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Part Of Me Died When Gamestop Lied
ShadokatRegn | 12:18 AM on 09.22.2009 49 comments




Gamestop has always been a bit questionable to gamers in their retail tactics. First, they give you crummy trade-in value for your games at a fraction of what you originally paid. Then, they have exclusive deals that say "buy with us, or miss out on something great that will make your game sub-par." Now, they've crossed the line by lying to a gamer that just wanted to play as Sgt. Johnson and be a part of the Halo Reach Beta.

Here's the situation. First, I have been covering Halo 3: ODST's release on a website called Co-optimus.com. We focus on co-op gaming, so the Sgt. Johnson release for the Firefight mode was a big deal to us. However, as a bit of a book-nerd, I was more looking forward to playing the Halo: Reach beta, which requires the ODST game disc to play.

When I went to Gamestop inquiring about Halo 3:ODST's in-game exclusives, the guy behind the counter told me something that I knew wasn't true - but I took his word for it, since he worked at the company and I didn't. He told me that Halo 3: ODST was going to have Reach beta codes with it, but only with a very limited supply. This was absolutely not true - all you need is the Halo 3: ODST disc in approximately a year when the Halo: Reach beta goes live.

This blatant lie was a violation of my personal being for a number of reasons.

1. He made me question myself ...and I fell for it.
2. He made me feel taken advantage of when I double checked what I already knew, and found out he flat-out lied.

I actually feel can blame the corporation on this one, not just the skeeze that got a (canceled) pre-order out of me. While that guy was still at fault for lying in the first place, Gamestop puts so much pressure on their staff to make pre-order quotas that they'll do almost anything to keep their jobs. Apparently that means lying, though hopefully when I speak with the manager of that store, it's less condoned (and I get a Sgt. Johnson code anyway.) Gamestop is one of my biggest pet peeves in the gaming industry right now.

I used to shop with them for their relatively cheap used-game selection simply because I am poor - Now, I won't even be doing that any longer. Their exclusive pre-order incentives that are rarely (if ever) made available to gamers that don't pre-order with them was the first straw, but when they lie about those incentives I'm not going to make another attempt to pre-order again.



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ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:27
ChronosWing
I agree, I'm heading out to Toys R' Us in the morning to pick up my copy, hopefully see you online maybe sorta? GT: ChronosWing
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:36
Chris Carter
That's retail for you. A dying electronic medium market forced into a corner: they'll do anything to stay alive.
ShadokatRegn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:37
ShadokatRegn
@Chronoswing Yea! GT: Shadokat Regn
Pariah's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:39
Pariah
Sorry you got lied to. An idiot employee is not indicitive us all as a whole. Even though it seems to be the case on blogs across the country. If I do not know the specifics, I say so. "I am not sure, but will find out." Would you think that I am an idiot for not knowing? I play a lot and visit gaming related sites often but sometimes I do not know, because I am not following a certain title. He should have know that though. At E3, all copies of ODST ship with the beta for reach. Once again, sorry you goy lied to, send an email to corporate. They will coach the individual and give you a gift card.
Pariah's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:41
Pariah
And the co-optimus site is awesome. I am always looking for some offline coop for my girlfriend and I to play.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:42
Geoff Henao
He was probably just fucking with you. I fuck around with customers all the time.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:43
Chris Carter
@Pariah
The sad truth is while you're an amazing employee, tomorrow morning Corporate could tell your District Mananger to tell your Store Manager (if that's not you) to tell you to use tactics like the above scenario, or you'll lose your job. It won't always happen, but it's not unheard of in low margin stores.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:45
ChronosWing
@Video

What? If gamestop employee's start fucking with me I will just stop shopping there all together, I can understand if were buddy buddy or something and I know the person but your not supposed to be a smart ass to customers you've never even met before, it's just bad business.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:47
Chris Carter
All these Gamestop threads never end well.

For what it's worth, I agree with Chrono. If your manager knows you fuck with people, Video, odds are he'll get fired real quickly if District has any sort of accountability.
ShadokatRegn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:49
ShadokatRegn
@Video and @Chronoswing Being a smartass and lying are also two different things - Gamestop as a corporation does use some sly tactics normally, like handing me some left-over swag to get on my good side so I'm more likely to pre-order - but this is the first time it's been an outright lie to get a pre-order out of me, and I think it'll be the last...

