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Kefka is Stupid
SephirothX | 5:52 PM on 04.22.2009 55 comments




First and foremost let me establish one very clear thing, Final Fantasy VII is my personal favorite installment of the Final Fantasy series however I will go as far as to debate against myself that Final Fantasy VI may be an equal or better game. VI and VII are the best two installments in the series. Now that I have gotten this out of the way, there is one major thing that bugs me. Final Fantasy VI has possibly the most generic boring antagonist in any of the Final Fantasy games yet fans seem to clamor to him like he’s some symbol of evil. That’s right, I said it, Kefka Palazzo is a stupid fucking villain.

He is just a poor villain for so many reasons and is the weak link in the stellar Final Fantasy VI as well as the weakest of any Final Fantasy villain (Note: I have not played any Final Fantasy beyond FFX). Everyone overlooks these flaws because he at the time was the first Final Fantasy villain who actually achieved world domination, even though there is a giant asterisk by this as well since villainous world domination ploy was mostly set up by Emperor Gestahl in the first place and Kefka simply turned on him once the Warring Triad statues appeared. World domination and the World of Ruin were inevitable once the Floating Continent was raised, Kefka simply replaced Gestahl as a placeholder villain.



1- He’s A Generic ‘Destroy and/or Take Over The World’ Villain

Seriously. That is it. In one header I’ve just described the entire purpose of Kefka as a villain. He wants to take over the world and kill a bunch of guys. Nothing else, no ulterior motives, no extremely well thought out plot, no idea of what to do after said hostile takeover. He follows a template that everybody from Bowser to Shredder follows.

2- He’s Just Sort of ‘There’

Sephiroth was such a great villain because so much was established about him before you even saw his face. He was set up as a former war hero and legend that tragically fell into darkness upon learning the truth about his origins and his motives were clear to the player because of this. He was a relatively unconventional villain at the time since Sephiroth was introduced well before the ‘tragic villain’ template became extremely overused in popular media (I’m looking at you Sam Raimi and your three Spider-Man movies). Kefka is never given much of an origin or history at all over the course of FF6, all we find out is that he received his powers through a flawed Magicite infusion that fucked up his mind. Beyond that little is known about Kefka except that he’s crazy, and he remains a static character throughout the game and just lingers like a bad case of herpes. The only logical fallback explanation for his diabolical plan is that he’s crazy, which is an explanation that you can use for anybody from Deadpool to Hannibal Lecter. I mean even Sigma from the Mega Man X titles has more back-story and reason than Kefka.



3- He’s Established As The Main Villain Too Late

As mentioned earlier, Kefka is just sort of ‘there’ for a good portion of FF6. Kefka does a couple of minor things that get the storyline going; such as forcing the Slave Crown on Terra and complying with Gestahl’s deception, and poisoning Doma. Beyond these things, he doesn’t have too much direct action beyond being Emperor Gestahl’s right hand man. Even when he kills Leo, he’s mainly doing it because he’s still going with a plan Gestahl set up. By the time Kefka really steps it up and we experience the full amount of insanity, the Floating Continent has already been raised and he kicks Gestahl to his death moments after betraying his Emperor. This all happens just beyond the mid way point of the game, which in my opinion is way too late to establish your villain concretely. Emperor Gestahl was pretty well established as the overlord of the whole evil regime coming up to this point and while signs of Kefka’s betrayal were evident, it was executed at far too late of a point resulting in Kefka’s takeover being a tad jarring and misplaced. Once Celes awakens in the World of Ruin, Kefka resumes his duty of sitting on his ass doing almost nothing for most of the game until you storm Kefka’s tower.

4- He’s A Joker Rip-off

Kefka’s most memorable features are his jester-like appearance and his laugh, oh and that he’s totally crazy. Does this remind you of anybody? Naw it doesn’t remind me of DC’s most popular villain ever… no not a bit. He isn’t a medieval version of The Joker at all. Plus it’s not like Square has ever borrowed things from other media in the past, y’know like naming minor characters Biggs and Wedge, a la Star Wars, in four straight games.



