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[Editor's note: Sharpless takes a look at Team Fortress 2 and tells us how he would improve it as part of this month's Monthly Musing. -- CTZ

In many ways, Team Fortress 2 is kind of the bastard child of The Orange Box. Half-Life 2 and its sequels are regarded as being innovative and quite legendary, and Portal is every games-are-art indief*ck's favorite squeeze toy. TF2, while respected and well-liked, is the immature, rebellious sibling. It has nothing quasi-revolutionary to add to the gaming world, and it has no immersive narrative to draw people into it.

That said, I bloody love this game. Halo 3 can choke on the bile of its racist 12-year-olds, Gears of War can suffocate under a hulking mass of CliffyB's hair gel, and CoD4 can just flat-out lick my love pump. While I enjoy all those games, I would much rather spend my time back-stabbing your Snipers, sniping your turrets, and listening to the Heavy laugh psychotically whilst mowing your team down in a hail of hot lead. I love the chaotic-yet-skillful, class-based gameplay and the colorful, endearing characters.

But would I change anything? Yes. Yes, I would. No game is truly perfect, and TF2 could definitely use an Engineer to tighten its screws. And I'm also generally critical as hell, so I'm sure I can come up with a shortlist of changes that would make it slightly more awesome, which you can read about after the jump.



Character Customization
Okay, now, believe me, I'm more than satisfied with the nine brilliant, hilarious characters Valve has already crammed into this game. But wouldn't it be nice if you could tweak your characters just a little bit? Put a bowtie on the Spy, maybe give him a pipe instead of a cigarette? Perhaps you'd like to put one of those plaid, winged lumberjack hats on the Heavy. It's not necessary, but it's small and fun, something Valve would excel at.

Taking it one step further, how about gender? As you can see in the above fan-made image, a female cast is not that ridiculous of a notion. It would certainly make the female-type fans happy, as well as generally adding some always-welcome variety to the mix. And who wouldn't like to see the Heavy find his soulmate (other than the Medic, that is)?

Another possible avenue of customization is weaponry. Choosing whether your Scout carries a bat or, perhaps, a crowbar (wink, wink) could add yet another fun dimension to the game. Of course, to a degree, Valve has started rolling this out for PC players, with the new additions to the Medic's arsenal. If only they would make that class-specific loadout menu more robust and add it to the console version. Speaking of which ...



Better Console Support
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Valve is a PC company. I get it. I don't deny that that's their niche and they work it really well. However, I am not a PC gaming fan - at least not when it comes to FPSes. Cry me a river. Anyway, it comes as no surprise that Valve is being quite efficient at releasing patches and adding new, fun content to TF2's PC version. The console versions, however? They've seen none of the content, with little hope of it ever arriving. So, what am I proposing?

ANYTHING. New maps, new gametypes, new weapons -- hell, even new boots for the Pyro would be welcomed. If Microsoft or Sony insist on charging for it, I'll bend over and take it like a fanboy. Hear me? Yes, I will let you microtransrape me. And I'm certain that Valve could add these things to the consoles just as easily as to the PC, barring MS and Sony's inevitable meddling. If Bungie can do it with Halo, then the infinitely more-awesome Valve can do it too.

Frankly, while playing TF2 on a console is still fun, it's kind of like playing in a cage. A not-as-fun-as-PC cage. Go play TF2 on a console. Chances are, you'll never once see a single person on your friend list playing it, unless you happened to have met them while playing the game. I'm not suggesting that the PC players shouldn't be shown some favoritism, but it would be nice if, as a console TF2 player, I didn't feel like Valve's red-headed stepchild.



More, and More-Versatile, Maps
I'm pretty sure that most people out there will agree with me when I say that Team Fortress 2 doesn't have nearly enough maps to choose from. The maps it does have are great, but the seven (technically, eight) maps do tend to grow somewhat old over time. (Admittedly, to their credit, they don't grow nearly as old as most maps in certain other, more popular shooters do.) Starting with a minimum of ten, and releasing additional maps as time goes on, seems like a good plan to me.

Another problem with the game's seven unique maps is that only one of them can be used for more than one gametype. For example, 2Fort is only capable of being a CTF map, while Hydro is only for Territory Control. I can see the benefits to building a map specifically for a certain gametype, but it greatly limits both the map's usefulness and the game's potential. By allowing some flexibility, fans could come up with some surprisingly fun map/gametype combos.

And while we're at it, why not drop in a dumbed-down version of Garry's Mod for the console players, while you're at it? Perhaps something more akin to Halo 3's "Forge" map editor, where players can move certain elements around and create maps that look almost nothing like their original layout. Not essential, but an interesting thought. And yes, I know that Garry's Mod is superior. Go lie down in a volcano.



