Since I starting writing music reviews, I've also learned quite a bit about relying on silly comparisons to formulate reviews. It happens too often, and I've had band members write in to me to thank me for not using the popular, lazy comparisons. Sure, they can be useful sometimes, but what you're describing is most definitely ridiculous, and unmistakably lazy.
I've done it a few times, but I like to believe that I've never done something quite that bad. It really is the easy way out, and I'm glad that we've got people to call out reviewers that take the easy route, especially when it's so obviously dumb.
I've done it a few times, but I like to believe that I've never done something quite that bad. It really is the easy way out, and I'm glad that we've got people to call out reviewers that take the easy route, especially when it's so obviously dumb.
"All the World's an Age, and all the men and women merely Dragons. "
You are a master quip-smith!
Yeah. Any LOTR-Clone assertion is pretty dumb, really. I'm glad I made my mind on this game from 2 good reviews. I am having a BALL with this game!
You are a master quip-smith!
Yeah. Any LOTR-Clone assertion is pretty dumb, really. I'm glad I made my mind on this game from 2 good reviews. I am having a BALL with this game!
I really haven't read any reviews in depth, so I haven't seen the LOTR comparisons first-hand, but this was a great read. Bringing up Martin and Shakespeare was right-on. There's loads of references and homages to all kinds of other works, but Dragon Age is still very much it's own beast, and I'm loving it.
Excellent blog as always!!
Actually having some "familiarities" of makes the game more enjoyable for people that like these type of fantasy games. The "Elven" race is a common one and we have a general acceptance of them, though they do differ slightly in each different game. The story's overall arc as you've said is familiar ground, but plays out differently depending on your own responses within the game. The overall story, setting and races give the game it's "fantasy" genre... otherwise it would be unfamiliar territory and might be more "sci fi".
Actually having some "familiarities" of makes the game more enjoyable for people that like these type of fantasy games. The "Elven" race is a common one and we have a general acceptance of them, though they do differ slightly in each different game. The story's overall arc as you've said is familiar ground, but plays out differently depending on your own responses within the game. The overall story, setting and races give the game it's "fantasy" genre... otherwise it would be unfamiliar territory and might be more "sci fi".
@kauza -- I had never given much thought to it before, but you do see those in music critique all the time, don't you? (i.e. Oasis is a Beatles clone/wannabe)
@Tubatic -- The reviews I found most helpful were the ones who were Baldur's Gate disciples and purists. They would be the most likely to rip it to shreds for not living up to the pedigree. When they gave it a recommendation, I felt good about picking it up.
@Zombie -- I think there's also a chance that many reviewers were in such a rush to get their reviews completed that they couldn't soak in the story and experience what makes it it's own beast, like you said. Without exploring the story, the temptations is to make superficial comparisons, since that's all they really exposed themselves to was the surface.
@Elsa -- Exactly! You don't blame one kid for building something out of LEGOs just because another kid did. It's what one does with those fundamental building blocks that determines its "originality".
@Tubatic -- The reviews I found most helpful were the ones who were Baldur's Gate disciples and purists. They would be the most likely to rip it to shreds for not living up to the pedigree. When they gave it a recommendation, I felt good about picking it up.
@Zombie -- I think there's also a chance that many reviewers were in such a rush to get their reviews completed that they couldn't soak in the story and experience what makes it it's own beast, like you said. Without exploring the story, the temptations is to make superficial comparisons, since that's all they really exposed themselves to was the surface.
@Elsa -- Exactly! You don't blame one kid for building something out of LEGOs just because another kid did. It's what one does with those fundamental building blocks that determines its "originality".
Really good blog and I totally agree. Anyone using the LOTRO argument betrays how shallow their knowledge of fantasy is. It's like people who say all British game reviewers are trying to be Yahtzee. They know ONE thing, and have it as their sole comparison, so everything is ripping it off.
