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Video gaming is not just a hobby for most of us here at Destructoid, it’s a life style. The problem with having video gaming as a life style is that it can get pretty expensive. Both PS3 and XBOX360 games all cost $60 brand new, and with so many quality titles coming out recently, like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Grand Theft Auto 4, buying all these great games can easily add up to hundreds of dollars a year. One of the ways around this, to help ease our wallets and pocket books a bit, is to buy and trade used video games. However, I didn’t come here to talk about why you should buy or trade used video games. I want to tell you why you shouldn’t.
Why People Buy and Trade Used Games Let’s face it, one of the easiest ways to lighten the burden on your wallet when being a hardcore gamer is to trade in your old used video games, and then buy a used game. Let’s say you wanted to trade in your used copy of GTA 4 for a used copy of MGS 4. If you go to Gamestop today they will give you $20 of trade in credit for GTA 4 and then charge you $55 for a used copy of MGS 4. That means you only have to spend $35 to own what is essentially one of the best games of the year. You essentially just saved yourself $25, so how is it that buy and selling used games can be such a bad thing? Well let’s look a little deeper at this transaction and see what really just took place.
Why Game Stores Want You to Buy and Trade Used Games When you purchased the used copy of MGS 4 not a single penny of the money you spent went toward the developer Konami. Developers, like Konami, do not get any money when game stores like Gamestop sell used copies of their games. Instead Gamestop is banking all of the profit and keeping it themselves. It’s actually in Gamestop’s best interest to sell used copies of games. If you look at the their financials from 2007 you’ll see that they made $650 million in gross profit by selling used games compared to only around $425 million for selling new games. That’s because when Gamestop sells a new game for $60 they only make about $13 in profit. If they sell the same game used for $55, they are making between $30 and $35 in profit. That’s almost 300% more profit for selling a used copy of the game over a new copy. It’s in Gamespot’s best interest to sell you used games.
Why You Shouldn’t Buy Used Games Gamestop however does not make games, they only sell them. It’s the hard working developers like Squaresoft, Insomianc, 2K Games, DICE, and Konami that are actually making the games. They are the ones that deserved to be paid for their hard work, not Gamestop[i/]. When you are buying used games you are not putting any money in the pockets of these developers who slave away for years making you quality games. You are putting it in the already stuffed pockets of the [i]Gamestop board of directors and stock holders. Do you really think they care about you? Absolutely not! They care about one thing and that’s finding ways to make them selves even richer then they are. Developers are out there working themselves as hard as they can, sometimes 80 hours a week, so that you can have an incredible gaming experience. Do you think anyone could make quality games like MGS 4 or GTA 4? No, only the best of the best working long and hard hours could make these extremely high quality games and they need to be rewarded for their efforts. These are pretty big developers though. What about the little guys like Double Fine Productions who made Psychonauts. This was an incredible game that unfortunately didn’t have very good sales. It’s games like these that we especially need to buy the “new” copies of so that we make sure we are putting money into the developers pockets to thank them for the good job they did, because not many people are. You only put money in the developers’ pockets, where it belongs, when you buy “new” games, not “used game”.
Why You Shouldn’t Trade In Used Games Trading in used games isn’t any better then buying used game, because when you trade in your used games you are doing yourself and the developers a disservice. First of all by trading in your used games you are enabling places like Gamestop to sell them to someone else, instead of a new copy of the game. Essentially you are taking away money from the developers of the game you are trading in by allowing Gamestop to sell it to other customers. You are also doing a disservice to yourself by taking such a low trade in value from places like Gamestop. It has been only 2 months since GTA 4 came out and already you can only get $20 of trade-in-credit for the game. That’s only 33% of the new price of the game. That’s like a slap in the face. Take some pride in these games that someone worked so hard to create. I would rather keep a game then get only $20 for it. It just makes me feel very disrespected when a company like Gamestop offers me so little for such a great game. They only charge you so little because they can and because they want to make more profit. These are the reasons why you shouldn’t trade in your used games. Just keep them. Conclusion So as you can see I have laid out my reasons why you should not buy or trade used video games. I am sure many of you agree and many of you disagree. It’s hard not to buy or trade used games if you make so little money, or if you have so little disposable income. It’s just the nature of the beast that to keep the lifestyle of a hardcore gamer up you need to find ways to save money here and there. I implore you though to step back a moment and think about the harm you can cause by doing this. All you are doing is putting more money in the pockets of places like Gamestop and less money in the developers’ pockets, the guys who worked so hard to make the games. We need to support the developers in their efforts to make higher and higher quality game that enrich our gaming experiences. Think about that next time you are in a game store and you are thinking about whether to buy the new copy or the used copy of a game.
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This goes for consoles as well since I collect them. It sounds good in theory tho.
Nice write up.
Good post and I agree with you in theory, as dephect said.
