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Blazblue Loketest underway. Nerfs/Buffs Galore!
Shin Oni | 10:23 PM on 09.25.2009 33 comments


As this is still going on in Japan, expect updates from both this dustloop thread and i'll try my best to keep this blog updated as it comes. First off, new carl portrait. (with a small look at Tager and Litchi and probably Taokaka on the side)



now...the goodies. So far, They seemed to be fooling with the main top 3 (Kune/Nu...who is now Nu 11 and not 13/Rachel.) The reason for Nu - 11 is probably due to the storyline. But it's also kinda not making sense apparently but you know how companies love to make new things make less sense in a fighter. There's a few Noel and Carl bits too (and a small portion of Jin.) still nothing on the others yet. Enjoy.

-UPDATE 1: Ragna, Tager, Hakumen bits added.

-UPDATE 2: Just a heads up, some of this stuff isn't completely confirmed (mainly the ? ones) so don't get your hopes up on some of the things.Also more Bang/Carl/Hakumen stuff added

-UPDATE 3: Redid Hakumen's section. Pretty much everyone except Ragna/Nu(now being called Lambda)/Litchi/Tsubaki updated

-UPDATE 4: Pretty much everyone has a good amount of info on them now. most of the info added now is a bit more clear to read (thanks to the DL info thread) and new pics of Ragna/Jin/ V-11(Lambda) added.

-UPDATE 5: Added a few more character portraits plus the pic claiming to be a in game shot of Terumi in the game (no one's sure if it's his ghost form, inside Hazama's body, or both.)

RAGNA
- New Move Berial Edge is not an overhead, can not combo from ground, slow
- Dead Spike seems like still suck pretty bad
- Damage from overhead nerfed
- no change to jump cancellable moves
- JD is smaller during Blood Kain
- CS still doesn't go through projectiles
- C is shorter but faster
- 22C's damage nerfed during combo

JIN
-5B is slow
-JB is slow, C>JB does not combo
-added J2C, which is old JC
-new DD Yukikaze 214214D, counter move same as Haku-men's one, 3882 damage
-J236D shoots out 2 projectiles instead of 3
-214B does not guarantee the knock down
-236C shoots out two projectile
-DPs, better CG graphic
-new JC looks like the second hit of 214D
-2B does not link to 5B
-A DP has longer recovery time makes it easier to punish
-214A/B/C moves the same distance
-Cannot combo after C DP counter
-JD is faster
-easier to tech after B DP, can not combo into C after B DP
-air 214B does not do knockdown motion
-easier to unfreeze 6D
-better Counter Assault
-C>6C doesn't work on crouch (it totally doesn't work if opponent is on the ground)


NOEL
- 6A doesnt hit on most character's crouch motion
- Change to chain revolver, blueish color is now black
- Combo damage nerfed, combo from 6B does 3100
- You can counter Bullet Rain after Noel lands
- 236A/B/C becomes faster
- 6D becomes faster
- 22C loop nerfed, does only 2700 to Rachel
- new J6D move
- new move which is the 'old JD' directly from the ground
- 5C is shorter but faster
- 6C is slower
- 6C loop combo is still doable, but it is very hard and need to add 5A to do the loop
- 5A is slower



RACHEL
- new projectile DD
- new DD uses up all winds and will change depends on the number of wind left
- wind doesnt immediately recover after consumption
- easier to tech after JC
- no frog combo, frog does not activate during the combo
- sword iris command changes to 214C, has mid-air version
- Can't cancel J2C while recovering from a landing.
- hard to combo after 3C9D
- can not summon new flog immediately after the old one activated
- frog is now also affected by wind, but frog moves very slow without wind
- easier to recover after 6B counter
- J2C can not link to other normals on block
- new frog meter



TAGER
- new down status throw called Rocket Finger which has magnetize property, 22D (the one like Ragna's 22C)
- Rocket Finger can be linked after A driver and 3C
- double the guard libra of other characters.
- new 4D move, magnetizes
- 623C has invincibility against HEAD attribute move
- Walk faster
- jump faster
- 2D is faster
- 5D has guard point and doesn't hit opponent far away, able to combo after it
- 3C pulls opponent back
- C is faster