Split-screen Multiplayer
Lastly, one issue that's often come up for me is the lack of split-screen. Of course, I realize that one-on-one games are thoroughly boring and virtually useless. However, I can't count the number of times I've been playing Halo 3 online with my friend beside me, and I've gotten the urge to fire up some Team Fortress 2, only to remember, "Oh, that's right. We can't." Allowing for two players would definitely boost the playability, as I'm sure I'm not alone on this one.

So, there you have it. That's probably not an extensive list of things that many people would consider issues, but it's more or less everything that bothers me. Sure, I'd like more spawn points, so I didn't have to walk all the way across Dustbowl to get back to the second control point, but that's all part of the game. Constructive criticism is one thing, but bitching is anoth ...

Oh, sorry. I forgot that I was on the Internet for a second. Some logic slipped out. Won't happen again. Anyway, how would you improve your TF2 experience, be it on a console or on a PC?







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B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:35
B-Radicate
As a console-only owner of TF2 I have to wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said. Unfortunately, because of these sorts of issues I abandoned TF2 a long time ago, despite the fact I think it is strategically (and stylistically) superior to other online shooters like CoD4 (I don't own Halo 3).

If Valve could manage to include some of these in a patch or even an add-on pack I would definitely pay for it. Any incentive for me to get the Orange Box disc spinning in my 360 is well worth the price of admission for me. I just don't want it to be released and have it splinter the already small fanbase on the consoles.
The GHost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:36
The GHost
It makes me sad that you like TF2 so much but can't play with us PC folk :(. Methinks you would enjoy TFTuesdays.

Good point with the customization. Other than the new weapons, I'd also like to see some straight up cosmetic stuff done, although female model would lead to some extremely disturbing Gary's mod shenanigans and whatnot :D
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:38
Wexx
This seems more like a post about how the console version isn't the PC version.

The Character customization and female versions of the current characters would be fun though. I could be down for that :D
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:42
NotAZombie
I agree one hundred percent about the split screen thing. Now it wouldn't be as good as a regular game but it would still be nice to be able to play with a person next to you.
Pseudonym Jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 20:45
Pseudonym Jones
Dear Sony: I want to PAY YOU MONEY for new TF2 stuff. I have more than proved my willingness through Rock Band downloads. Let's make some calls! Let's get those maps ported already!

Heck, if someone (anyone!) could get around to patching half of the big ole problems with the PS3 version, I'd be thrilled.

Though if I had only one wish it would be... er... for more of the character videos. Hot dang those are excellent.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:30
ajaxender
As a pc player, the only one that really applies to me is the customization :P... but i agree that that would be really cool.

Do you guys have Badlands and Goldrush yet? Badlands is better than granary and well, imo, and Goldrush is just plain awesome.

If there was anything else i would change for you guys, it would be more people. 8v8 is allright, but 12v12 is fantastic, and most of the maps seemed to be designed for those numbers.
Neonie's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:30
Neonie
I want to play TF2 again T_T
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:43
Eschatos
You could always get a decent gaming PC. It's sad that the only game you can play with us on FNF is AMMO.
The Scientist's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:43
The Scientist
As a PC owner of this fine game, I give my condolences to all console buyers who got the shaft from Valve on the content updates, it's good fun here in Hall of Death.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 21:55
Sharpless
@GHost
I'd love to, dude. I actually own the PC version, but all I have is my laptop, which can't run it. Sad face. :( Can't afford a good desktop for a while, either.

@Wexx
Well, I can't exactly write from a PC gaming perspective, can I? I admit it's not a very extensive list, but if I included any more changes, I'd be entering tl;dr territory.

Also, could this please go on the front page, just so the pictures won't look out-of-sync with the text? I'm really OCD about that. Thanks. (Damn new 468-wide format!)
s0lesurviv0r's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 22:13
s0lesurviv0r
I've had this game for a day and a half. So far it has reminded me how much I suck at online fps, I need some upgrading done to my pc, and I really suck at online fps. I'd love to see multiple mode maps and character customization.
cbre88x's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 22:58
cbre88x
It's sad, but everything on this list you can do/have on the PC. With or without mods.
MATTFOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/14/2008 23:19
MATTFOO
today was my first day with tf2. I must admit it is alot of fun. Reading about it makes me want to play it now. Its a good game. Thats that. enough said.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 00:06
Sharpless
@cbre88x
As far as I'm concerned, the only kind of in-game modding that I would consider legit in TF2 would be homemade maps. For the most part, I think these things should be made more accessible for the masses. I applaud those who can manipulate code or craft amazing mods, but that's a tiny, tiny fraction of the population. Gaming isn't an elitist club, and suckers like me want to join in, too.
jdub28's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 03:07
jdub28
before i built my new comp i was playing tf2 on an Athlon 64 3800 with 1 gb ram and integrated nvidia 6100 graphics and it ran without a hiccup. Just get it for the pc. once i played the pc versio i had to build that new pc so i could get cod 4 and ut3. the cage analogy is perfect. Im free now
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 11:23
Sharpless
Duuuude, I just said that I own it for PC. It doesn't work. I have a shitty integrated video card. Lemon has the same computer, pretty much, and he couldn't run it on that either. So it's not an option right now.
WastelandTraveler's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 11:42
WastelandTraveler
@Sharpless :: most of the customization cbre88x is probably refering to is custom textures, which doesnt change the models in anyway just the textures. And some of em are quite awesome :: http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/39646, theres nothing really special about applying it either, you just drop the files into a folder and you're done, it takes the same ammount of steps as it would to put in a custom map to your collection.

