@Char Aznable:
How is this a "shameless plug?" I don't force you to go and read my review. I only link to it once during the entire blog. Everything I have written here is completely original, and expands on the thoughts on begin in the review. I didn't simply make some short-blog that links you to my article like other writers are known to do.
How is this a "shameless plug?" I don't force you to go and read my review. I only link to it once during the entire blog. Everything I have written here is completely original, and expands on the thoughts on begin in the review. I didn't simply make some short-blog that links you to my article like other writers are known to do.
Yeah! Consoles RULEZ!!
I'm probably going to pick this up for the 360, and how much better is it on the consoles?
I'm probably going to pick this up for the 360, and how much better is it on the consoles?
@CHar:
Sorry the sarcasm went right over my head dude. It's been a bad day. First I got a ticket for making an illegal U-turn on my way to get a chicken biscuit for breakfast. Then I got to work and discovered Chick-filet screwed up the order and gave me a Bacon biscuit, made with disgusting tasting bacon. Today sucks!
Sorry the sarcasm went right over my head dude. It's been a bad day. First I got a ticket for making an illegal U-turn on my way to get a chicken biscuit for breakfast. Then I got to work and discovered Chick-filet screwed up the order and gave me a Bacon biscuit, made with disgusting tasting bacon. Today sucks!
wow... I would have been VERY disappointed with the PC version because ease of install and voice chat are way up there on my list.
To be honest, it seems that even on the console version, the splitscreen was an "afterthought". Both characters use the same PSN name (even if you rename them) which is simply an annoyance, and then additionally the menus are too large for the splitscreen and you have to move them around using the right stick so you can read most of it... it just seems very "unfinished".
I played a bit of the solo play and it was fine... but will end up mostly playing splitscreen and it's a bit of a disappointment.
To be honest, it seems that even on the console version, the splitscreen was an "afterthought". Both characters use the same PSN name (even if you rename them) which is simply an annoyance, and then additionally the menus are too large for the splitscreen and you have to move them around using the right stick so you can read most of it... it just seems very "unfinished".
I played a bit of the solo play and it was fine... but will end up mostly playing splitscreen and it's a bit of a disappointment.
Glad I didn't get the PC version then. I agree that you should never have to use a keyboard to navigate a menu on a PC game though it should be optional. I can somewhat forgive the port forwarding and such because other games do the same thing (CoD4, Killing Floor server) but that doesn't mean it's OK to do so. Having to edit a config file or other coding for the game is something that I've learned to expect in order to finely tweak settings, but something as easy as volume control should have been done in game.
I'm kind of torn on whether or not to blame Borderlands for it's launch online issues. I also had to open ports to play with my friends(which I've actually had to do a lot for online games, so I thought nothing of it), but isn't that more of a Gamespy issue than a Borderlands issue?
I do agree on the menu nonsense. One example I'd like to add is scrolling. The mousewheel scrolls not the entire menu, but it just moves the highlighted option down. So unless you have the last item selected, the menu won't move on a mousewheel spin. Pisses me off entirely. There's also (seemingly) no "trade" option....WTF?!
Still, I find these faults pointless when the core game is fantastic.
I do agree on the menu nonsense. One example I'd like to add is scrolling. The mousewheel scrolls not the entire menu, but it just moves the highlighted option down. So unless you have the last item selected, the menu won't move on a mousewheel spin. Pisses me off entirely. There's also (seemingly) no "trade" option....WTF?!
Still, I find these faults pointless when the core game is fantastic.
I've been able to successfully connect with friends once. Once over the course of about fifty hours of play according to my Steam stats. Once over the course of more than a week of attempting.
I played all the way through just because I had nothing better to do. It's so much fun with friends too, it's been driving me crazy.
I played all the way through just because I had nothing better to do. It's so much fun with friends too, it's been driving me crazy.
Yeah, the PC version bugged me a lot too. Here were a few of my issues:
-To scroll through the text in quests, you need to use the Page Up and Page Down keys!!! I can't even remember the last time I used them before playing Borderlands. Because of this hassle, I skipped reading a lot of the quest information (not that you need it very much, most of the tasks are kill this guy/find this object.
-Going into some menus pauses the game, while others DON'T. A few times I received a game invite popup during the middle of a boss battle, leading to my character dying.
-I was able to go into the code and modify some things (like removing the considerably long company logo screens), but a few days later they had all been reset.
-Miscellaneous bugs, like getting stuck on environmental objects, stuck in an arena even after killing all the enemies, etc.
-(Not just a PC thing) Enemies tend to run away and hide when you're put into Last Stand, preventing you a chance to finish one off for a Second Wind. This might have been a deliberate choice by the developers to make the situation more challenging, but for me it just caused frustrated rage quitting (especially when one of the enemies had very little health left).