TAOKAKA
- J236B changed to only hit in horizontal direction
- 3C>JD6>JC>J236B>J2DB doesnt combo
- 5B counter hit > 6C does not combo
- CD loop and taunt combo remains



LITCHI
- all green slower start up
- easier to tech after DP hits, cannot end the combo with DP setup
- Stick 5A, 2A links to 5B
- DP is now RCable


ARAKUNE
- Dive move is not overhead anymore, slow, dive cancel only possible at hit
- when curse meter gets full it goes to FEVER mode
- You cannot recurse opponent in the FEVER mode
- All bugs are changed, not as good as old ones (at least observing from the current point
- u can only summon bees while in FEVER mode
- bugs are huge
- once the curse mode starts it wont go away even if Arakune takes hit
- Fog move has no hitbox but if u touch it the curse meter will increase
- Fog adds 40-50% to meter Everything else 20-25%
- YOU CANT GUARD BREAK with bees
- fast and short back step, no change to forward step


BANG
(old information posted was fake proven by somebody from JBBS)
- new command throw DD
- Furinkazan comes with consumer version song
- D move in general is faster
- Poison does more damage
- 6C combo works on more characters
- C is a bit slower



CARL
- J2C is no more overhead, slow
- no airthrow loop
- easier to tech after 2C
- 214C cancel remains
- no jump cancel after 5B when blocked
- Nirvana life goes down fast but recovers fast as well
- 214214D super does more damage
- new projectile is fast and reaches the corner
- can not air tech 8D
- no change to 2D 4D 6A, glide throw, Gear DD



HAKUMEN
- has new barrier move against projectile (?)
- barrier appears when he cuts the projectile (white circle with 封="Seal" kanji on the center)
- barrier absorbs the projectile and gets bigger
- barrier will last for a certain time and will disappear if opponent gets hit by it
- new 4C move, Gatotsu
- new J4C which is old J2C
- meter is easier to identify
- C 6C is faster
- new JC move looks like second hit of Jin's 214D


V-11
- range got shortened
- 2C is slow
- combo damage nerfed (2700-3400)
- new move Act Parser Zwei, Act Parser Zwei: Blade, Act Parser Zwei: Cavalier
- Act Parser Zwei is basically Jin's 214 move
- DD>4DD>236D doesn't combo, even DD>4DD doesn't combo
- No more special voice against Ragna
- No more raping Tager and Hakumen
- 5D is slower, throw>5D does not combo
- 214D goes further in the horizontal direction
- opponent can immediately tech after J214D hit (like Jin's 214B)
- 236D changes to the move where appears in the certain range and lasts for about 3-4hits



TSUBAKI
- fast, run in the same speed as Noel does
- Order-Sol style character
- charge with 5D, 2D and JD
- charge meter goes down when charged-special move is used
- charge Lv.1 command throw does 1800 damage, whereas charge Lv.5 command throw does 5000 damage




System
- Burst becomes GG style, stock up to 2 bursts
- Burst no longer have damage penalty
- You start with 1 burst in round 1, and get 1 more burst per round, can stock two. So if you don't use your burst round one, you end up with 2 in round 2, but you can not stack anymore after that.
- You get one extra burst next round if you lose the round
- When regular gold burst hits opponent, opponent will bounce high and able to combo from there
- Guard Libra retains from round to round
- All AH unlocked
- You can use AH when you need one more round to win (not the final round of the match) with 100% meter and opponent's life is below certain percentage, character shines in white when it is possible to activate AH
- Heat Gauge goes up automatically from the beginning of the round (Yes, Everybody is like Haku-men now)
- Guard Libra length changes for every characters, meter goes down if the character blocks the specific move that breaks the guard (e.g. blocking Λ-11-'s 214D will let meter go down by 2)
- Guard Libra number
11 Tager
06 Hakumen Bang
05 Jin Noel Litchi Tsubaki
04 Ragna Rachel Arakune Taokaka Carl
03 Λ-11-

