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Questioning Leigh Alexander's Fire Emblem review.
ShadowXOR | 7:13 PM on 11.30.2007 33 comments


Here at Destructoid they like to talk about paying more attention to the text rather than just the final score of a review. Well I did, and I have a bigger problem with the text than the score. While I find the game is MUCH better than a 5.0, that isn't the focus of this article either. I'm a huge fan of Destructoid but I have to call this one out. Leigh Alexander's Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn review seems way off and I'm here to explain why. I argued in the review's original post about how lame it is having someone who hates strategy games review this game, but that isn't the subject of this post. I am not a huge strategy fan either (though I certainly don't hate them). The only strategies games I've ever played are Final Fantasy Tactics, which I loved, and Advance Wars, which is a great game but I didn't enjoy it at all.



I've never played a Fire Emblem game period. So I decided to pick it up because I figured if I liked FFT there has to be another strategy game out there that I'll like. The text Leigh wrote touches on so little of the game it's unbelievable. Everything she brings up happens in the first five minutes of the game. I'm not saying she needs to include spoilers, but she doesn't even discuss more advanced mechanics that are introduced within the first HOUR of the game. I e-mailed her days ago asking her what chapter she made it to and got no response, she never replied to that very same question in the review's comments either.

Maybe it's just me but I believe a reviewer should complete a game before reviewing it, and either Leigh didn't come close to finishing this game, or she wrote a very poor review that was very sparse on details. She doesn't cover many major aspects of the game which leaves me wondering how much of it she experienced. While the story is no masterpiece, it certainly isn't nearly as bad as she says, but I guess that is subject to opinion. Not to mention this is a sequel so she is missing out on additional depth by not having played the original game. Is that the game's fault? No. After hearing all this nonsense of the Wii having no titles for "hardcore gamers", I found it pretty shocking seeing her complain about the difficulty and how characters dies permanently. Well that is why you use the RESCUE command and you can safely take wounded soldiers away, that's part of the "strategy" in the game. I'm not sure what mode she was playing but she should have played on easy and watched all of the tutorials. The game is definitely challenging, but we need challenging games. She says that the challenge makes you not care about your characters or putting together a competent team, when it did quite the opposite with me. The game is so challenging that you MUST pay complete attention to your characters if you want to win.

I am not by any means a "stat-obsessed, detail-oriented resource manager". I'm just a guy that likes good games. I really don't see how this game could earn any less than a 7.0 (yes, even on the Destructoid scale) by even the most jaded gamer. I personally would give it somewhere around an 8.5 at least. Destructoid is all about honesty and free speech, and I found that review very suspect. As I said, either she didn't play a whole lot of the game or she was VERY light on details in that review. I may not always agree with Reverend Anthony's SCORES, but his TEXT is always right on and full of substance. I by no means dislike Leigh, or hold any grudge, but I had to bring this up. Hell, I think Destructoid would be proud, this is what the blogs and community are for, discussion. Perhaps Destructoid could offer "counter-reviews" posted by the community (only including well written ones, of course) since it seems that having multiple editors review each game isn't really possible since they have to purchase all additional copies (and sometimes even the original copy). I'm just throwing some ideas out there. I'd love to hear what you guys think about all this. I also heard that Nintendo is going to pull their advertising unless Leigh Alexander is fired as an example to all (ironically yes, this site does or did have advertisements for Radiant Dawn).