@Pariah

I don't hate all the employees of Gamestop. In fact, I have several friends that are former employees - but that also gives me some of the behind-the-scenes BS that corporate pulls on you guys. Probably reason enough for that guy to lie to "just some girl." Which is why I made sure to throw in there that I blame the corporation just as much if not more.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:53
ChronosWing
I totally agree he was lying through his teeth, it's happened a few times at other gamestops I've visited other than my normal one which isn't so bad. I was just telling video he should be fucking with customers, it's the last thing I want to deal with when going into gamestop to ask a legitimate question and the dick head behind the counter decides I'm a moron and starts fucking with me in front of his co-workers most likely for the lul's so he can brag about it on his twitter later.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:55
ChronosWing
should = shouldn't, comments need an edit button...
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 00:58
Shin Oni
@chronoswing

it's gamestop. what the hell should you expect? whenever I happen to be there, I just get my crap and ignore their talk unless they really know what they're talking about. Otherwise, I don't talk to employees there.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:04
ChronosWing
I don't expect much at all, but I don't want some smart ass kid fucking with me because he think's he's funny. Just saying, when I go to a retail store I expect to be treated with at least a shred of decency as a human being purchasing your goods, if not for me purchasing things you may not even have a job. Last time some smart ass tried some shit like that at wal-mart and a through the merchandise on the floor and insulted the manager for allowing his employees to be so rude. Abrasive? Yes, but fuck man I just want some respect, is it that hard to not be an asshole?
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:04
king kong five
Good for you. I'm starting to feel the same way about GameStop. I mean if I'm looking for old used games, GameStop's the place to go (just got Summoner 2 for three bucks last week!) but when it comes to full-priced, current-gen games, I've been making a conscious effort not to buy them at GameSpot.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:12
pedrovay2003
Wow, I've been screwed over by GameStop before, but this is pretty ridiculous.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:15
Geoff Henao
Shit, somewhere along the way, I overlooked the fact that the employee lied in order to sell a pre-order. That changes EVERYTHING. This dude is a shit.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:20
Mike Moran
@Magnalon: My GameStop posts end well, but I'm just super like that. You were curious about my avatar? I think Niero changed it when he was looking at my King of Fighters article. It changed after that article and he was the only administrative staff present. I'm keeping it until I finish doing something, then I'm back to my glorious white space self.

And to Shadokat: Really? You strike me as feeling you've been stabbed in the back. Has your store ever lied to you before? Do they give you shitty service or treat you poorly in general? If they don't, I would imagine they were merely mis-informed. It's a very easy stretch to say the Beta access is a pre-order bonus. Beta access is ALWAYS a pre-order bonus. This is such an easy thing to confuse that even I fucked up on it before specifically finding out on my own.

I'm sincerely hoping you were polite as you were canceling if you store usually gives you good service. This sounds downright innocent from my perspective.

Also @ Magnalon: Shady tactics like that don't work if the employees call out their managers and report them to corporate. If you start filing complaints against the management the heat will come down should there be proper founding. A semi-buddy from an old job who then worked for the local GameCrazy got his manager fired for using underhanded tactics.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:27
Chris Carter
@Wry
"A semi-buddy from an old job who then worked for the local GameCrazy got his manager fired for using underhanded tactics."

I had a manager that literally verbally abused women when I worked at Target. I stood up to him multiple times and nearly lost my job. After persuading a bunch of people to write letters and call corporate, the most we got for him was "probation".

Sadly, from my experience in retail, it's really hard to fight tenure.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:30
Mike Moran
@Magnalon: Probation, huh? Pretty fucking weak. I'd be surprised if the guy even stopped. Still you've gotta keep in mind some companies actually do take their policies seriously and will seek to fire shady management.
Deathofthedead's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 01:33
Deathofthedead
Yeah, as a former GSer, some managers/DMs can get pretty brutal in their tactics to get preorders up, but I've never heard one tell anyone to flat-out lie. Chances are pretty good that this guy was either A) a douche, just fucking around, or B) talking out his ass. I met a lot of fellow Game Advisors who thought that getting paid minimum wage to sling pre-owneds was the equivalent of a PhD in Gaming Knowledge, and that whatever BS they read/heard/made up was the written-in-stone truth.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 02:37
WarZombie
It is their job, though. They probably want to keep those jobs, and I know being lied to sucks, but that's how things work. I don't think it was a good reason to cancel your pre-order, because the guy is just trying to do whatever ha can to keep his job. Maybe different people handle this in other ways, but I wouldn't have been so offended if that happened to me. If I had GameStop breathing down m neck about pre-order quotas, then I would try whatever I could to get people to pre-order. I agree that he shouldn't have lied, but you shouldn't be upset at somebody for trying to do their job.
CWal37's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 02:53
CWal37
I honestly enjoy the employees at my local gamestop. However, the store being right on a college campus of 40,000+ people might have something to do with that.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 03:02
Takeshi
If you ask a question like that and they don't know the answer they will most likely answer it with "Yes!". Because they think you'll buy it then. They don't know shit usually. Seriously every time I go into my local game store I have to answer some questions from customers because the people who work there are retarded. It's ridiculous really. The dude didn't even know the PS3 had wireless out of the box. He also thought Uncharted 2 was a multi-platform game... I could go on forever.

