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Is Diablo 3 really just Diablo 2.5?
SilverDragon1979 | 2:05 PM on 07.01.2008 24 comments




I don’t know about you but the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the very first screen shot of Diablo 3 was Yep that’s definitely Diablo. I mean the game visually screams out I am a Diablo game. It has the same isometric view, with a red health bubble in the bottom-left corner of the screen, a blue mana bubble on the bottom-right corner of the screen, and a tool bar connecting them. Blizzard seems to have visually done everything they can to not change the Diablo formula.

Then I started watching the 20 minute gameplay trailer and once action my initial reaction was, Yep that’s definitely Diablo. It seems once again I’ll be walking around continuously clicking my right and mouse buttons as fast and furiously as possible to tackle the 10,000-to-1 monster to hero ratio. The images Blizzard showed of the Barbarian attacking and demolishing any demon in his path was exactly what I was used to seeing from Diablo and Diablo 2. Blizzard does not seem to be changing the gameplay formula in any way, shape, or form.



After watching all of the videos for Diablo 3 and reading every article I could find, a thought came to me … is this new game really Diablo 3 … or is it Diablo 2.5. I have to admit this was in no way what I expected from Diablo 3. I was thinking the game would be similar to World of Warcraft (WoW) or Hellgate: London in both visuals and gameplay. I thought the camera view would be from behind your character and you would select and attack with skills using the number pad like you do with WoW. I was not expecting it to be exactly like Diablo and Diablo 2, and honestly at first I was very disappointed that it is so similar to the previous games. I thought they would try to evolve the game more to be like other games on the market and to push the limits of the Diablo franchise which is over a decade old. Instead all Blizzard is delivering to me is a better looking Diablo game, that appears to play exactly the same. Suffice to say I was thoroughly disappointed.



Then I gave it a couple of days and thought about it and honestly now I am starting to change my mind. I think Blizzard is on the right path. It’s a VERY good thing that when I first saw the screen shots for Diablo 3 my first reaction was that “Yep, that’s definitely Diablo”. I didn’t get it confused at all with WoW or Hellgate. I mean if some one had simply showed me a screen shot of the game and asked me to guess what game it was I would have immediately said Diablo 3. The game is not trying to copy its competitors or even its own sibling, WoW. No, it’s forging its own path and sticking to its roots, which is exactly what the game should do. If the people loved Diablo, give them more Diablo!

I have to admit I am still worried though that this game will be nothing more then Diablo 2.5. The philosophy the Diablo 3 team is taking is to stick as close to the Diablo roots as possible, but they should still try to innovate. I’m sorry but simply improving the graphics engine, changing the tool bar, adding destructible environments, and adding new classes is not enough innovation. Diablo 2 is 8 years old and the game needs more then just a visual improvement and minor gameplay tweaks. They need to give me a reason to buy Diablo 3, rather then just playing Diablo 2 again to get my Diablo fix.

An innovation I would like to see first and foremost is a huge fluid and continuous world. Diablo 2 was broken up into Acts, and once you beat an Act you moved onto the next Act and never looked back. I would like to see Diablo 3 have a huge world map that you can explore, with lots of quests that take you wherever you want to go. There should be huge cities (like the ones shown in the cinematic trailer), small villages, vast dessert regions, wet tropical regions, and high snowy rocky peaks. I want to see a living breathing world that I can explore. In true Diablo fashion the world should be completely different for every person. The game can still have all the same regions, all connected in the same fashion, but each region should be randomly generated like in the previous Diablo games. That is a very important feature to keep I think. It adds incredible replay value to the game, and makes each players experience with the game unique.



Another important innovation would be to have a rich and in depth story that the player truly felt like they were a part of. The other two Diablo games definitely put gameplay first and story a far distant second. I think that needs to change. The story and gameplay need to go hand-in-hand. They player should always feel like they are getting enough of both, and not sacrificing one for the other. Another feature I would like to see is some type of mounted combat. WoW still hasn’t been able to figure out how to do this effectively. Maybe the Diablo 3 team can. Each class could have a set of skills that can only be used when mounted. That definitely would expand upon how the player chooses to tackle the huge hordes of demons that get thrown them. I think these innovations could really make for an epic game, and would allow it to be more then just Diablo 2.5.



This is Blizzard we are talking about here. They are arguably the best PC game developer of all time. Innovation is their company motto (“What’s a motto. I don’t know what’s the motto with you?”). So my question is where is the innovation in this game. In my opinion they haven’t really shown any yet. Now of course this doesn’t mean they aren’t innovating Diablo 3 to be light years better of Diablo 2. I have the feeling they have a lot hidden up their sleeve for this game and they just aren’t showing all their cards quite yet.