5- He’s Cowardly

Kefka is a complete rank coward. During almost every encounter over the course of Final Fantasy 6 he sends some lower ranked lackeys to take the hit while he flees like a little bitch. The difference between what Kefka does and other villains (I’ll once again reference Sephiroth) is that Kefka willingly sends out others when he could do it himself, a villain such as Sephiroth had to send out Jenova spawns because he was locked inside a fucking chunk of material. Hell, even when he has a confrontation with Leo (a guy who’s technically on the same side as him) he sends a doppelganger into battle and stabs Leo like a sissy. The only time Kefka actually grows a set is when he’s powered by the Warring Triad statues, which is the equivalent of me saying “I can hit a major league fastball” as I step to the plate with a 4 foot wide baseball bat with a steroid syringe hanging off my ass. Villains are supposed to be intimidating and strike fear into you, not cowardly like a comic relief. Did Lavos flee when it appeared after Zeal tried tapping into its power? Fuck no, he blew Crono fucking away for simply raising his sword. Did The Joker run like a little bitch when Batman was charging at him on the Batpod? Hell no, Joker screamed “HIT ME!”. Did Stone Cold Steve Austin tap out like a little woman when Bret Hart locked the Sharpshooter on him at WrestleMania 13? No! He didn’t give up until he passed out from blood loss, and even after that he walked off on his own power! I’ll go as far as to say Seymour from Final Fantasy X was a better villain than Kefka was, at least Seymour got his hands dirty when he wanted to. Kefka is essentially a crazy version of Dalton from Chrono Trigger.

So there, 5 concrete reasons why Kefka is an extremely stupid villain and the obvious weak link in what otherwise is one of the best Final Fantasy games ever. My rant is now over.



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Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:19
Chris Carter
Haha I don't know if you're 100% serious, but I quasi-agree.

I'm not part of the "sucks Kefa's dick" club. XDeath is fucking so much worse though ;D

Give me Golbez or give me death.
BulletMagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:23
BulletMagnet
A few nitpicks -

1) If memory serves, Gestahl wasn't attempting to destroy the world, and tries to stop Kefka when he begins messing with the statues - so while in a way Kefka does "replace" him as the villain he's definitely not a "clone" in the sense that you suggest.

2) On that note, I rather liked the fact that for a good chunk of the game you don't view Kefka as the main villain - it made it all the more striking when he suddenly takes over and wreaks a whole new kind of havoc. If that sort of setup doesn't appeal to you personally that's fine, but I (and others, presumably) experienced the situation differently.

3) I also didn't mind his cowardly side - as you said in an earlier paragraph, how many "heroic/tragic villains" can one take before getting tired of them? Frankly, most evil people prefer to remain safe and let others do their dirty work for them (not naming names or anything...) - in that sense, Kefka's more believable than a "do-it-yourselfer," and more deplorable for it.

To some extent, I do agree that Kefka is somewhat overrated as a villain (and for the record, FF6 is my favorite of the series), as he's mostly a one-note character, but I'd argue that said note does its job effectively - he's an old-fashioned villain, but still memorable simply for how much he throws himself into the part, so to speak. Best villain ever? No, but a total waste of space? That's a ways too harsh, imo - to each his own, however.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:31
notdryad
"Kefka"
"generic villain"

Did you not learn after the last time how I told you you were wrong?
Zoel's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:34
Zoel
Then what about Sephiroth?
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:37
notdryad
He said Sephiroth was great. Trust me, I laughed, too.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:38
SephirothX
@ Bulletmagnet
You make good points (points i figured would be made as I was typing.

1) You're pretty much right. Gestahl wanted to take over the world, Kefka (again falling behind the 'im crazy lol' excuse) just takes it once step further. I guess I kind of view Kefka as a stand in villain because of how he takes his place as the main villain, and if you substitute Kefka in with a villain with a completely different history and personality the game really doesnt change that much in comparison to how much a game would change if you subbed out Lavos in Chrono Trigger, Sephiroth in FF7, or Darth Vader in Star Wars.

2) The fact that Kefka doesnt become the main villain until well into the game just didnt mix with me, kind of like how no real foe appeared for Hulk in the Ang Lee 'Hulk' film. Plus for me, I grew used to hating Gestahl by that point and Kefka taking over once he had access go some god-modding powers just left a sour taste in my mouth and I almost felt lesser for Kefka.

3) I wrote that part remembering that the tragic villain wasnt really popular around that point in time, and that the standard diabolical villain was. (And like I mentioned, Sephiroth only dispatches Jenova clones because he physically cant do it himself).