They need to hire me for crying out loud. But instead they get some ignorant kids because they're cheap. OK, I'm done whining.

Shadowkat, just stick to what you know and only trust yourself.
sleepingagain's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 03:58
sleepingagain
poor kat, just do what most dtoiders do, ignore them when they talk
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 06:03
Y0j1mb0
Ahh a good ol' Gamestop rant. Nothing quite like it!

:)
Pic0o's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 07:55
Pic0o
It's a sad day when someone in a store cannot just say 'Sorry, I'm not sure on the details about that' instead of packing up the BS pipe on you. It is sadly humorous however, that the employee rolled a line out on you like they are a used car salesman.
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 08:59
Dimly
I know you said you feel it's justified, but I sincerely believe your problem lay only with the bad retail clerk. Your experience with a clerk can make or break your entire perception of a company, and it sounds like this guy was a dbag.

It's situations like those where you politely ask, "is there someone else I can talk to?" Don't roll over for some clown behind the counter man, especially if you're smart enough to know your being duped.
SilverDragon1979's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 09:01
SilverDragon1979
I love GameStop rants. They just never cease to be amusing. I personally feel disgusting everytime I walk into a GameStop.
ShadokatRegn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 09:21
ShadokatRegn
@Takeshi - That's the thing, I didn't ask a yes or no question, I asked a "what are the incentives for pre-ordering with you guys" question, where this guy felt the need to tack on one that I would appreciate. The fact that I did know better pisses me off the most.

@Dimly - Gamestop experiences are usually not good unless I go to the store that has the manager I know - most of my friends have either quit, or been wrongly fired (a few were rightfully fired for BEING dumbasses) so I had little connection with Gamestop. Most of the employees are hired because they're good at BS'ing.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 09:25
Sean Carey
I really feel like it's a matter of finding individuals you trust, not companies. I don't trust GameCrazy at all, but the store near me has a few really knowledgable, down-to-earth people there who have saved me money a number of times by shooting straight with me. As a result, they gained my loyalty as a consumer. These short term strong-arm tactics might get the numbers up temporarily, but they always hurt business in the long run.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 10:51
Gen Eric Gui
I like how it never crosses people's minds that the retail clerk might have actually thought what he said was true. It's impossible to know everything about every game, and with the amount of false information that gets tossed around the net and miscommunications that can get passed down from corporate e-mails or through a chain of friends it's sometimes impossible to sort out which info is good and which isn't.

Do you have any proof that this guy was going out of his way to lie to you to make his pre-order? Honestly, a lot of people make such a big deal about Gamestop's EVIL, CRIMINAL policies but don't actually understand any of them or bother to think from the other end of the counter before shooting their mouths off. It's getting really tiring.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:02
Mike Moran
@ShadokatRegn: You're gonna ignore my whole "Extremely easy to misconstrue this" message and go on being pissed off, huh? Ah well.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:05
Takeshi
@Shadowkat
Ah yeah I see. But that means...

THE BASTARD!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:24
Elsa
It happens a LOT at these types of stores... and in all honesty I'm never sure if they're actually lying... or are just incredibly stupid.

I still remember the EB Games clerk who kept trying to talk me into pre-ordering the 360 version of UT3. First of all, I just wanted to pre-order the PS3 version, secondly, at that time the 360 version hadn't been confirmed, Thirdly, the 360 version was months and months away from release time (well after the PS3 version), and fourthly as I repeatedly told him... I don't have a 360!!! I was so pissed off at him, I finally left and pre-ordered it at Future Shop.

I think that some of their employees are actually just stupid. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Zoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:38
Zoel
Yeah, you never go to Gamestop unless you are left with no alternatives.
ShadokatRegn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:55
ShadokatRegn
@WryGuy

I've given gamestop the benefit of the doubt for years - The in-game exclusives started to become a real problem, but I know that guy just started naming shit that COMES WITH THE GAME as gamestop exclusives to get me to pre-order through him to get his quota.

