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Sure. Sony really should have gotten gritty with some oldschool side by side comparison ads.
You do sound like a total "fanboy" though.
You do sound like a total "fanboy" though.
People bitch about the PS3's price because well, in large groups people are stupid. They want, and in some cases demand, the PS3 to be able to do more then the competition but yet get angry that it costs more.
Yeah- I would like a Big Mac, large fries, and a Coke for the cost of a Happy Meal.. but I'm not going to get that either.
Yeah- I would like a Big Mac, large fries, and a Coke for the cost of a Happy Meal.. but I'm not going to get that either.
I'm waiting for games coming out next year.
I'll buy the console for the games, not for the specs, even if I agree with everything you said.
I'll buy the console for the games, not for the specs, even if I agree with everything you said.
jesus christ, fanboy argument number 1
When it gets down to it, no average consumer gives a damn about about the add on prices. You must remember, not everyone who plays games sits and calculates the prices of accessories while they surf video game blogs. In the end they see The Wii at $249, the 360 at $300 and the PS3 at $400 and think "man the PS3 is expensive." They don't think "oh well it comes with an internal wireless adapter. that saves me money!" Like it or not, the PS3's price point IS hurting the sales still. But it's not going to change anytime soon. The economy is in the shitter and Sony still loses money on every PS3 they sell, so if they lower the price they're going to lose MORE money.
and the next time you pull this argument up, you know since it's still fresh and new for the past two and a half years, get the facts straight. All 360's come with a 60GB HDD
When it gets down to it, no average consumer gives a damn about about the add on prices. You must remember, not everyone who plays games sits and calculates the prices of accessories while they surf video game blogs. In the end they see The Wii at $249, the 360 at $300 and the PS3 at $400 and think "man the PS3 is expensive." They don't think "oh well it comes with an internal wireless adapter. that saves me money!" Like it or not, the PS3's price point IS hurting the sales still. But it's not going to change anytime soon. The economy is in the shitter and Sony still loses money on every PS3 they sell, so if they lower the price they're going to lose MORE money.
and the next time you pull this argument up, you know since it's still fresh and new for the past two and a half years, get the facts straight. All 360's come with a 60GB HDD
The PS3 definitely has more features out of the box than the Xbox360, but a lot of them aren't features that most consumers care about.
Especially in this economy the card readers, wireless internet, web browser, bigger hard drive and so on don't represent $100 worth of value.
If you look at the closest competition, Xbox 360 offers a bare bones box at $199. That plays just about all of the same games. For a lot of people, that's all the comparison they need. It does basically the same thing, but for $200 less.
The Blu-Ray player is a great added value, but only if you have an HD setup to take advantage of it. If you're already price conscious, there's a good chance you don't have a nice big 1080p and surround setup. If that's the case, then Blu-Ray isn't going to be a huge improvement over DVD.
Free online play over PSN is nice, but if you're not big on multiplayer gaming it's another feature you could live without.
Also, Microsoft has also a very good job of obscuring the cost of LIVE with gold and silver accounts. Technically everyone with an internet connection can use Xbox LIVE, and even single player games that just report achievements are "LIVE enabled". In their marketing MS can say that Xbox LIVE is free to use. Technically this is true, and it makes it harder for consumers to understand why free play on PSN is a big deal.
So assuming you don't find a lot of value in a web browser, card reader, big Hard Drive, wireless internet, and Blu-Ray, you're left with two machines that do basically the same thing - play the current generation of video games - and one is more expensive than the other. For a lot of people that's pretty much there is to it.
Especially in this economy the card readers, wireless internet, web browser, bigger hard drive and so on don't represent $100 worth of value.
If you look at the closest competition, Xbox 360 offers a bare bones box at $199. That plays just about all of the same games. For a lot of people, that's all the comparison they need. It does basically the same thing, but for $200 less.
The Blu-Ray player is a great added value, but only if you have an HD setup to take advantage of it. If you're already price conscious, there's a good chance you don't have a nice big 1080p and surround setup. If that's the case, then Blu-Ray isn't going to be a huge improvement over DVD.
Free online play over PSN is nice, but if you're not big on multiplayer gaming it's another feature you could live without.
Also, Microsoft has also a very good job of obscuring the cost of LIVE with gold and silver accounts. Technically everyone with an internet connection can use Xbox LIVE, and even single player games that just report achievements are "LIVE enabled". In their marketing MS can say that Xbox LIVE is free to use. Technically this is true, and it makes it harder for consumers to understand why free play on PSN is a big deal.