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007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 19:46
007
ShadowXOR has been banned
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 19:47
ShadowXOR
Thank you for your in-depth analysis 007.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 19:50
the GAMEGOBLIN
The reviews here have been a bit harsh lately. Again though, an opinion is an opinion. Everyone's entitled to one whether you like it or not, so his review was justified in it's own right. Personally I really like this game. That's just me though.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 19:51
007
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ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 19:52
ShadowXOR
@the GAMEGOBLIN: An opinion is an opinion, but as I said she didn't explain her reasons, or the game, well enough. That is of course my opinion but it felt very lacking in terms of all forms of information compared to the many other reviews on this site.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 20:33
F Whipple
I also found her review suspect as well upon reading it. To me it made no sense to have a person who dislikes strategy games to review them. Not only that she hit on some of the finer points of the series. The fact that characters permanently die is a hallmark of Fire Emblem and why it provides such a challenge. Do you go through the arduous task of restarting the mission or forego the further use of someone you'd just spent so much time building up. He concern about "next-gen" features irked me as well. The only thing that makes sense is the use of the wiimote as a pointer. I truly do not think voice-overs would work for this game, there is simply too much text and it having bad VO's would hurt it more than great VO's would help it.
With that said I applaud you for trying out the game yourself. Fire Emblem is a great series and I can't wait to get my hands on it. I interested in seeing how the editors will respond to this blog post.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 20:41
Cowzilla3
Great job man and an awesome write up. this is what makes Dtoid so awesome that you can bitch about something like this and hopefully get a detailed response back at some pont. I agree that sometimes the reviews seem lopsided with some rambling on in great detail and others far shorter. Haven't played the game or any of them so I don't think I should comment on that but good call and way to speak your mind.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 21:18
Eschatos
No! This cannot be! Leigh Alexander is GOD!
Aaron Linde's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 21:49
Aaron Linde
Thing the first!: "I also heard that Nintendo is going to pull their advertising unless Leigh Alexander is fired as an example to all (ironically yes, this site does or did have advertisements for Radiant Dawn)."

This is utterly false. Whoever told you that is screwing with you.

I'd touch on the points you made individually, but I'd like to keep this comment away from epic length; suffice it to say that I already said just about everything I felt needed to be said in the comments of her review. You're right in that Leigh didn't finish the game, but if you actually expect reviewers to hammer in the final minutes of a 40-50 hour RPG before putting word to page, you've got a very distorted idea of how game reviewers work.

Leigh put in a solid couple of days and enough time that she was confident in her ability to review the game. She's a professional, capable, and ridiculously intelligent writer and someone whose judgment I'd trust till the ends of the earth. You're welcome to disagree with her all you like, but in every inch of her work there's not a shred of falseness or dishonesty to be found.

I appreciate that you're taking our work seriously, but ease up. She didn't like the game, and though a lot of that might be wrapped up in her outsider's perspective, it's still a perspective that was worth exploration. Taking the piss out of her integrity because a game you love was tackled from a different angle than your own isn't really fair.
Lukich's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 21:55
Lukich
I'm not really one for telling someone they are wrong (and Leigh wasn't necessarily wrong in this case), but I definitely felt like something needed to be said about that review. That's awesome that you went out, formulated your own opinion, and are writing it out for us.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:10
ShadowXOR
@Aaron Linde: I seriously hope you were joking about your initial response about the Nintendo advertising. That was a (very obvious) joke by me referencing the GameSpot debacle. I think she left MANY things out of her review that I would hope all reviews would cover, very basic things from early in the game. And as I've said before I feel this article was POORLY written leaving out many details about the game that would be pertinent to any potential buyer. That has nothing to do with the actual score or how much she did or did not like the game. Once again you defend all editors and articles as if they are infallible. Will any editor ever be wrong, ever write a poor review, or ever make a mistake?

@Leigh Alexander: Calling me "ignorant" is pretty offensive considering my main problem isn't that you didn't play the full game, but that you didn't clarify how much you played. From your review you only mention things from the first five minutes of the game. Did you play half of it, or just a quarter? I think that information is VERY relevant to a review. Games get more complex as they progress and I want someone who can provide me the bigger picture. You don't need to have completed it, but your review sounded very elementary leading me to believe that you barely played it. And as I said, if you played it more than just a little then in my eyes your review was poorly written because you left out a lot of things. Now whether you liked those things or not I don't care, but there was a lot you should have commented on that would have added to the review.

You say your review was enough info for me to base my buying decision on which is a joke. I most definitely did not. Your review made the game sound boring and uninteresting leaving me with a very WRONG image of how the game actually is. I read many other reviews that filled me in with the relevant information that YOU did not include.

