked why he was banned, the supervisor pulled up some sort of screen and slowly read the e-mail that he received Friday night back to him slowly and said he couldn't help him, which lead to the supervisor quickly hanging up.

I'm not sure how Microsoft/Xbox handles finding these "Enforcers" or teams but it seems to me that they might give them a bit too much power. What stops these people from going onto live with their accounts, finding someone they don't like and just banning them? I for one am a bit disgusted by this process and find myself looking in the direction of PSN for my online gaming needs until some sort of checks and balance system (as far fetched as it seems) is put in place to monitor these vigilante mods.



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Slowey's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 00:07
Slowey
So he was banned for supposedly using the Javelin glitch when he was on a level 20? Thats bull. They should have saw that and called shenanigans on that and had enough sense not to ban him.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 00:51
Volomon
Sounds fishy to me, twice. Who knows how often this happens. Seems like the The Pro is abusing his power, by targeting people he dislikes. A person who deals punishment shouldn't be playing the game, since he can't use any sense of judgment or neutrality. The only way to stop this though is to put his name and the names of other "Judges" out there so he can be recorded doing something like this.
Simmons 2pt0's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:04
Simmons 2pt0
Fapped in hopes more people see this.
The Pro's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:41
The Pro
This post is about me! But I'm Ravlngpsycho :(
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:45
Naim Master
@the pro
I am confus.
The Pro's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:53
The Pro
Disregard. I made this account to make fun of The Pro sorry for confusion.

HEY ARON
10BobMarleys's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:57
10BobMarleys
I would advise everyone to not play the buggy piece of shit until they patch it.
protoknuckles's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 01:59
protoknuckles
I can't beleive someone could get away with this kind of nonsense!
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 03:13
grafkhun
Now that is what I like to call grade-A high-quality premium deluxe bullocks.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 03:23
timtheterrible
If I see anyone named "The Pro" in a lobby, at least I now know to drop.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 03:54
Technophile
Ah, I wish I had a nickle for every time I've seen this.

This whole story is their word against yours. Seeing as you feel the need to be defensive on this site AND your friend has made an account to "make fun" of the guy, I going to have to side with the dude who actually HAS a job at Microsoft.

The guy is a member of the NXE launch team and not just a forum mod. If he was "abusing his power" I would think someone would have put him in line already. I mean, it IS his job on the line were he doing that. You however, lose nothing by trying to deface him all over the internet.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 06:18
Monodi
i think no one will buy Halo Reach because all the accounts will be banned from LIVE.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 06:29
bloodylip
LOL, The Pro. He's an Xbox Admin who is routinely a dick to everyone. He also makes bogus legal threats when people question their bans.
sheppy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 06:53
sheppy
@technophile

Normally what you say makes sense. If not for a longstanding history of abusive mods throughout the internet community. And we ALL know Microsoft is 100% immune from these people. After all, Everquest, Age of Conan, World of Warcraft, City of Champions, PSN, Final Fantasy XI, and Phantasy Star Online all have a long history of mods abusing power and eventually being discovered because of this.

But Microsoft is immune... in fact they are the one safe place that has never had any abusive mods ever. Or you're a fucking idiot, this is entirely possible. No system is immune from abusive mods and lt's the customer service that's suppose to weed these people out, instead of backing them up.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 07:40
TheToiletDuck
It would be really awesome for one of the staff members here to contact Stephen Toulouse, Head of Xbox Live Policy and Enforcement about this. It's total bullshit. Or at least mention it on Podtoid.

You can twitter him here :http://twitter.com/StepTo or find his website here http://www.stepto.com/default.aspx

I remember listening to an episode of CagCast where they talked to him in regards to Wombats "Stay classy xbox live fiasco" and i think if you make enough public noise about this sort of stuff they hear about it and sort it out.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 07:42
TheToiletDuck
@Technophile: "This whole story is their word against yours"

Thats not so much the case if you listen to Stephen Toulouse talk about the disputes process. He didn't go into exact details but hinted at the fact that they can find A LOT of information about what goes on in games.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 07:53
Nic128
That sounds quite painful. Solution to not get banned : sucking.
Ian Roberts's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 08:22
Ian Roberts
Microsoft once again with gigantic slabs of fail. Well at least I know to bail on a game against these trolls, thanks for the heads up.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 08:27
Chris Carter
@Techno
If the dude wasn't the correct level for the Javelin (aka the glitch), and still got banned, this is just abuse of power, as simple as that.
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 09:08
Cataract
I smell a shitstorm.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 09:20
timtheterrible
@ TheToiletDuck

Yeah, someone should at least try to get to the bottom of this. It would be great if it were Destructoid.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 10:35
Maurice Tan
The Pro apparently is as much of a dick online as he is on the forums. What's in a name...
Samson's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 10:50
Samson
"It has nothing to do with the fact that you were killing someone, it's *how* you were doing it that violated the Terms of Use. Your suspension will stand as issued."