But yeah, there's my polite rebuttal. I too have to say that FF6 totally rocks, but Kefka is my one big beef with it. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm eating delicious supper ^_^
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:40
SephirothX
@ Zoel and Notdryad

Sephiroth was at least relatively original when he came around. I'm not going to say he was the greatest villain ever, but he's leaps and bounds ahead of Kefka.

(I'm also not going to get into one of those debates about if FF7 is a good game or not. I view it like this, FF7 is to video games what Akira is to anime and what Star Wars is to Sci-Fi)
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:43
notdryad
@Sephirothx

Except Kefka wasn't generic when FFVI first came out, but I'm sure that's lost on you given that I've already explained this once before.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:47
SephirothX
@Notdryad

If you actually read my blog, everything I explained shows that time doesnt really matter when it comes to Kefka. He was a one trick pony then.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:51
notdryad
Time does matter, but, sure, keep telling yourself that, champ. It's irrelevant whether or not you actually pull your fingers out of your ears because he wasn't generic when the game was first released. There are very few, if any, VG villains that pre-date Kefka and represent his entire personality.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:53
blehman
Give me Golbez, or give me death.
ArcticFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:57
ArcticFox
*Grabs popcorn*

Personally I like Kefka, though he is not my favorite, and I pass no judgment on Sepheroth, having played through all of 6 but not 7. That said, most of the FF bosses are generally awesome, even if not totally original. Interesting arguments nonetheless. I'm stepping out of the battleground now.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 18:59
notdryad
You're more than welcome to dislike Kefka if that's what you want, but, at the very least, you could actually use words in their correct usage.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:01
SephirothX
Time doesn't matter. My reasons why he's generic focus simply on the traits the character has, I don't reflect Kefka off of a ton of villains after him (the only one I seriously do with is Sephiroth, but thats because they are the villains from the two best games of the series) and my Seymour comparison was simply me poking fun.

But alright Notdryad. Give me reasons why Kefka was original and why he isn't just a one-trick pony of a villain.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:05
SephirothX
Also, excuse me. Kefka is bland
Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:05
Krow
I'm just going to jump in an say that there was some explanation as to why he was crazy. I'm too lazy to type it out, but it was there. It wasn't just a "I'm crazy lol" situation, though the same could be said for Sephiroth in FFVII. Again though, the backstory was there for Sephiroth as well. You just had to pay attention and dig for it a little.
Chocobo Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:07
Chocobo Knight
I think Kefka earns a lot of respect because he actually managed to destroy the world and rebuild it under his own image. Sure he isn't an extremely fleshed-out villain, but he doesn't explain his actions - he simply does them. Yeah, like Joker, he's a face of unfettered chaos within the Final Fantasy world.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:09
notdryad
Time doesn't matter because you say it doesn't? Sure.

FYI, I never said he wasn't a one-trick pony; I said he wasn't generic, but, please, feel free to put words in my mouth.

Why wasn't he generic back in his time? He was one of the first of his kind for a video game. I know you're going to be all BUT BUT OTHER VILLAINS WANTED TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE WORLD TOO; We all know that. How many of those villains had the gaudy appearance, the trademark cackle with a pre-recorded sound byte, the nihilism, the humor, and wanting to kill everyone just because it was fun for him?
ryu89's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:16
ryu89
I disagree.

The reason why Kefka is such a great villain is mostly why final fantasy 6 in general is such an awesome game. Theres not alot of "Hey look im gonna destroy the world heroes! Eventually..." and then you spend time walking around the world and nothing gets done. At constant turns Kefka just does MESSED UP stuff, not caring to fill you in as he goes along. That's just the way I feel anyway.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:19
SephirothX
Notdryad. I'm not even going to put up a real response to your last comment because you clearly didn't read everything in my post.

@ Chocobo Knight
Yeah, he gets props for actually going through with the 'destroy the world' thing. Like I mentioned though, by the time he rose as the main villain everything was in motion for at least a makeover of the world. Gestahl wouldn't have destroyed it in the same fashion Kefka did, but he more than likely would have redone things in an image he found more suiting.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:19
notdryad
Oh, and here's more for you.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AxCrazy
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AGodAmI
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChaoticEvil
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrazyAwesome
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DrunkOnTheDarkSide
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarthShatteringKaboom
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilLaugh
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaughingMad
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterClown
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoralEventHorizon

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. In nearly all of these, you'll see that Kefka pre-dates essentially every other entry for video games.
notdryad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:23
notdryad
Except that you're leaving out a few things about him, but, that's totally fine; let's just manipulate shit to make ourselves look right.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:28
Chris Carter
Whoa now it's getting personal. I saw this mostly as a comedy piece.