It's also very funny how you call me a fanboy when I said I would give the game an 8.5 and this is the first time I played it. I took issue with your REVIEW before I'd ever even played this game. Calling me a fanboy makes no sense and frankly makes you look foolish. But since you may or may not read this, and claim you will never reply again I guess I'm wasting my energy here but I felt the need to point this out for others. Aaron seems very responsive to the community and seems very defensive of his editors so perhaps he can clarify this.

And I'm well aware that this game is just a game, and guess what? This is just a game site, where people write about games. Not quite sure why you're giving me shit about writing this article, I thought it was what the blogs were all about.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:12
ShadowXOR
Wow, I did not realize how much I wrote until I saw the comment after it was posted. I hope it wasn't a waste because these are serious questions I have. I'm not doing this to be an asshole. As you can see I'm putting serious thought and effort into this discussion, though Leigh seems to be handling this less than maturely. Being a professional writer does not make you unquestionable and being busy is no excuse for a poor article.
Aaron Linde's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:19
Aaron Linde
Nobody's giving you shit, yo. You asked for a response, and you got it. And while none of our reviewers are infallible (and I never claimed them to be), they are professional.

I try to be responsive to the community, but it's really hard to have a rational discussion with you about this when you get so goddamn uptight over what essentially amounts to a difference of opinion and style. If you think the article was POORLY written, well, shucks. Sorry? You're welcome to continue to comment, write your own blog posts and, hell, start up your own reviews site. If you want to continue obsessing over Leigh's review and calling for her head, I've really got little else to say, man.
Lukich's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:22
Lukich
@ShadowXOR

Discussion is good and so is involvement from the editors, but you can't seriously ask Aaron to come in here and not stand up for his reviewers. Its a horrible feeling when your superior crumbles under pressure of things just like this. Him coming in here and NOT standing up for Leigh is, while not as extreme, along the same lines of what just happened with Jeff over at Gamestop. And yeah, it may look like Leigh can do no wrong, but I think this is an acceptable evil.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:23
ShadowXOR
You keep blowing things out of proportion, it's like I can't have a straight conversation with you EVER. I'm not asking for her head, I just feel she left out major aspects of the game that leave people uninformed. I'm not sure how exactly that is professional, but OK. I've read plenty of her articles and she has some fantastic ones, I just feel this one was very mediocre and was trying to give some feedback.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:25
ShadowXOR
@Lukich: I've read tons of their reviews, even ones I completely disagree with but they always contained enough information to make a decision. I feel this one left a lot out, that's all. It's the first article by Destructoid that I felt was pretty lacking in every area and she admitted how busy she is, it just felt half-assed and I called it out, that's all. I just was hoping maybe someone from Destructoid has played this game and could recognize it could be better written.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:27
ShadowXOR
And the reason I became somewhat bitter in the comments is because I tried to be really cool about it all, and then I get called an ignorant fanboy in her comment when it's pretty obvious I don't think the game is the best thing ever. I was trying to talk about her review and they keep bringing it back to my opinion of the game, which is not what I was focusing on.
Lukich's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:30
Lukich
Even if they do, you can't ask him to come in here and publicly announce it. That's an internal thing, and it needs to be kept that way. "Praise in public, scold in private." That's just good business practice man. You don't agree with it, there were a lot of people who agreed with you, isn't that enough?

This place thrives on the community. Believe me, they pay attention to us and take our comments seriously.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:34
ShadowXOR
@Lukich: I understand and I'm totally cool with that. But I put up the blog to get the necessary attention for that to happen. I'm not asking him to bitch slap her here but he doesn't need to unflinchingly defend everything either. He didn't even have to reply, but I'm glad he did regardless. They obviously pay attention to the community (which is great) it just seems like no matter what Aaron is defending everyone against everything, it just seems a little intense is all. This is really the first time I've gotten into it with Aaron and I respect him, and ironically trust his reviews the most. We just apparently don't agree on certain staff members (which is fine).
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 22:39
ShadowXOR
And as for Leigh not replying to my easy one sentence e-mail, I'm not sure why you put your e-mail out there if it isn't for feedback on your articles. And as I said previously that didn't get responded to, wouldn't it be pertinent to include how far you did make it to give us a good grasp on how much of the game you experienced?
Lukich's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:00
Lukich
"But I put up the blog to get the necessary attention for that to happen. I'm not asking him to bitch slap her here but he doesn't need to unflinchingly defend everything either."