I'm terribly sorry to hear this, this is beyond shenanigans.
If only Johnny Cochran or Phoenix Wright were around.....
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 10:59
CALkulon
"This whole story is their word against yours."

Except it's not, when there is evidence to support your case.

Reiterating what others said, Dtoid should at least look into this and help out if the story is true.
IzekialRage's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 11:12
IzekialRage
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM! Do it!
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 12:59
Jon B
Now, all you people who said MS banning for this glitch was a good thing, see what it's done now? All throwing bans around to anyone does is punishes genuine players.
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 12:59
BS3 Owner
That blows.
Maybe you should have bought a BS3. Sony won't ban you for Javelin Glitching.

(( Which BTW has been patched for about 12 hours now here in Sony Bias Land. ))

C Wut i Did Thur? :)
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 13:58
Wintersocks
People on XBOX live are dicks: CONFIRMED, BY SCIENCE!

No that sounds really, really annoying. Like gnaw on my leg annoying. (it tastes so good)
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 15:22
Handy
What a dick!

No, I have nothing constructive to add beyond that.
Simmons 2pt0's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 15:24
Simmons 2pt0
@ TheToiletDuck

Thanks for the links to Stepto I'm in the middle of contacting him right now and will try to keep this blog up to date on any progress I make in trying to get to the bottom of this fiasco.
Kageroth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 15:28
Kageroth
Eeek, thats a little harsh if true. Oh who am I kidding thats nuts if true, which is why I still prefer the PC for gaming. As soon as anyone starts getting gobby about hacking or the like, FRAPS gets started and I record the game. Which you can't do without a bit of outlay and messing around on the 360, just glad I never buy much Live time now, VERY glad.
Guncannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 16:01
Guncannon
I don't know what's worse (since it's not clear what exact process is happening for bans:

1. MS banning accounts based solely on complaints. This should not qualify as "evidence". Instead, it can only be used as a reason to conduct an actual investigation. It's like the Salem Witch Trials...

2. MS admins (like The Pro) going into games "undercover", and banning people based on what they observe. It's somewhat scary to think of the MS Thought Police (or "Enforcement Team", as they call themselves), going into games. Hopefully they record the voice chat or video of the game to have evidence of any transgressions. I mean, when multiple people are speaking at the same time on Xbox Live, it's not always clear who is saying what. It also looks like he tried to give a verbal warning, but it was to someone whose voice settings didn't let him hear it. As a MS admin, shouldn't he be able to know this?

I've read more of the posts on the Xbox bans forum. Some of them are ridiculous, both from the whining of some people and the responses of admins. The Pro's response are usually short and unhelpful, if not rude. One person claimed their 360 was used at university for several months without playing online, but the next time he connected, the console was banned. The Pro's response was simply "the ban is permanent and will stand". Someone else said their GT of "Supertramp F" was banned. An admin said it was because of "tramp" being a term for a prostitute, which apparently outweighs the more common usage relating to homeless people, or maybe the rock ban called Supertramp!
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 16:23
Technophile
Sure. This guy may be abusing his power and he will be caught and fired. I'm not saying MS is immune to those type of people any more then any other company.

Is there evidence to support this case? No. Not unless you want to take everything this guy says as 100% true. We all know nobody ever lies on the internet right?

We have no way of validating any of this as true. None of it. All I'm saying is that in this case, having experience with this kind of stuff myself, is that I'm going to side with the dude whose job it is to verify this stuff.
grasslunatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 16:47
grasslunatic
That is so shit.
adultswim810's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 17:49
adultswim810
I would fucking kill a man
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 20:00
Jon B
@Technophile
If this is true, then him banning on grounds of ingame glitching with the javelin glitch couldn't have happened. At all. The javelin wasn't even unlocked as far as I'm aware. Thus rendering the excuse for banning completely void.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 20:09
Technophile
@jon b

"As far as you are aware." That's what I'm saying. How do any of us know he's the level he said he was? Another thing, you don't need the javelin to do the glitch. It can be done with any launcher, it's just most effective with the javelin. Also, say he really isn't doing the glitch, well then maybe he was using map exploits, maybe he was doing some other cheat?