I think we can all agree that Ultimecia sucked and call it a day ;D
etirflita's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 19:51
etirflita
@Magnalon:
NOOOOOO! Time-traveling inter-dimensional body possessing sorceress makes teh best villain!

My favorite Square boss is Romeo Guildenstern, with Ursula the Octopus coming in close second.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 20:15
Naim Master
Sephirot is the best villain if FF , ahahahahahahahahHhhahHAHhHAHhhAHaAahAHAHahAHahAHH!Golbez is clearly the best villain , *SPOILER*you see almost every single friend of yours die trying to kill him , and the closest thing is when you sorta-master does the most badass magic ever , it only cripples Golbez for some secs ...*SPOILER*But Kefka is the second , only cause his name sounds like arabian food ....
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 20:21
Naim Master
Mag'n Bleh , you're now cool people in MY book !
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 20:29
comradetrotskii
I'm slightly drunk and thought you said that Kafka was stupid, then I realised you were talking about some Final Fantasy character so I wasn't really that bothered. For a minute though man, I wanted to break your nose.
Funktastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 20:34
Funktastic
I'm in day 1.5 of my 2 full all-nighters for exams, but I'll make this quick. You should've named this blog "5 Reasons Why I Think Kefka is Stupid" rather than your current one, since it conveys the wrong message in my opinion. Also, Kefka predated a lot of villains FOR HIS TIME, as he was "generic" and all, and I can see why you'd say that, but the difference is that he ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED in destroying the world!

How often did you see that happen? It was groundbreaking, just like how in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back, how Vader (the main villain that you want to hate) reveals he is Luke's father. You NEVER saw it coming and all, just like Kefka. Also, just because he wasn't as involved and such as a villain, doesn't necessarily make him any less of being awesome? It's the goals of the villain and whether or not he actually succeeds in his plans, is what makes a villain a good one or not I believe. Hopefully that was coherent, brain hurts . . . -_-'
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 20:45
comradetrotskii
Funktastic:

What is the difference between 'Kefka is stupid' posted by SephirothX and '5 reasons why Kefka is stupid' posted by SephirothX exactly.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 21:00
SephirothX
Okay. I'm just officially ignoring everything notdryad because I've simply struck his fanboy nerve, and he clearly cant pull his head out of his own anal cavity and put up a real argument outside of 'omg yur so wrong'.

@Funktastic
I actually did think about naming it that ;) but I went with the shorter simple title because I've had a progressively increasing fever all day and just didnt feel like typing out a long name. Also, like I said, Kefka gets alot of props for actually succeeding with his world takeover... but like I said the wheels were already in motion for that to happen before he stepped up and took the mantle of primary villain. It's like a baseball player getting traded to a World Series winner halfway through the season, yes the player actually reaches the championship but things were already in place before he got there.

ANYWAYS HALF OF THESE COMMENTS ARE FAR TOO SERIOUS FOR A HALF SERIOUS BLOG. CALM THE FUCK DOWN.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 21:18
F Whipple
I'm with Magnalon, there's NO way Kefka is worse than Ultimecia (I still love you ff8, don't hate me).

Besides, Kefka did get his hands dirty since he got *Ahem* sand on his boots.

I loved Kefka so I can't agree with you but I'll give you props for writing this
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 21:42
SephirothX
@ Magnalon & F Whipple

Yeah, Ultimecia.... Eh. Not a good villain.
CWal37's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 22:17
CWal37
@Funktastic

Ah, well that explains why you never commented on my FFXII love fest, which gets some digs in on X.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 22:33
Qraze
Sephiroth and Kefka both suck. its heroes who are actually the villains that kick ass. Revan bitches!
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 22:55
ChronosWing
This argument never gets old, usually the people who played ff7 before ff6 like ff7 better. Most people who played ff6 first just tend to hate ff7 because it wasn't 2d and on a Nintendo system.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 23:11
Wexx
"locked inside a fucking chunk of material."
I believe it was called Materia

At first I thought this was a troll post, only having read the headline, but I kind of see some of your points as almost valid.