-To scroll through the text in quests, you need to use the Page Up and Page Down keys!!! I can't even remember the last time I used them before playing Borderlands. Because of this hassle, I skipped reading a lot of the quest information (not that you need it very much, most of the tasks are kill this guy/find this object.
-Going into some menus pauses the game, while others DON'T. A few times I received a game invite popup during the middle of a boss battle, leading to my character dying.
-I was able to go into the code and modify some things (like removing the considerably long company logo screens), but a few days later they had all been reset.
-Miscellaneous bugs, like getting stuck on environmental objects, stuck in an arena even after killing all the enemies, etc.
-(Not just a PC thing) Enemies tend to run away and hide when you're put into Last Stand, preventing you a chance to finish one off for a Second Wind. This might have been a deliberate choice by the developers to make the situation more challenging, but for me it just caused frustrated rage quitting (especially when one of the enemies had very little health left).
I don't know 7.5 is still a pretty okay score for that game. Adding all the PC problems to the already plenty problems the game has, I might end up with an even lower score.
What is a bit depressing, that you even think about your score compared to the metacritic score. If you write a review it should be your subjective opinion.
What is a bit depressing, that you even think about your score compared to the metacritic score. If you write a review it should be your subjective opinion.
What i want to know, is why the fuck do i need gamespy, when i bought the game on STEAM?!?!
Also, I didn't have to fuck with port forwarding at all and had a good time online with a buddy of mine, voice chat problems aside. I'm starting to think Pachter was somewhat right though, as Borderlands is a worse shooter than COD,and a worse RPG than Dragon Age. Borderlands scratches a certain itch for me, yet i never feel like playing it...it just feels...unfinished.
Also, I didn't have to fuck with port forwarding at all and had a good time online with a buddy of mine, voice chat problems aside. I'm starting to think Pachter was somewhat right though, as Borderlands is a worse shooter than COD,and a worse RPG than Dragon Age. Borderlands scratches a certain itch for me, yet i never feel like playing it...it just feels...unfinished.
Heh, you take that game down to size Silver! Though I do want to play the console versions...
That said, have you been trolled for it?
That said, have you been trolled for it?
Yeah, agreed. The amazingness of the game is there, but it has this terrible porting job bringing it down. Which really annoys me because they straightforward lied.
I agree, the PC version has a ton of little issues. I don't know what gearbox was doing, but Borderlands IS a console game just on a PC. But at least the annoyances are fixable; going into the .ini files and fiddling around wasn't too bad. I easily disabled the intro company logo movies, tweaked the gravity of the jump to make it less floaty, slightly changed the fov, turned on vsync, enabled mouse-smoothing, and make the mouse scroll wheel able to scroll through most text (although I still have to use the page up and down buttons for some stuff, what the hell is up with that?). I hope Gearbox just sends out a patch that enables all this to be tweaked in game. Since the steam version, which I have, over-writes the .ini files to the default settings if steam is closed and reopened for some reason. Although it's quite bollucks, the game is still really fun. Also, I never had to port-forward for Borderlands and online has been lag free... but I agree with the voice chat, what were they thinking?
Im done with it, I think. I'm halfway through my second playthrough, and I just have absolutely no motivation to play it anymore. Which sucks, cos' I only made it to level 42.
@ArcticFox: I had one guy tell me he thought I was too young to be reviewing PC games and that I wasn't a "true PC Gamer". I found this extrmeely hilarious considering I'm about to turn 30 and I've been playing PC games for 20 years.
It's like Modern Warfare 2 not willing to go for dedicated servers. Multiplayer systems on the PC take a lot more work (and money) to design and code. Still, when they put money into XBox Live development, then PS3 Network development, you'd hope they'd put that same dedication into the PC. GameSpy is past it's prime, that's for sure.
I'm so used to unplugging my router for a new PC game (ports are always the problem), that I forget a lot of people aren't as adjusted to it as I am. Thanks for the perspective. :)
I'm so used to unplugging my router for a new PC game (ports are always the problem), that I forget a lot of people aren't as adjusted to it as I am. Thanks for the perspective. :)
This game is more busted up than my mums girl parts. I hope they poke around at it. The game I mean... Not my mums girl parts.
PC gamers need to realize that they are no longer the focal point of game design, they're not even a priority, the big bucks are on consoles.
Honestly it makes me so happy to PC gaming dying, its about time.
Honestly it makes me so happy to PC gaming dying, its about time.
@Kyousuke Nanbu: so little kid, back into trolling mode again? Why dont you go back into wathever it is you do when you are not trolling?
Ok, this is the deal for me, Gamespy for multiplayer when you are releasing over STEAM? What is this? 1999? Gearbox made a huge mistake, taking advantage of STEAM would have been nice, making it more MP friendly and taking some aditional time to tune the controls better for the PC would make, I dont know if better, but at least a good choice for anyone looking for what the game says it does.
Is s shame, because from the fun you get on single player you can understand that they wanted a good experience, they just didnt try hard enough on the mp side.