I'm just amazed at how paranoid some of you are and how quick you are to trust what some random dude claims on the internet.
Simmons 2pt0's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 21:37
Simmons 2pt0
@Technophile

I agree that you should not be so quick to trust me, it's healthy not to trust everyone, if you did I'm sure you would have been kidnapped as a child. In this case though, I as well as my friends have always been upstanding xbox players and don't glitch or cheat in any way, if my friend had been banned because he cheated I would have laughed at him and told him he deserved it.

I wrote this blog not for sympathy, or for everyone to jump onto the bandwagon of "Hey xbox is a cart full o' dicks" I wrote it to inform and hopefully get some answers on how someone that did absolutely nothing gets banned.

Just an update, my friend made a one month account called grouchyTRICKY 2 as a joke, didn't glitch at all, in fact he only played the account for 2 days, thinking it would be funny he sent a friend request to The Pro. The account was soon banned after.
SuperD1984's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/09/2009 23:26
SuperD1984
@simmons

That was silly.
Just Phokus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 02:01
Just Phokus
This is obviously an "abuse of power" related issue, problem is, no one will speak to us about it because they are all knowing and tell us we're wrong.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 07:08
CALkulon
@techno:

The evidence is was referring to is MS's various logs which they could look at but undoubtedly won't bother, not to mention stats in MW2.

And I think the vast majority of people here would 'side' with someone who has contributed reasonably well without (to my knowledge) ever being a dick than to some faceless admin swinging his ban hammer around.

I'm not saying this guy is right or wrong until we have more solid facts, for sure, but it does stink just a little bit.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 07:22
CALkulon
Holy balls, did a search on The Pro on xbox forums, and saw some disturbing stuff. People get instabanned for having any profanity in their bios?! Yeah it's against TOC but whats wrong with a simple warning? Jeez. Way to crap on your customers.
Riegel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 10:31
Riegel88
@CAL If it is against TOC, it is against TOC. BAN HAMMER TIME.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 11:49
CALkulon
@Riegel88:

Thanks for adding nothing!

My point was the TOC are being enforced far too harshly for my liking.
Debeo Laurus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/10/2009 14:02
Debeo Laurus
So long as we are willing to sacrifice for that cause, so long as we persist in non-violence and work to spread the message of our struggle, then millions of people around the world will respond from their heart, will support our efforts... and in the end we will overcome. "Cesar Chavez"

Power to the people, let the word spread of this "The Pro", and may the people judge this tyrant! Perhaps the ones above this person might actually prevail with some sort of digital or physical justice.
HarDRocK369's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/06/2010 00:56
HarDRocK369
wow, look at this i made it all the way into a blog on destructoid for my forum post.

i'm not making an account to fake it, i actually just felt like being a loser and googled my gamer tag and this was one of the results.

i'm sure it'll be a rough time convincing the tough crowd here i didn't, but i truly wasn't even the correct level to be using the javelin glitch. i also constantly play all games in party chat because i'm either talking with a friend, or staying in party chat to avoid having to listen to people curse at me all day. so for him to tell me i was cursing at everyone and people were begging me to stop is all shit, just like i said in the second post i put on those forums.

i'm not sure what this guy's problem is, but reading all the other banning/suspension reasons he gives people, coupled with the youtube videos (yes i know most are fake, but if there are that many videos one is bound to be true) obviously something is going on here.

@Technophile

defend the man all you want, the simple fact is i got a two week suspension for JAVELIN glitching, not mt4 or rpg glitching. i didn't have the thing unlocked, i even told them to check my marksman's and they'd see i don't even use rocket launchers of any type. i was in fact in ground war that whole night, and week prior. i had 4 people in my xbox live party at the time, and we were all in party chat. being a man employed by xbox i'm sure he could have checked that, but seeing as though he was too busy fabricating a story that made me look like an evil man glitching and laughing at all those innocent people while they begged me please please please stop, i don't think he bothered to check.
freshegg's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/08/2010 06:03
freshegg
It's oh-so enticing: you find a copy of a brand new game like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 on a pirate site and the temptation to download it is too strong.
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ipadshouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/30/2010 10:44
ipadshouse
The next day Psycho was not happy about this banning at all because truthfully, he had done nothing, he physically couldn't trash talk, and he couldn't have javelin glitched because he hadn't even died that game, so he took it to the xbox forums to get an answer.
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