Post has a holes big enough to drive a mack truck through.
I always look for a good deal on a new game first. That hardly ever happens though. The last deal I got was a new Zack and Wiki for Wii from Toys R Us for $10. I have never traded in a game. Who knows when I'll want to pick it back up and play again.
benefits: You get more for your used game, but the purchaser still pays less for the used game.
The only problem is you have to move around a little bit.
As for trading in my games, how do you think I got 87 games? Not by using trade in money, that's for sure.
I guess the lesson to be learned here is buy games new, but if they are impossible to find new or are just way too overpriced, buy used.
Also, NEVER trade your games to Gamestop! If you want it gone, use eBay. You may even make more than you paid in the first place! Or Goozex.
The only "newer" game I have bought usedwas Ninja Gaiden Sigma (PS3) for $34 US (used) when I was on vacation becuase in Canada it's still $60 new and $54.99 used...thats a slap in the face.
And while I agree that trading in games at EB and the like is usually not profitable, it can be if ypu do it right. For example, at the EBs here in Canada you can trade in any 3 games with a $8 TIV to get a new release. Blockbuster video often has a buy 2, get 1 free deal, where you can get 3 games of that value for about 30 bucks. So essentially, you Get to play 4 games for $30 bucks, if you do it right. That's more than enough incentive for me to support the used games market.
But, I do not buy used games. Trading them in feels wrong enough, but if the game isn't that good or I don't like it, then what else am I going to do with it? But otherwise, it's not good the industry and because of this I only purchase new, no matter how much the used copy is. And if the game is obscure and there are no new copies, then there is nothing wrong with buying used.
Other than that, thanks for writing this blog. Some people still don't realize the effect on the industry when you always buy used.
When I do trade in a game, its usually for a big purchase, like a new console. Also I never trade in games at the big chains, always go to an independant if you must trade stuff in.
I try my hardest not to purchase any shitty games, but hey, it happens. I don't have any sort of attachment to games that suck, so giving them to other people for them to find out that it sucks is easy as pie.
I really don't go in there now unless it's to look around and steal any rare games there. Otherwise, I shop online for used games. Though it's hard to buy used rare games online with gamers jack the prices up higher than they are in used retail stores.
The-Excel also makes an excellent point. If a significant number of used games sales were converted to purchases of new games, what sort of effect would that have on the environment?
If there's no money, they won't keep making the games we love.
sorry, one word: Goozex
The point is to really get you to think about where your money is going when you buy and trade used games. I personally don't scorn any person who buy's or trades used games. If I did I would be a hypocrit because I used to do it myself.
Eventually one day I sat down and thought about it a lot and it occured to me I really want to support the developer in the end, and the best way to do that is to buy "new". It also helped that I graduated college at this point in time and started making lots of money.
I made $1000 (before taxes) this summer, I think that's a little more than $200 a month.
But that and the fact that I'm saving up for an HDTV (720p to save money) I'll be buying used for quite a while.
Most really great titles hold peoples attention for a long time and take a while to leave gamers hands as a trade in. I did not feel sorry for games like Kane and Lynch when there were copies on the shelf in less than 24 hrs. I actually think it is sort of a measure of quality. And lets face it if a game comes back to the store within a short time did the person that bought it really get their moneys worth out of it shouldn't they be able to recoup their loss did the game, did the game deserve the new sell in the 1st place. I had a friend use Goozex to get rid of an abortion of a game Alvin and the Chipmunks for Wii that he had bought his daughter. I actually agree it is stupid 99% of the time to trade games at Game Stop cause there are better ways.
We could get into all sorts of ethical debates but just cause a person likes Toyota should they only buy there cars new(so the company gets money) and should they not sell that car at fair market value and have it destroyed instead. If I cannot sell my games(even if I won't) they have no value other than nostalgia and that is not enough for some games. Its fun to know My copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga and Radiant Silvergun I bought not knowing they would be valuable are in fact worth more than I paid for them and its fun to know I have over 120 Dreamcast games even if there are quite a few that are not that great.
Games have been rented for a long time and it hasn't killed the industry yet but it has to be every bit as evil or more so as the game makers get one sell and for a small fee I get to play a game beat it and throw it to someone else to do the same.
In closing I feel there is a value that comes even if not even a single dollar is exchanges and that is brand recognition. If my friends are playing a game I am going to as well even if they bought a used copy(some will by used and some will buy new). If 10 million people want to play the game online 10 million copies will be sold. At least this is true in the games time of popularity. Sure this is a lot worse on the shorter games that don't have a lot of replay value but it still holds true to an extent. I think the fallacy here is used games kills games like Psyconauts but in fact we gamers with our heads up our asses in conjunction to poor marketing are to blame(I did buy Psyconauts at launch though I missed Beyond Good and Evil).