Appearance
- Projectile such as Arakune's Bee and Rachel's flog has a circle around them, easier to identify
- better animation
- new effect, new voice
- life bar turns red when it is extremely low
- New face pictures for character select screen


TERUMI!?!!?!?
V-11 (Lambda) portrait
Ragna/Jin portraits
Noel/Tager/Taokaka/Rachel portraits
Bang/Carl/Hakumen/V-11 portrait



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TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 22:51
TheDirtyHobo
It seems like they're nerfing a lot of character. Which isn't bad, since the game was tremendously balanced from the start, as long as they apply the nerfstick equally too. It'll just make the game play a little more offensively minded to make up for it.

Great post.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 22:52
Gen Eric Gui
Jesus, I didn't think Carl could get more shota but he did. I'm eager to see how they went about fixing Tager, it would be hilarious if he suddenly has a huge advantage over Arakune and Nu.
s0lesurviv0r's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 22:59
s0lesurviv0r
They neutered Rachel's frog??? I can't wait for video to start floating around, I want to see Nu's "replacement".
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 23:01
Shin Oni
i'm actually rather lost on Arakune's shit. It's sounding like overall he got buffed greatly than nerfed.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 23:01
Gen Eric Gui
She probably looks the same, since all the Nu's are supposed to be clones.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 23:06
Shin Oni
V-11 looks exactly like V-13.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 23:07
Gen Eric Gui
@Shin Oni: Well, if he can't guard break with his bees anymore that softens up his pressure game somewhat. With his dives no longer hitting overhead as well, he has overall less options in rushdown, which is his strong suit. From what I can read, it's harder for him to build an effective rush, but easier for him to deal direct damage?
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2009 23:11
Shin Oni
That would probably make sense. I guess more of a fair race on beating Arakune before he gets momentum.
AfroWalrus's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 03:07
AfroWalrus
"- Burst no longer have damage penalty "
What?? If by burst it means the thing where you push all buttons and go into damage mode, that freakin sucks! It used to be a tactical thing, now it's just "eh, why not."

Taokaka "- 3C>JD6>JC>J236B>J2DB doesnt combo "
My friend isn't going to like this at all. He's big on air juggling with her. On the other hand, anything that keeps him from air juggling me is good.

Noel "- 22C loop nerfed, does only 2700 to Rachel"
Aw. But I like doing that. It was definitely too powerful though.

"- All AH unlocked "
Holy sweet mother of god thank you. Story mode was too confusing for me to unlock all the astral heats.

"- Heat Gauge goes up automatically from the beginning of the round (Yes, Everybody is like Haku-men now) "
I don't actually see how this is good. It demotes the offensive strategy.

"- better animation "
Impressive.

On a side note, one of my friends can play a very mean Tager against Nu/Lambda/V-13/11/whatever. I think it's his 236C or B move that can move through projectiles. Very nasty.
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 03:09
TheCleaningGuy
I'm intrigued by these changes. I think I'm going to like Rachel even more now! I'm glad about the changed burst system as well, the initial one sucked! I'm psyched, thanks for the updates shin!
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 08:56
Wedge
It sounds like they're trying to make the game allow for more comebacks and newbie friendliness and player turnaround with a "easy" mode, constant heat gauge, and the burst changes. Wonder how it will come to consoles though. And if I'll finally be able to get it by then or if SSFIV happens and I won't even notice
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:03
Shin Oni
the constant heat gauge is gonna make Jin be more deadly with his D moves. So if anything, Jin's more of a threat than he was before.

otherwise i'm rather happy with what I see.
Vichaste's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:07
Vichaste
Thanks for the info.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:22
Gen Eric Gui
Those Tager changes are making me hot like a southern belle. I DO DECLARE. *fans*
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:27
Daxelman
Well, least I don't have to learn that Rachel specific combo now that it doesn't work.