So assuming you don't find a lot of value in a web browser, card reader, big Hard Drive, wireless internet, and Blu-Ray, you're left with two machines that do basically the same thing - play the current generation of video games - and one is more expensive than the other. For a lot of people that's pretty much there is to it.
Pro comes with 60? I got the shaft then Got a 20 in mine, but I did buy my system about 2 years ago, and thats probably why
@Solgrim,
Actually, no PS3 versions have PS2 compatability anymore. They axed that well over a year ago. I have to say that it's sad that Sony is hacking away at features and functionality but isn't cutting the price to go along with it.
I'm afraid of what might occur should anything happen to my 60gb PS3. There's no other way to get that upscaling on PS2 games.
Actually, no PS3 versions have PS2 compatability anymore. They axed that well over a year ago. I have to say that it's sad that Sony is hacking away at features and functionality but isn't cutting the price to go along with it.
I'm afraid of what might occur should anything happen to my 60gb PS3. There's no other way to get that upscaling on PS2 games.
Why people bitch is simple. Sony are renowned for their stiff ass pricing, especially in japan. Anyone else in last place would drop the price of their system to match the competitor and even things out, but Sony think their product is too good for us to do this.
The second reason is simply that 360 packages offer better value for money. An Elite is the top of the line currently, with a sweet sized hard drive, but even below that, with a premium it offers a complete pack set for gaming, that is better value for money.
Now Sony will forever tout Blu Ray as the next messiah media, but this and PS3s worth is kind of quashed as stand alone Blu Ray players are now starting to appear cheap, with recordable Blu Ray not far behind. Blu Ray films are a sweet extra, not the necessity many make out.
I want to own all consoles too, but I'll bag a PS3, when it gets to about £200. My patience will pay off in the end. Until then, my 360 will do nicely, thanks.
The second reason is simply that 360 packages offer better value for money. An Elite is the top of the line currently, with a sweet sized hard drive, but even below that, with a premium it offers a complete pack set for gaming, that is better value for money.
Now Sony will forever tout Blu Ray as the next messiah media, but this and PS3s worth is kind of quashed as stand alone Blu Ray players are now starting to appear cheap, with recordable Blu Ray not far behind. Blu Ray films are a sweet extra, not the necessity many make out.
I want to own all consoles too, but I'll bag a PS3, when it gets to about £200. My patience will pay off in the end. Until then, my 360 will do nicely, thanks.
How about the people who cant afford PS3's get real jobs, and not stick with $7 an hour jobs? (If you're in college right now, thats an exception, because I understand and have been there).
Weather you work at a 7 buck an hour job or a 70 buck an hour job, 100 bucks is a lot to spare for now a days.
I think that whether or not the PS3 is worth it to you is wholly dependant on what you're looking for out of a videogame console. If you want it just to play games on, the price might appear to be a little prohibitive. If you're a technology geek, you're probably gonna want it for all the things you can do with it besides playing games, which might make Sony's asking price a little easier to stomach.
So yeah, it's subjective.
So yeah, it's subjective.
WELCOME TO 2007, CREATURE FROM AFAR! HERE ON EARTH, WE DEBATE ENDLESSLY ABOUT THE SAME "FANBOY" CONSOLE SUBJECTS FOR YEARS AND YEARS, SOMETIMES BRINGING IN "NUMBER CRUNCHES" TO PROVE OUR POINTS. HERE'S AN IDEA, MR. GELGAMEK, HOW ABOUT YOU USE YOUR SPACE BUCKS AND BUY BOTH SYSTEMS?
Have you seen Ruby Rhod in your galaxy lately? Bitch owes me $5.
Have you seen Ruby Rhod in your galaxy lately? Bitch owes me $5.
Magnalon seems the be the only one throwing the word fanboy around. My original post was simply asking why do people bitch about the price of the system with all that comes with it. Its not a 360 VS PS3 THREAD. I was just using 360 as a crutch for my post. Like I said, I own both systems, I currently play my 360 more, plus my ps3 controller took a dive and I slammed it against my door :) $50 dollars and some door damage down just made my pockets a bit deeper.
Senger:
"Magnalon seems the be the only one throwing the word fanboy around"
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Covah
"jesus christ, fanboy argument number 1."
Tubatic
"You do sound like a total 'fanboy' though."
The point is, we've seen it all before. I don't even know if this is forum worthy.
"Magnalon seems the be the only one throwing the word fanboy around"
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Covah
"jesus christ, fanboy argument number 1."
Tubatic
"You do sound like a total 'fanboy' though."
The point is, we've seen it all before. I don't even know if this is forum worthy.
I wonder that myself considering the 360 was the same price at one point and there wasn't half the bitching that happens these days.
