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Lets Talk Some Metal Gear Rising
SephirothX | 3:47 PM on 12.11.2011 13 comments




The new trailer for Metal Gear Rising debuted at the Spike TV VGA awards this weekend, and I have to say I’m a little surprised by the high amount of negativity floating around the response to the trailer. Now while I haven’t looked extensively into the responses about the trailer (I’m still playing Skyrim after all) I have to say that there are some people out there who are saying this that, quite honestly, make me think they have their head somewhere up their ass. Why? Because they’re saying things that really don’t make much sense when you think about them more in depth.



There’s one item I want to get out of the way as fast as I can. There are people who are trying to draw parallels to Metal Gear Rising and DmC. To all of you people doing this: Stop it, you don’t understand what you’re talking about. The only comparisons that really exist here are that the game is being made by a different developer and that its “different”. Remember that Rising is not a reboot of the Metal Gear franchise like DmC, it’s a spin-off title featuring a different character in the franchise’s universe. So don’t feel like everything you know and love about Metal Gear is going to get swept under the rug. In fact, considering there were mums about Metal Gear Solid 5 floating around (yes, this hasn't been confirmed) and the fact that Kojima in the past has said he’s done with Metal Gear and then another title pops up (see: Peace Walker) I’d say the standard Metal Gear games are perfectly fine and will continue on. Assuming Rising is some sort of replacement to the games we know and love is a little foolish.

The other thing that factors into why this Rising/DmC parallel is stupid is by examining the developers involved. Platinum Games isn’t some western developer who may be out of touch with the Japanese styles that go into a Metal Gear game. Platinum Games is very Japan based, like Kojjima Productions, and is a lot more likely to properly recreate some of the core aspects of a Metal Gear game (at least in storytelling) then, say, Ninja Theory with DmC. Heck, I don’t know if I’m the only person who felt this but while playing Vanquish I felt like there some (albeit very exaggerated) Metal Gear stylings in there. Plus, you haven’t seen Platinum Games come out and basically rail on its own main character prior to making a new game.



Alright, now that I’m done ranting on why that stupid comparison is foolish let me move on to something else. People for some reason seem to be upset with how over the top the action in this trailer was, claiming it was apparently “Not Metal Gear”. I have to ask if anybody remembers some of Raiden’s achievements in previous games, because there’s already been some plenty over the top shit he’s already done. Remember when Raiden fought 20 Rays in Sons of Liberty, without any of his cyborg-ninja shit he got later, and won? How about when he appears in Guns of the Patriots fighting a bunch of those mooing Metal Gears and winning (seriously, whats with the cow noises)? Or later on in MGS4 when he cuts off his own arm and stops a giant ship from crushing Solid Snake by himself, gets pretty much crushed doing so, and still lives to fight again later in the game carrying a sword with only his teeth? So you’re telling me that lifting a single Ray is too much? Don’t complain about this being over the top, because Metal Gear is filled to the teeth with silly and/or over the top crap. This is the same franchise that used possession-via-the-arm as a plot device at one point (before thankfully being retconned).

The response to the hack-and-slash nature of this game seems to be raising my eyebrows a bit too. I saw one user comment that said “Metal Gear is dead now” regarding this trailer now being a totally different thing from the games of the past. Um... the moment this game was announced it had the subtitle of “lightning bolt action” under it, did this get ignored somehow or did people seriously expect Raiden (with this list of accolades mentioned above) to do all of his crazy robot ninja shit in a total stealth game? It’s been firmly established that Rising was going to be of a different genre since pretty much the moment it was announced. And hey this isn’t even the first time such a thing has appeared in a Metal Gear game, anybody remember the Ninja Missions from Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions? Genre switches in the Metal Gear franchise aren’t entirely foreign either, the only reason nobody made a stink about Metal Gear Ac!d is because the game was on the PSP.



In short, cool your jets peeps. Rising isn’t here to replace the games we know and love, its a spin-off game (and possibly series) that’s trying to do different things with the franchise and the comparison between it and DmC is ridiculous and stupid. Plus, even though he’s not a developer for this game, Hideo Kojima had to give some sort of “okay” to all of this and is still one of the brain childs of this game and I think he has a bit more credibility than some of the talking suits you see littered all over the industry right now.