apart from that, yeah I agree tf2 could use some more things especially!! customization & female character options. Ive been saying that crap since the days of tfc, since there wasnt really much we could customize in the ways of character models in the days of qwtf :D.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 12:12
Rockvillian
It doesn't take a monster PC anyways. Mine is 4 years old, with a brand new video card (100 bucks), and can run it on almost full settings.

Don't let these sites with specs for "monster systems" fool you - overpriced monster systems are for people who don't know the difference between paying for the brand, and paying for good hardware :P. Consult your local, humble nerd for more info!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/15/2008 12:56
Sharpless
@dyslixec
I understand what he's talking about. That stuff is still over a lot of people's heads, and I'd like to see Valve do something official with customization. I'm not suggesting they remove modding or anything, just that they give the mod-impaired something to play with.

@Rockvillian
I plan on building my next computer, with the help of a friend. I know I don't need a monster PC, and I would never spend that kind of money on one, even if I did. I do plan on getting the best video card I can afford, though. I'm sick of being stuck with crappy ones.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/16/2008 22:39
Bob Muir
I still need to play TF2 in my 360 copy of the Orange Box, but I always assumed that the 360 was getting the additional content from the PC version. I'm disappointed to hear otherwise.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 16:44
Maurice Tan
In b4 "whaaawhaaa buy a new PC even if you can't afford anything other than a gamegear!" and "if you can't run TF2 on the PC and don't want to buy it again, you fail". Oops, I was too late for that.

I'd make it better by removing the team aspect, adding red armor, a proper rocket launcher, a railgun and quad damage. AND A HOOK.

Gratz on the promotion Sharpless, <3!
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 16:48
NotAZombie
Congrats on the promotion!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 16:50
Sharpless
Oh shit, son! Thanks, Hamza. Efforts = rewarded! :)
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 16:52
Aaron Mxy Yost
Have you considered getting a new PC? :P
moocow21's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 16:57
moocow21
TF2 was the primary reason I decided to get Orange Box for PC. Now it's by far one of my favorite multiplayer games of all time (above Halo and Call of Duty for sure). I have probably 50-100 user maps (some of which are better than some stock maps) plus their is the content Valve has been pumping out. The only thing I would suggest is that Valve starts holding off and releasing a couple of the new class achievements together so there isn't always this big shift to one class like with the medic.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:00
wonky360
The lobby system (xbox360) is so bad it rarely lets me into a game, The lack of 4 way split-screen is poor too. Why cant everyone look at a lobby system that works (halo and to a lesser extent COD4) and use this model. I have since lost interest in playing this game as with COD and GTA (lots of TLA's here) everyone is busy on these games.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:01
Steel Squirrel
Should have come with a bunch of all new maps plus the old ones, all of which should be suited for ALL game types. Plus.... get rid of that fucking cover on the bridge in 2Fort, it makes snipers fucking useless.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:13
B-Radicate
I'm proud to have read and commented on your blog before you went all high class and left for the big city.

Don't forget the little people when you become all big and famous!
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:16
Cheeburga
PROMOTIONS!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:16
Sharpless
@wonky360
I definitely agree, the 360 lobby system is glitchy. Sometimes it reaches a point where it refuses to find any games for me. I have to back out to the main Orange Box menu and restart TF2. The gist of this post is that the console port of TF2 is basically shit, in comparison to the PC.

And yes, for the record, let me state this more clearly to any gripers: THE PC VERSION IS BETTER AND I WANT TO PLAY IT. Unfortunately, it won't run on my gaming-impaired laptop, and I don't have the money to spend on a desktop that I don't really need for anything other than TF2. So hush. :)
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:19
Sharpless
@Steel Squirrel
But dude, that bridge cover is a perfect shortcut for Scouts to reach the opposing base's upper level. Maybe if they took some chunks of the roof off, so Snipers could fire in.
Dudemullet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:22
Dudemullet
Actually that bridge cover makes snipers non uber on this map. I think its pretty good, snipers can still shoot down the other gyus running throught the rooftop.