Sure, Kefka's rip-off of the joker. Does that make his character anything less than what it is? He's still one of the most colorful, entertaining, and twisted villains in games. Almost any character that you see in any medium is attributable to some archetype that has been previously envisioned in some way or another, so get over original characters, it's substance, not the shell that makes the difference. That's like saying that Ikaruga is a shitty game because Galaga did sh'mups better.

I find the whole "He's a coward" arugument a bit silly as well. Kefka is human, and that was one of his quirks: not being able to cope with pain or failure. Sure, it's a negative quality, but does it change the fact that he's still a great character? I Don't think so. It's like your articles title. I think it's one of the most offensive statements I've read all day. This post though, still has a reason, and is relatively well written.

I could go on to say how I really don't care for Final Fantasy VII, or any of its characters, or its hideous in game aesthetics, but I won't. I'll just leave you with my two cents, because I'd rather not argue one of the longest-running debates in the history of games.

Also, what Chronoswing said.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 23:20
SephirothX
*Wexx
Fuck... I put an L at the end of materia. sonofabitch!

But yeah, the Joker analogy was me just being a little silly and trying to make a bridge to Biggs and Wedge :P

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20 but I probably should have went with the 5 Reasons Kefka is Stupid title.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 23:31
hpv
You're stupid! Kefka is fucking awesome. He set up the emperor, letting that fool do all the hard work, and then waltzed in like he owned the place (which he does because he's straight gangsta). Unlike that pansy bitch Sephiroth he didn't need to go traipsing about getting his girly hair done before his pedicure.

And coming in too late? Are you going to argue that Hitler didn't have enough villain "street cred" because he wasn't killing millions of people in 1914? Please!

If you've actually played all the Final Fantasies up through 10 then you should clearly understand that 7 is AT BEST #4 and probably closer to #6.

There certainly is a clown in this thread, but it ain't Kefka. He's a mother-fucking pimp!

Chronoswing: Final Fantasy 7 is solid game with some truly terrible pacing, almost universally poor characters, one of the worst scripts in history, and possibly a decent story if it were well written, but we'll likely never know. As a package it's a middling-to-decent game with a ton of hype, for which I'll gladly subtract points. Ignoring the hype I'd rate it 7/11 if I were keeping score.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2009 23:33
SephirothX
@ Chronoswig
For the record, I did play FF7 before I played FF6. (But 7 was not my first FF I ever played, that goes to FF4). I personally like FF7 better mainly because I like its cast of characters and its more sci-fi setting, and being a sci-fi guy that just appeals to me. However FF6 totally rocks, I wish I actually owned a copy (my best friend has 2 SNES copies and thats how I play them).

FF7 is the only thing I really get 'fanboyish' about that i'll admit, but fucking hell even I know that FF7 is a little too overblown at this point. I just put FF7 in the same category as Akira and Star Wars, which were things that redefined their genres and thus are significant. Does this mean they were the best? No, but their importance is significant.

The only thing that really pisses me off in regards to FF7 is the legion of gamers out there who hate FF7 simply because its FF7. And the fact that it's one of the most consistently popular games of all time is somehow bad in these peoples eyes.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 00:09
ChronosWing
@Sephirothx

And I completely agree with you, while FF6 was technically my first ff I really only rented it when I was 11 and played someone's saved game for 5 minutes before returning it, but I blame that on my age and inability to enjoy games at that age that didn't involve lots of shit blowing up. Chrono Trigger was my first foray into RPG's and is by all means my all time favorite game, but there are haters of that game as well. FF7 was my real first foray into the Final Fantasy Series it will always hold a special place in my past, in fact I just beat it again yesterday after getting everything in the game and mastering my materia. Now that I'm 24 and can understand the game better, I will have to agree that its not the best peice of writing ever but it still is an amazing RPG with one of the most clever magic systems. The materia system is just awesome, I spent hours just tweaking materia combination's to best Ruby Weapon(FUCK HIM). I'm also one of the people who enjoy FFX, and didn't really like ff9. I also cried at Aerith's death, the end of crisis core, and the end of Advent Children(yes I know, blame it on having played crisis core first and for some reason seeing Aerith and Zack in that final good bye just got me). Maybe I just like the futuristic settings of the games better than the medieval settings. Maybe we all just have Nostalgia goggles on and need to just STFUAJPG. I vote for the later.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 00:28
Chris Carter
@Chrono
Dragon Warrior was my first foray into RPGs, but Chrono Trigger was when I started to REALLY get into them. I loathed FF1-3 but really, really dug 4 and 6. After that, I bought Lunar and Persona for the PSX and the rest is history...