I mean the game is most likely at least 2 years away from being released and that’s a lot of time to slowly trickle out information about the story and the gameplay features to the public. Blizzard will probably milk that time for all it’s worth, and at the same time they will probably look to the fan community to give them feedback on everything they have showed, and then in response change the game to respond to the feedback. Blizzard does not put out a sub-par game. Hell they don’t even put out good games. They put out great games or nothing at all.

Well Blizzard let’s see it. Show us Diablo 3, not Diablo 2.5. Until then I will wait patiently, though probably not so quietly.



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Jonathan Kerr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:41
Jonathan Kerr
Diablo 3 looks perfect to me right now. I know a crapload of people who go crazy when just a patch is released for Diablo 2. Diablo 3 will be like some sort of super-patch to them.

Also, if you see Diablo 3 as Diablo 2.5, which is understandable, you should see Diablo 2 as Diablo 1.5. Making Diablo 3 actually Diablo 2.

What?
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:41
Maurice Tan
I thought Mythos was already Diablo 2.5? ;)
jdub28's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:46
jdub28
whats wrong with diablo 2.5? The reason I wanted a new Diablo game is so IT PLAYED LIKE THE OTHER DIABLOS. If I want dramatic changes ill wait for a new ip. Same thing with SFIV SCIV Brawl StarCraft II and other sequels to great games.

Games that need to be reinvented are ones like the og resident evils, and other games that generally werent very good (they were something new and ok for their time but come on people they generally sucked). Also when fan s are clamoring for a sequel for +5 years I think they generally want something that plays like the original.

We could have ended up with a sequel like guilty gear where its shouldnt even be the same ip. or they could have made it a fps with a space marine traveling to hell :\
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:49
Aerox
I came here to say what Pew already said.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:51
Demtor
Very nicely done! I was getting ready to rag on you 1/3 of the way through reading this but was pleasantly surprised you came around to liking the fact that Diablo 3 will be a Diablo game and not some silly hybrid of other lesser games. Blizzard is, as always, doing things right here.

I have no doubt that all of your hopeful wishes for new additions and features for Diablo III will be met over the next year of development. I especially liked your idea of having a huge fluid and continuous world. I don't think mounted anything should be in a Diablo game though. Unless maybe they did something for outside terrain travel as opposed to dungeon travel. Now THAT would be cool.

My prediction is they wanted to blow everyone away with these first details in affirming that it is in fact being made and that it will play as a Diablo game should. Then 6 months later, after we've all forgotten about Diablo 3, they'll hit us with the real juicy stuff and once again set the internet ablaze with new amazing videos and screenshots.
Big Z's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:54
Big Z
"...simply improving the graphics engine, changing the tool bar, adding destructible environments, and adding new classes is not enough innovation. Diablo 2 is 8 years old and the game needs more then just a visual improvement and minor gameplay tweaks."

Does it? I felt that Diablo 2 was leaps and bounds better than the original Diablo both in terms of enjoyment to be reaped and actual balance. At the same time it was exactly what you describe above: an improves graphics engine, a new tool bar, and new classes.

While I anxiously await new features and fully expect that Blizzard will implement them in spades, I'm not looking to see lead made into gold. Call it complacency, but I'm perfectly satisfied with receiving Diablo 2.5. The worst thing Blizzard could do is release a dazzlingly re-imagined Diablo that doesn't at all resemble the Sanctuary I've come to know and love.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 14:58
SilverDragon1979
@Jonathan Keer: Diablo 2 was in fact not Diablo 1.5. The game had a lot of innovations over the first Diablo. First of all Diablo took place in only 1 dungeon located under the city of Tristham. Diablo 2 took place over 4 different Acts and included multiple dungeons, environment types, and cities.

Diablo 2 also brought with it the ability to hire mercenaries to help you on your quest, and it also brought true multiplayer gameplay to the series. In 2001 Diablo 2 became the most played internet game of all time.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:03
SilverDragon1979
As Demtor pointed out, I'm not trying to bring Diablo 3 down. Hell I would be happy with Diablo 2.5 as well. I played Diablo 2 for well over 100 hours and I am dieing to play Diablo 3 honestly.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's not really like Blizzard to put out a Diablo 2 clone and not innovate. Look at what they are doing with Starcraft 2. At it's core it is truely Starcraft, but there are a lot of innovations going into both the multiplayer and single player modes that will really make it stand out from its predecessor. I think the innovation is coming to Diablo 3, but I honestly don't see it yet.
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:03
RonBurgandy2010
What if it is just 2.5, is that really such a bad thing?
godkow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:07
godkow
I stopped at "Another feature I would like to see is some type of mounted combat."
Xelotath's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:17
Xelotath
With that logic Mario 3 on the NES is Mario 1.3? I for one was hope the gameplay would be the same. If I want to play WoW or Hellgate I'll go play those games, not hope D3 is more like them. But it's your opinions and I respect them.
Xelotath's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:18
Xelotath
I for one was hoping* ...
Respectable Gentleman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:22
Respectable Gentleman
Why are you complaining? It's Diablo fucking 3. It's been so long that I'm sure Bliz has got some great tricks up their sleeves. And if they don't have any tricks, the game will be huge.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:22
SilverDragon1979
I am pretty sure you guys are reading the whole post, but if you are not please do. You will see I really don't have a problem with Diablo 3. I love the fact it is truely "diablo". I just want to see some more innovation.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 15:34
Maurice Tan
Well, I think the physics system will change the way you play the game a lot. The barbarian looked so slow at first, but the way you can do combo's with multiple skills will be very interesting. It definitely looks like it would feel as if you are more inside the game world than in D2, if that makes any sense :)