The local gamestore does not, and that's why I trade there
I like Steam's idea of "weekend deals." They are like crack and they've gotten me to plunk money down on titles I would have otherwise ignored. Heck, I like the idea of rereleasing games in downloadable format, period. Some publishers are starting to go nuts with this, I can't wait for them all to.
Publishers know that the secondary market is HUGE right now and the definitely want to change that flow of money so it starts heading their way. Companies have already taken steps to make it harder to get your games into the used market. Any Valve game is essentially worthless in the secondary market (not that I'd want to sell any of my Valve games). Company of Heroes and BF 2142 both permenantly link your CD key directly to one online multiplayer account/email address. This makes buying those games used a bit more risky as its next to impossible to get those accounts reset.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see this happening on consoles in the future. The specific game you purchased could become linked to your online multiplayer account, making it worthless, concerning multiplayer at least, to anyone else.
If you don't want to go to GameStop, patronize your local independent store, sell on eBay, sell on Dawdle (disclosure: my site), sell on Craigslist, or have a yard sale.
Fuck off and cry more while you ride the Gamestop hate bandwagon.
Post your game collection if you haven't already good sir *hasn't checked yet*, as I do wish to see some Radiant Silvergun love.
@Rest of the people
Being a previous employee of EB Games (up here in Canada), even the employees know that people who trade in and buy used are suckers. The biggest issue is, most people don't think too deep into things like this, like most of us do on this site. If there's a chance for something to be cheaper, or they're not hardcore collectors and want to play a game, then they're always going to go for the cheaper option. Buying old school retro games like SNES games and such, you'll pretty much have to buy used, but for the most part of newer releases and such, I would suggest people buy new.
In terms of purchasing used games, I would suggest pawn shops or local game stores, as they'll give you a better deal, like of the 600+ games I have in my collection (which is posted on my blog), about 250 of them are used, but the majority are from a place called Cash Converters! I could pay $45 for a new copy of New Super Mario Bros., $35 for a used one at EB, or I could pay $20 for a used one at Cash Converters, on a game that really should be cheaper by now, and that you know isn't going to disappear.
The biggest issue is, people should try to buy new if possible, unless they don't have the means to do so, and I don't think nearly as many people would be opposed to buying used games, only if Gamestop/EB Games weren't such jackasses about it, by SUPREMELY lowballing the customer, then remarking it up massively and not giving what I would deem a "fair" price in reselling.
And for the guy who lives in the middle of abso-fucking-lutely nowhere (god damn local video store won't even sell their PS1 games for crying out loud)? I don't really like EB but I ain't gonna drive an extra 15 miles just because OH NO EB/GAMESTOP IS SO EVIL GUYS NEVER SHOP THERE THEY'RE SUCH BAD PEOPLE BLAH BLAH BANDWAGON FAGGOTRY YOU GOTTA SUPPORT THAT MOM AND POP SHOP.
And no, don't say buying online. I don't like buying a game online then waiting for it to arrive. I'd rather pick up the game while I'm already out and about.
Seriously.. They SUCK
I dont trade in games because I like to keep them. But if I did, i would do it at Blockbuster or another store. BB averages about twice the trade in value of GS & they guarantee theyll beat any other trade in value. That's why Gamestop wont give you values over the phone.
I have gotten some games ultra cheap in clearance bins ($2-5) & traded them in sometimes because I get to play them for free that way. But that's the only time.
Also... If you guys need to trade, do it at CheapassGamer.com they have a good community there & you dont get charged fees. It uses a iTrader feedback system similar to eBAY & you can also judge by peoples post count.
I understand encouraging people to stay away from Gamestop. They suck and I applaud your effort.
But c'mon. The secondary market is an important facet of economic life. I think it's important as humans not to be wasteful. If we didn't share and resell things that we're done using, can you imagine how much worse the environmental situation would be now? For every person that doesn't buy used, that's more plastic that needs to be created in a factory somewhere.
Besides being good for the environment, the secondary market of used goods helps create economic entry points for people with less money into the video game hobby. They buy something cheap and used, they get into a certain developer, they might just want to buy their next release brand new, the day it gets released. Without the entry point of a cheap used game, they may have never grown into a faithful supporter of a developer.
I buy a lot of my games new, but if I sell a used game, guess what? That gives me more money to ... you got it ... buy another new game! A new game I might not have been able to afford if I hadn't gotten rid of old shit I didn't need anymore. And how do you think small mom and pop stores stay in business? You know, the ones we're always lamenting get shut down by the big ugly Gamestops of the world? They do so largely from the trade in used goods. This money helps them stay in business and provide that wonderful collection of new artsy titles for you to buy. The great circle of life continues.
I like that you put so much effort into your article, but the issue's a lot less cut and dry then you make it seem.
The issue is a lot
Also craigslist, goodwill, garage sales and flea markets.
Looks like your post was truncated. I want to read the rest of it.