Ok, this is the deal for me, Gamespy for multiplayer when you are releasing over STEAM? What is this? 1999? Gearbox made a huge mistake, taking advantage of STEAM would have been nice, making it more MP friendly and taking some aditional time to tune the controls better for the PC would make, I dont know if better, but at least a good choice for anyone looking for what the game says it does.
Is s shame, because from the fun you get on single player you can understand that they wanted a good experience, they just didnt try hard enough on the mp side.
7.5 seems fair. It's an incredibly fun game, and I'm really, really enjoying it, but there are enough problems to take it down to a 7.5 easily. I mean, it's 2009, and I have to use an external application (GameRanger) to get a co-op game going with my friends? Madness!
I am really enjoying the gunplay, though it took an ini change (Mouse smoothing off) to get it usable, and the diologue controls are awful, but the core game is still really fun. Yes, it's a 7.5 game, but it's damn fun.
I am really enjoying the gunplay, though it took an ini change (Mouse smoothing off) to get it usable, and the diologue controls are awful, but the core game is still really fun. Yes, it's a 7.5 game, but it's damn fun.
IN BEFORE NANBU TROLLING OH WAIT.
You do realize that most console games are PC ports eh? 1 for 1000 is a pretty decent number when it comes to actual bad console to PC ports; it's a rarity. Enjoy the shitty version of Dragon Age!
@Shawn
I feel you man. It's a shame Gearbox really dropped the ball on this version, and included so many problems. Most people don't realize that we aren't reviewing games for hardcore PC owners: we're reviewing them for the public at large, who doesn't want to go through port forwarding to play their game.
You do realize that most console games are PC ports eh? 1 for 1000 is a pretty decent number when it comes to actual bad console to PC ports; it's a rarity. Enjoy the shitty version of Dragon Age!
@Shawn
I feel you man. It's a shame Gearbox really dropped the ball on this version, and included so many problems. Most people don't realize that we aren't reviewing games for hardcore PC owners: we're reviewing them for the public at large, who doesn't want to go through port forwarding to play their game.
I agree with most, if not all of what you had to say about the problems with this game. But even still I have never had a problem going online with my friends....Although we did get the 4-pack bundle of this game on steam when it came out and I haven't tried playing with anyone else so....maybe that's why I'm not having these problems...
But the lag!! augh....I likes me my sniper rifle, and having it going all jerky on me when all I do is aim for heads kind of annoys me. Another thing that annoys me about the sniper class is that if your playing with a berserker you will NEVER kill anything because he will be standing between you and your intended target EVERY time.
But the lag!! augh....I likes me my sniper rifle, and having it going all jerky on me when all I do is aim for heads kind of annoys me. Another thing that annoys me about the sniper class is that if your playing with a berserker you will NEVER kill anything because he will be standing between you and your intended target EVERY time.
Jesus, Nanbu never ceases to be a fucking idiot eh?
Also Silver, I'd take you up on your offer of play sometime, but I'm lvl 46 on one character nearing the ending-ish of a second playthrough and have a lvl 11 alt that already got boring. In addition, I'm messing around in Dragon Age and I just got Mass Effect to tide me over until L4D2 comes out. Not that it really matters, because I'll probably just play TF2 anyways.
I really wish Borderlands had a more developed arena system.
Also Silver, I'd take you up on your offer of play sometime, but I'm lvl 46 on one character nearing the ending-ish of a second playthrough and have a lvl 11 alt that already got boring. In addition, I'm messing around in Dragon Age and I just got Mass Effect to tide me over until L4D2 comes out. Not that it really matters, because I'll probably just play TF2 anyways.
I really wish Borderlands had a more developed arena system.
I just played this for the first time last night (Dec 7th) put about 5 offline hours in to the PC version and already noticed A LOT of issues, most of which you mention but I did run in to one bug that forced me to reload and go through the little robot intro again. Very frustrating.
Fun game, but riddled with minor issues that really start to add up over time. They shouldn't be ignored, because some of them are downright glaring, like having no option to turn off the auto equipping weapons that you pick up. I was stunned. You mean to tell me that I have to go in to the inventory screen in order to switch back to the gun I was using every time I pick up a gun this game deems better than the one I am currently melting faces with? Fuck off!
From what I can tell after making it out of the first town and running out and about a bit I think a 7, hell maybe even a 6 is a very appropriate score. Good job Silver.
Fun game, but riddled with minor issues that really start to add up over time. They shouldn't be ignored, because some of them are downright glaring, like having no option to turn off the auto equipping weapons that you pick up. I was stunned. You mean to tell me that I have to go in to the inventory screen in order to switch back to the gun I was using every time I pick up a gun this game deems better than the one I am currently melting faces with? Fuck off!
From what I can tell after making it out of the first town and running out and about a bit I think a 7, hell maybe even a 6 is a very appropriate score. Good job Silver.

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