@Shadow

There comes a time and place to accept that what you want isn't going to happen. Nobody on the staff is going to come in here and say ANYTHING negative about one of their own. They may disagree with each other, but its going to be a disagreement of based opinion of the game, not a disagreement on the quality of work. As a friend, peer, and coworker, you don't go to a public place and call someone out on their work. That's just bad mojo.

NOTE: I'm not necessarily agreeing that the work was poor. I didn't agree with the review or that Leigh wrote it, but thats it.
Aaron Linde's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:04
Aaron Linde
I stand by the work my reviewers do. Simple as that.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:08
ShadowXOR
Aaron: I guess I was under the impression that you were more selective than "everything". I guess I was expecting you to stand by quality work only...like pretty much every other article Leigh has written but in my opinion, not this one. I guess it's a shame, I guess I didn't think this site was so "untouchable". I guess I'm not really sure how user feedback plays into the site at all if you stand by anything an editor writes without question?
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:09
ShadowXOR
I guess I used I guess way too many fucking times. This site needs an edit button, I always forget to go over my posts because I'm so used to forums with edit buttons!
Aaron Linde's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:16
Aaron Linde
Rest assured I listen to our feedback and take it into consideration, but the review's been published, what's done is done. What do you expect me to do, tell you I think Leigh's review was shit? We disagree, so let's leave it at that.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/30/2007 23:27
ShadowXOR
No, I do not expect you to tell me that. If you're listening to our feedback and taking it into consideration them I'm happy, but your comments sure made me feel otherwise. Now just give me a hug you sexy bitch.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2007 00:20
Aaron Mxy Yost
Jesus Christ.
ZekeThePlumber's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2007 01:16
ZekeThePlumber
ShadowXOR, I agree you completely point for point on everything you've said thus far. In fact I've put about 40 hours into the game myself and can say I'm enjoying it as much as every other FE game I've played. I probably would have made a similar post to yours but I pretty much knew it was already going to end up this way.

While it does irk me that some people on the fence over buying the game could have been persuaded against it by Leigh's review, I applaud you for taking the time to call her on it. I know Linde wasn't going to reprimand her over it and she seemed not the least bit apologetic about it, let's just hope this raises the bar for future reviews.
Nyteshade's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2007 08:03
Nyteshade
@Leigh - I would normally be on the reviewers side in this argument, reviews are opinionated, and opinions are subjective... I'm a huge fan of your reviews, and I think they're some of the most well written on the site... and that's the main reason the Fire Emblem review felt like a half-assed attempt.

ShadowXOR has brought up some really good points about the weaknesses in your review. He expressed that he wasn't arguing the score, but rather the content and quality of the review. He's obviously played a large part of the game, and feels that you didn't put as much effort into reviewing a game you didn't enjoy.

In response to this, you come in here and basically flame him and offer no real reasons why the ACTUAL CONTENT was lacking. Just because your a reviewer for Destructoid doesn't mean you shouldn't have to defend or explain your reviews. I think many people reading this review will feel like you "passed the ball" on a game you didn't feel like playing.

"but frankly, I see no need to justify myself for my work, and this will be my only comment. "

As someone who assigns scores and writes reviews based on opinions, you should ALWAYS justify your work. Not only do reviewers need to express their views on a game, they also need to explain why you have them. Not liking Strategy games doesn't count as an explanation...

If Shadow had used this CLOG as flame-bait, I could see why you would have responded that way. But he wrote a good post with strong points. I think he deserved a real response.



@Aaron - I have to think this all happened because a review was assigned to someone who wasn't interested in writing the review. One of the GREATEST things about Destructoid is that the writers and editors of this site put their love of videogames into every article or review.

Having Leigh review a game she disliked before even starting bodes very bad for the review. There was no one on staff that liked strategy games to review it? It's almost like having PS3 fanboys reviewing 360 games, of course they'll hate em.
DJTyrant's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/01/2007 18:09
DJTyrant
Leigh your response was pretty good until you called Shadow a fanboy.

So much for being professional eh?
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