Also, kill off two party members before Ruby, wait til he digs his claws in, then revive them. Or spend 10 hours grinding W-Summon Knights of the Round/Mime like I did, haha.

Since universally 6 is considered the best pre-PSX FF, whether you like it or 7 better is a fucking crapshoot. 7 had tons better gameplay and extras (but 6 did had Chupon!), and 6 had a WAY better story and much better characters, with a more fantasy setting.
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 01:35
ChronosWing
@Mag

I ended up saying fuck it, set cloud up so when I walked into battle he had 7677 hp, I hit his claws with omnislash, then when he takes his claws back out I drink a potion, lucky 7777's. Cloud hits him 64 times, he still lives, I w-item dazers(stop) 2 of them in case one misses. With him stopped I w-item phoenix downs revives both party members with 7777 hp. W-Magic Comet 2 dealing 7777 damage for each comet that hits him, mime until he dies.

Also why does fantasy setting always have to imply medieval setting? All Final Fantasy games take place in a fantasy setting whether its steam punk, futuristic or medieval, they are all fantasy worlds that in no way resemble ours. I honestly thought 7 had the better story, but I am also partial to all things steam punk and scifi. Which is why I like 7, 8, and 10 more than I like the others. Tactics is the only one I REALLY enjoyed that was in a medieval setting, the story is by far the best in the series even though it wasn't a standard FF. In fact all the square games that are in the Ivalice universe are pretty amazing. I'm really looking forward to XIII with it having that futuristic setting again I can't wait.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 02:19
Chris Carter
Enh - subgenres of fantasy are what you listed, but ultimately it's fantasy/sci-fi/or both with sub-genres. I didn't mean to say that fantasy always implied medieval (I don't think I said that, just that 6 was more fantasy than sci-fi).

Really it's

4-5 Fantasy sub Medieval
6 - Fantasy sub Steampunk
7 - Sci-fi
8 - Sci-fi sub Quasi-Modern Steampunk
9 - Fantasy sub Medieval
10 - Mix (Modern)
11 - Fantasy sub Medieval
12 - Mix (Medieval)
13 - Sci-fi
FalconReaper's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 07:19
FalconReaper
The only reason why I like Kefka is because I see him as a satire of the stereotypical supervillian. Also, Give me Golbez or Give me Death !
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 12:34
gregatrons
ok, i'll read the rest of this post in a minute. i just wanted to comment really quickly @ Blehman.

@Blehman:

Awesome. That is all.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 12:43
Chris Carter
@Gregatrons
He just echoed my quote! Thanks for noticing ;D!
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 12:58
gregatrons
ok, now that i've read the entire thing and most of the comments succeeding, I can say you bring up some valid points sir. However, I believe, due to Squinex's relentless quest to milk the FFVII franchise until it has to evolve and grow boobs that will forcefully be ripped off from tugging, that the character of Sephiroth has become a stale, ordinary villain. At the time, he was outstanding: Huge sword, black attire, long silver hair. However, with the birth of Kadaj and the Advent Children bullshit, I feel like Sephiroth's name has been sullied and therefore irritating.

As for Kefka, I feel like comparing him the Joker will only make it more badass. The Joker has been hailed to many as the best fucking villain of all time, so if Kefka is like him, all the better. And, it seems to me that you mention how Kefka was nothing new at the time he came out. Well, perhaps that true. And perhaps its true that Sephiroth was more original when VII came out.

But when it comes to comparing the two today, I think Kefka is more interesting and more villainous. Thanks to Squinex, Sephiroth has become nothing more than an ugly cos for goth chicks...IMO.
gregatrons's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 13:11
gregatrons
@Magnalon

Whoops, in my haste to comment i didnt even notice you said that first. ahem. well then.

Awesome [Magnalon]. That is all.
Ckarasu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 15:05
Ckarasu
Uh, I really hate to say this, but I liked Ultimecia more than Kefka (I'm terrible, I know). Of course, my all time favorite FF villain was Kuja.
The Phantom Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/23/2009 15:46
The Phantom Gamer
Did Lavos flee when it appeared after Zeal tried tapping into its power? Fuck no, he blew Crono fucking away for simply raising his sword.

^^^^ this.

This is why I stand by my argument that Lavos is the badassest of all bad asses.

He's got spikes
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