I don't like the Burst thing, but a lot of times it happens on accident more than tactically(and not just with me), so I guess it's ok.

At least now I'll maybe be able to maybe get into V-11's face. If I can land a hit on her, I can get her. It's her gravity well bullshit that makes it hard.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:31
Shin Oni
Nu pretty much turned into a double edge sword character. which I seriously don't mind. Especially if Litchi's range outbeats her now short sword range.

on top of that, I guess the fact there's little to no Litchi updates is a good thing.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 10:44
Daxelman
Oh wait.

Bang's AH is unlocked.

Fuck Noel, I'm learning Bang as soon as I get home.
Stella Wong's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 11:36
Stella Wong
I'm sad that Jin is nerfed hard :( maybe I should start using Arakune that fever mode seems kinda scary. I think Rachel players got it tough though :( Just reading that might as well take away everything. Ugh I feel that there will be more Hakumen players :( Astral for days.

yay no clap traps from Carl!~

Yay! I can burst whenever I need it, not waiting till the LAST min to do it.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 11:41
Shin Oni
I feel bad for Rachel too in a way. as I had started learning her. depending on how she feels this time around, I may drop her for Tsubaki or Terumi who is claimed to be the second character.

and Hakumen can sit there for free against people like Jin and Bang.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 12:13
Dan CiTi
All of these super fancy complicated terms don't make sense to me really. I like that they improved the animation and have more voice acting I hope they keep all the original voice actors in english too.

I love this game, I wish I understood all of these abbreviations and stuff. Why the hell would they make the heat gauge just go up automatically? Wouldn't that promote turtling?
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 12:22
TheCleaningGuy
Hey Shin, would you mind either embedding the images or reuploading the ones on imepita to somewhere else? I can't seem to get them to load...
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 12:39
JACK of No Trades
Great Info!! Im glad Jin is getting downgraded.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 13:21
Shin Oni
@The Cleaning Guy

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TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 15:21
TheCleaningGuy
@Shin Oni: Many thanks! I absolutely love the new art, it looks way more Guilty Gear and kinda gritty. But what did they do to Tao's chest?
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 15:54
Dan CiTi
@TheCleaningGuy

Tao has her paw in her mouth.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 15:58
Shin Oni
the more I look at it, i'm finding it more to be her boob than her paw...but it's so hard to really tell. I don't remember seeing any buttons on Tao's paws.
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 16:44
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
Aww, I'm a little disappointed by the changes to Nu. I mean, I can understand the change to the DD>4DD>236D by making the 236D not combo into it, but making DD>4DD not combo...ugh. I would have minded less if they made 4DD an even less safe move(considering the previous change). No comments on the range decrease until it's known how much.

I like some of the system changes though, as well as TERUMI!!! I hope he's a form switch character with both human and true form switches.
Zoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 19:33
Zoel
Yay , I am actually smiling because of the Jin downgrade. And since I don't really use the Clap loop , i am not too worry about Carl.
Fogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 21:23
Fogo
Tager buffs = jawsome.

Also, Tsubaki seems kinda cool since I used Order Sol in Accent Core, hopefully most of the stuff from Accent Core will transfer over pretty smoothly.

Overall, I'm glad this update brings the higher tier characters (Rachel, Nu, Arakune) down a notch and the lower tier characters (Tager, Hakumen, Bang) a little bit higher.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2009 23:21
Gen Eric Gui
@Dan CiTi: It's been suggested that the Heat gauge rising may be unique to the test machines, since it makes testing out supers and Roman Cancels easier. Hopefully, that won't be in the actual game, since being able to turtle and earn super was what made Hakumen special.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/27/2009 11:18
nilcam
lot's of good info. Still, I'm not too excited about this game.

I really hate the keypad notation system. QCF, QCB, HCF, HCB, DP, etc. is much more intuitive for me. I always have to look at a numerical pad to figure out what the hell 6D is.
Zoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/27/2009 14:26
Zoel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3WYGmU7Fg

And location test video.
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