It's all been done before, the differences therefore come not from the story itself, but from it's execution. Really you could draw comparisons between any two stories if you tried hard enough (sounds like a fun party game actually), I can only suppose the reviewers think they are pandering to the masses with their generalizations. Case in point, how many people besides you have taken up the torch and actually called them out on it?
@Jim -- The sad part is that it's not hard to find detailed information on the topic. I'm a lifelong Tolkien fan, and even I learned a few new things about Tolkien and LOTR through a simple Google search.
@Zodiac -- I'm curious how much of it is pandering, how much is condescending to the readers, and how much is just not knowing what they don't know? I agree, you can stretch enough to eventually make the connection between any two things.
@Zodiac -- I'm curious how much of it is pandering, how much is condescending to the readers, and how much is just not knowing what they don't know? I agree, you can stretch enough to eventually make the connection between any two things.
High Fantasy is such a hard genre to stand out in. People that aren't into it don't get the subtle differences that most of the different stories have. Sure, they all have similar archetypes and themes, but come on... Saying Dragon Age is a LOTR clone is like saying Mass Effect is a Star Wars clone.
I need to get Dragon Age... Maybe for christmas -_-
I need to get Dragon Age... Maybe for christmas -_-
@Walk, interestingly enough I think what starts out as pandering to the lowest common denominator to reach the widest audience quickly spirals into just being what the demographic comes to expect. It's like how all rock radio stations have really jaded sounding DJ's who apparently all hate women and think drinking until you vomit is the coolest thing ever. They started saying things like that because they thought it was what the audience wanted to hear and the people listening go along with it because nobody wants to be the nerd who "doesn't get it". Eventually it's condescending to the audience, but most of them don't even realize it because they've gotten so used to it over the years.
God dammit walkyourpath, it's quotes like "But for these reviewers, they simply couldn't see the forest for the ents." that make me want your babies.
Good post. I just finished reading the first book, and am onto the second :)
Heres something i've always wondered : As a diehard tolkien fan, what do you think about the LOTR movies? Like, dislike, hate? I mean, I know they cut out huge chunks of the books (Like the tom bombadil part), but I still enjoy them.
I always also wonder what Ol' Tolkien would think of the movies if he saw them now...
Heres something i've always wondered : As a diehard tolkien fan, what do you think about the LOTR movies? Like, dislike, hate? I mean, I know they cut out huge chunks of the books (Like the tom bombadil part), but I still enjoy them.
I always also wonder what Ol' Tolkien would think of the movies if he saw them now...
Nicely written my friend. I've yet to play DA:O and my LOTR lore is not up to snuff, I read the books a long ass time ago, but I'm glad to see that Bioware isn't ripping off Tolkien and that all the fantasy comparisons are wrong.
@bushofghosts -- *blush*
@Cartman -- I really thought the movies were excellent, even as a diehard fan of the books. I'd discuss my biggest dissapointment with you, but I don't want to spoil the books for you. When you read the section of the books titled "The Scouring of the Shire" and compare it to the movies, you'll know what I'm talking about. Other than that (and a few other minor quibbles), I think they did a great job, especially if you watch the extended editions.
@grafkhun -- thx! That's another point I didn't get the time to make -- Bioware doesn't need to rip off Tolkien. They have a stable of talented writers to work with, and they have the lore of the previous Baldur's Gate games to draw from.
@Cartman -- I really thought the movies were excellent, even as a diehard fan of the books. I'd discuss my biggest dissapointment with you, but I don't want to spoil the books for you. When you read the section of the books titled "The Scouring of the Shire" and compare it to the movies, you'll know what I'm talking about. Other than that (and a few other minor quibbles), I think they did a great job, especially if you watch the extended editions.
@grafkhun -- thx! That's another point I didn't get the time to make -- Bioware doesn't need to rip off Tolkien. They have a stable of talented writers to work with, and they have the lore of the previous Baldur's Gate games to draw from.

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