It's probably gonna be bigger, like Diablo 2 was bigger than Diablo 1. Maybe some instances and guilds for online, maybe bigger skill trees? I'll just wait 2 years and see it when it's nearing completion.
dtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:11
dtomek
A lot of the features you are looking for were in Sacred 1...a Diablo 3 with some of my favorite features from Sacred would be amazing.
coffeesash's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 16:14
coffeesash
Is Halo really Pong 3.7?
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 18:10
Arttemis
I'd be sick to my stomach if they'd "try to evolve" the way Diablo 3 core works in relation to Diablo 2.
They can try that on a different franchise, not the near-perfection that has been Diablo since 2000.

As for persistent worlds and mounts, I give that a hesitant maybe. The acts in Diablo 2 were so incredibly different that it would seem ridiculous to be able to travel from one to the other seamlessly; there'd have to be hours of road to make a swamp transform logically into a desert.
Jumping from zone to zone makes perfect sense, especially since there's no seamless way to enter Heaven or Hell.

But seriously. This ".5" deal is getting old. It was used for Halo because it looked strikingly similar even across two consoles. The visual difference here alone is enough to warrant that it doesn't get called that.
And for fuck's sake, they could re-release Diablo 2 but with this new engine. I'd buy it 10 times... but they're obviously doing far more.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 18:51
Arttemis
Just to be critical,
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"I’m sorry but simply improving the graphics engine, changing the tool bar, adding destructible environments, and adding new classes is not enough innovation. Diablo 2 is 8 years old and the game needs more then just a visual improvement and minor gameplay tweaks. They need to give me a reason to buy Diablo 3, rather then just playing Diablo 2 again to get my Diablo fix."
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seems like the exact definition of "trying to bring Diablo 3 down."

The game will be an entirely new set of areas (even redesigns of former locations will be uniquely modeled) designed around these features. Blizzard is streamlining the D2 experience and adding to the variety, making D3 --- not a different franchise.

As far as "innovation" for SC2, it's nothing more than an introduction of micromanagement as seen in WC3. This term is being thrown around far too often and by a large majority of the time it's used incorrectly.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 19:56
Arttemis
Ugh, my posts have been coming off entirely too confrontational.

BAD WEEK. Nothing personal. Apologizes.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2008 20:45
SilverDragon1979
@Arttemis: Man you are coming off as confrontational, but it's all good. We all have our opinions, ours just seem to differ in a lot of ways. No matter what we both might think though it appears that we would both buy Diablo 3 in it's "current state."

I honestly have just come to expect Blizzard to really "wow" me with their new games. A lot of companies will bring out sequals that simply add better graphics, new levels, and a little bit more polish. Blizzard however always goes above and beyond this and releases sequals that are truly a step above their predesesor. This is not the best analogy, but Blizzard doesn't make a game like Call of Duty 2 or Call of Duty 3. They make a game the quality of Call of Duty 4 when they release sequals.

As gamers I honestly think it is our duty to expect more from publishers when they release sequals. I wouldn't consider this a way of "putting a game down". We should try to show the publishers we want the absolute best they have to offer. In the end we are spending our $50 or $60 on their product and they need to put out the best product possible.

Anyways now I'm just rambling. Hey you should check out SC2's new single player stuff. Blizzard is really taking it steps and steps above Starcraft's single player campaign. Lots of new improvements to the series.
Dirtnap's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2008 00:21
Dirtnap
Let's face it. What Blizzard revealed was a f'ing tease, and I want to know more about what is going on with Diablo 3. My first reaction was to be pissed that they were just developing "Diablo 2.5", except the more I thought about it, the more I realized I was just upset with Blizzard for being such a tease about this game and not showing us more.

From the looks of it, they could release the game today and it would be a Diablo 2.5. In the two further years of development I am sure it will see, it will probably become epic, I just hate having to wait to find out what they are doing with the series.
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