I'm Miffed at Gamestops Pre-order or be fired mentality, hence blaming the corporation at least as much, if not more, than that kid.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 11:57
Nic128
Promises of pre-order bonuses, never fulfilled. ;_;
Lurfadur's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 12:04
Lurfadur
Guess I'm one of the lucky few who actually have a decent GS to go to. It's the only one within a 3 hour drive and it's located right in the middle of yuppie-ville Oregon (Bend) so I'm sure they get tons of gamers, or people who think they know what they're doing, who apply to work there. Fortunately they are able to pick and choose who they hire and every time I've gone in there over the last several years all of the employees have been very helpful, polite, and only mention picking up a pre-order very casually and never once have they lied or fed me BS. This is probably the exception to the rule, but I actually enjoy going to our GS.

As a side note, Bend Oregon is fully of yuppies and crazy people who happen to be rich, but it also has a unique history in the gaming community. The Sony Bend studio made the Syphon Filiter games, Resistance: Retribution, and also made Bubsy 3D.
entrager's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 13:31
entrager
Or maybe he was just mistaken. I mean, it's not like you never find ill-informed employees anywhere...
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 13:40
Mike Moran
@ShadokatRegn: Like I said, this is the only case of beta access not being a pre-order bonus in ages. The last one I can think of is Crackdown; several years ago. It's not the smartest thing to do, but it's such an easy conclusion to make that a lot of people would do so without even thinking about it. Why do you think you doubted yourself? Because it makes sense for beta access to be a pre-order bonus. I made the same mistake myself, as an employee, until I found out on my own.

So how do you know he was just being a lying shit? Are you normally harassed and lied to, or could this possibly have just been a misunderstanding? I'm not a fan of corporate policy and dickweed managers, but I'm also not a fan of customers who jump to conclusions. I've dealt with a slew of customers whom will immediately talk shit behind my back for not sucking their dick, because of how convenient it is to act like a victim.

I'm not saying you do this, but it's my duty to defend. I give a damn about doing a job I take on right, and I likewise give a damn about making sure anyone who did the same has a chance at fair treatment. I hope you understand my position here. I'm not asking you to defend yourself to me. I'm a guy you don't know on the internet and it'd be ridiculous for me to demand you invest yourself in this conversation. I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.
JavTheGreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 14:31
JavTheGreat
Maybe he just didn't know but didn't want to say that.
ShadokatRegn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 14:36
ShadokatRegn
@Wry guy

I went to the store today to get my pre-order deposit back and inquired about that guy - apparently he had a habit of feeding people BS to get pre-orders and was fired for it. I'm pretty good at taking a step-back most of the time, and like I said - I've given Gamestop the benefit of the doubt MANY times.

The way the conversation went was:

Me: "What pre-order incentives are there in store that are different than online"
Him: "Well, you get a Sgt Johnson code."
Me: "That's it?"
Him: "We also have a limited number of the Halo Reach beta codes with our pre-order."
Me: "Oh yea? I care about that more than Sgt. Johnson - though I'd like both."
Him: "Yep, so you should order it now to ensure you get in the beta!"
Me: "Sure, helps me pay it off in increments anyway."

Probably not word-for-word but that was the gist of it.
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 15:07
Mike Moran
@Shadokat: Just making sure the guy got a fair trial. If he got his ass fired it all works out as far as I'm concerned. This wasn't even a game that you needed to BS in the least to get reserves for. You just have to say, "So ODST is coming out," and they'll go "GOD YES, RESERVE PLZ."
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 20:04
CrocBox
Finally you have learned what I have known for awhile now: GameStop is full of thieving cockbags.
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 20:21
bluexy
I hope Gamestop never changes because then the laughter would die. Sorry you got had. :(
birdwaveyline's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/07/2009 18:05
birdwaveyline
If you hate the place so much then just dont go there. regardless of what you say there's always another place being another store, online or anything. I rants get old so just shop somewhere else if the place makes you so upset. With all these people hating on the place it's funny how they are still the number one game retailer around. you can blame it on them raping people on trades or whatever but you people keep going there for stuff and as a result stores like your beloved games crazy and play and trades are shutting down the stores they have left and right so if you hate gamestop shop other places so they dont shut down so there is another place where people can go besides gamestop. i mean fir real game crazt just shut down like 200 stores putting there total down to about 450 stores. gamestop has 6000 stores so I guess their doing something right.
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