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Sebproductions's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 15:56
Sebproductions
Amen brutha. But nawww I do agree with all your points. Stupid people be stupid.
imDraxx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 16:16
imDraxx
Pretty much summarizes what needed to be said around with Metal Gear Rising. However, when looking between both the E3 and VGA trailers, there is some concerns that come up within my mind. But those are minor concerns that won't change my decision to buy this game.
Hystzen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 16:24
Hystzen
I think alot of people forgot the strap-line Rising had LIGHTING FAST ACTION Iam shocked the amount of crying over this :

Game doesnt change -crying
Game changes- crying

I put it down to modern gamers have no idea what they want
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 17:02
Arttemis
Thank you for this. Since the first MGS, everyone I've known to play the game has wanted to be the badass cyborg ninja. We finally get that, and people are crying? This is a spin off made by a more than capable studio (who I wish Capcom had utilized for DmC), and I can't wait to finally play as the ridiculously powerful ninja that teased us in hours of cutscenes.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 17:28
pedrovay2003
As long as this game has Move support, I'll get it day-one. That's all I'm caring about right now.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 17:46
Handy
A few days ago, if someone told me that Platinum were going to make a Metal Gear game staring Raiden I would have told them to wake up from their fanwank fantasy and start dreaming of something that might actually happen.

Now, I’d just hug them and say “miracles can happen”.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 18:12
Chris Carter
Can't wait - Platinum makes fun games - it's a spinoff.

Me in a nutshell regarding Rising.

Also, "fans" that hate this seem to forget - a BIG draw of MGS: VR Missions back in the day (or Integral, in Japan) was to play as a badass Cyborg ninja for just three missions. People bought that game just to do that (myself included).

People have wanted to just slice shit up on occasion in this franchise, and finally, Kojima delivers - but people want more stealth.

Other than that small section towards the end as Raiden in MGS2, the three missions in VR Missions, and a handful of Cyborg Ninja/Olga VR missions in Substance, etc, this hasn't been realized - until now. There are fans that want this.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 18:17
Epic-Kx
War Has Changed.

This, Darksiders 2 & DmC are my go to hack n slashes for 2012. So hype!
BrowneyeWinkin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 21:29
BrowneyeWinkin
Are people really arguing that this games existence nullifies the previous titles?

I think most of the moans and groans where coming from people that were expecting to see more of what they saw demoed in 2010. You can't deny the stark contrasts between the new trailer and the old one.

The 2010 e3 trailer had the same atmosphere and aesthetics as guns of the patriots which was fitting considering the fact that the story was aiming to illuminate some of the shadows between MGS 2 & 4. Another thing that had fans excited about rising was that it was suppose to symbolize Kojima passing the torch to his underlings and give us an idea of what a world without Kojima would be like. My guess is the development process began to stagnate since hack and slash is pretty contradictory to the metal gear solid franchise and in an effort to justify the lost cause they outsourced it.

Maybe this was what Hideo was talking about when he sent out that rage tweet before E3?

Im sure a lot of the naysayers would have been cheering after the VGA trailer had it been presented as new IP by platinum. I still wouldn't be interested since neither vanquish or bayonetta really floated my boat. Now im not writing the game off because that would be short sighted but you gotta admit that the combat that was shown off looked like shit. Raiden was an epileptic nightmare swinging 20 so times at one guy(which seemed to have no graphical effect) while three other goons strafe left and right and then awkwardly strike out at him . I really hope that was the tip of the iceberg as far as combat goes because i was looking forward to swinging a blade with some thought and strategy behind it rather than mashing xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for some ADD payoff.

Platinum just seems to be catering to the lowest common denominator and since its no longer considered part of the solid franchise its probably not canon either.

Kudos to anyone that can still say they are excited for this. I just hope its the type of "Fuck yea lets have some beers and watch that one campy 80's sci-fi movie" excited

Now if you'll excuse me...

JACKS GOTTA LET HER RIP!!!
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 21:53
SephirothX
@Browneye
If their games arent your style that's totally acceptable (I never was super high on Bayonetta however I thought Vanquish was sweet) however I thought the combat looked pretty sweet myself.

Also, 80's movie excited is the best excited.
kidplus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 23:24
kidplus
I'm not mad about the new direction but I am a bit disappointed. The previous trailer emphasized cutting everything in the world with an insane amount of detail and precision. This new one just looks like Ninja Gaiden. Don't get me wrong, I like that series but it would've been nice to get something we haven't seen before. Perhaps the gameplay sucked and was little more than a cool looking tech demo, but it's a little sad knowing we won't get to see that vision come to fruition. Plus, Revengeance or whatever the hell they're calling it now sounds really stupid.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2011 23:31
SephirothX
@kidplus
Yeah, going back and rewatching the original Rising trailer... it looks like its using the same engine MGS4 used. Maybe they ran into some major technical limitations with that which caused the switch to Platinum.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/13/2011 15:25
Red TheHaze Veron
I thought the fact that they changed the name to Metal Gear Rising would keep people from whining about the game but I was underestimating people too much. Also, we just saw only 3 minutes of a game that could span dozens of hours so people should STFU about whining about a game that hasn't come out yet.
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