@Valve, Remove engineers in Sudden Death !!.
16bitmonster's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:23
16bitmonster
awesome read!
gratz on getting front page homes!

also on topic, i just sold my copy of orange box for 360 and im in debate on if i should get it on pc. i beat portal.. who hasn't am i right? didn't really play hl2 or the episodes very much but i think i could get into them.. LOVE THE CRAP OUT OF TFC2...so now im in debate..is the pc content going to be that much better? and should i just shell out the moneies for the whole damn box again? hmm.. questions questions..


also, awesome read is still awesome read.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:27
Sharpless
@16bitmonster
Just buy TF2 for PC, unless you're going to want more Portal or HL2. It looks like Valve will be adding new weapons and achievements for all the classes over time, as well as new maps and gametypes. Ugh, the richness of the PC version is sickeningly awesome.
zombiepriest's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:27
zombiepriest
I whole heartedly agree with you my sir and as a fellow TF2 Console fanboy I also feel your pain thank god I belong to a TF2 360 community or I would have nobody to play with that I knew.
Dudemullet's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:28
Dudemullet
@16bitMonster: yes get the PC version, new medic weapons have arrived, and I'm pretty vertain the other classes will also get new weapons of mass destruction. Just the oher day we got a glimpse at the new Rocketshovel for the soldier, it kills puppies.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:28
Steel Squirrel
Just sayin', it was never there in the original and scouts were still more than efficient. You just had to be wary of red dots and run like the dickens.

It also kind of seems like, in the original version, the bases were a wee bit further apart. Kind of seems like a Little Tykes version of 2fort now. I don't know though, maybe my memory is making it more grandiose than it actually was.

Also while I'm at it, it kind of sucks that the characters don't all have their own grenades anymore.
But..... now I'm just complaining. =)
MATTFOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:30
MATTFOO
i must be a indief*ck
Danmartigan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:51
Danmartigan
Sadly, I still miss TFC. I'm not sure if TF2 will ever be as balanced as its predecessor. Spys are too powerful and Snipers are a tad useless, thanks to the "Little Tykes" versions of maps, as Squirrel mentioned. I also feel like the soldiers lost a lot of their bad assness in favor of becoming retarded one-dimensional meatheads, carrying a trombone on their shoulder. In comparison, some of the solider battles I had in the TFC heyday were more like like Jedi duels. Also, grenades.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:54
DeusPayne
TF + Console = fail anyways, why want them to make it less fail? Valve games on PC ftw!
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:58
Wedge
Lolololol. I love how the PC versions suffers from NONE of those complaints. Awesome.
thisissami's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 17:58
thisissami
100% agreement here... i love TF2 and i want to keep playing it (PS3 version), but at this point i'm just bored of it...
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:00
Wedge
It'd be nice if they'd let people upload maps to the console versions. Obviously Sony WOULD seeing UT III, but Valve irrationally hates the PS3, even though it's much better for their games then the 360.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:05
Jetsetlemming
Hahahahah console version of gmod

Gmod can barely run on a PC at Recommend requirements for most Source games. It's so fucking extremely RAM hungry. Your 360 has 512 MB of Ram. Gmod needs 1-2 GB to not lag the fuck out when you start doing shit, especially when you take it online for a custom LUA scripted game mode (the main attraction of gmod for a lot of people, including me, and something that would never work, on purpose, on a console. Custom content!? You must be out of your mind!).

I still don't have a copy of TF2 yet. I'm planning on it... soon.
Tragic Hero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:08
Tragic Hero
I don't agree with this article when it comes to the PC gamers (except when it comes to customizing outfits) but I suppose this holds well to those who are console gamers.
Electro Lemon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:10
Electro Lemon
I went and bought TF2 for the PC because of this. How'd you finally get it to run on your PC?

Electro Lemon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:12
Electro Lemon
Ah. I just saw the answer to that question. Ah well. Boot Camp.
Zatsuga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:13
Zatsuga
Orange Box was incredible, but I got similarly fed up with TF2 on console, since it showed so much promise, but the support was so poor.

Simple solution: bought TF2 on PC, bought M$'s usb adapter for wireless 360 controller. It'll set you back ~50$ to get both, but PC TF2 is worth it.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:14
Jetsetlemming
@Wedge: It's not better for their games, at least hardware-wise. The 360 functions a whole lot like a standard PC. Valve can make their Source ports to the 360 in-studio. PS3? Not so much. They outsource that shit to EA. The PS3 only has 256 MB of RAM, and a billion smaller cores, and Source only recently started becoming multi-core optimized. Its graphical chip is slightly weaker as well, capable of theoretical 350 million polys per sec, compared to 500 mil for the 360.
sexycommando's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/18/2008 18:15
sexycommando
I must be the only one in the universe who doesn't like TF2. I barely had fun with it the first week I played and even that wore off fast. It is the least played FPS in my gaming library. There I said it, now feel free to crucify me.
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