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"Where have 'you' people been where this is all a sudden a problem with this one?"
I was rabbling at the fucking Babbages/Electronics Botique (/nostalgia bomb) in my spider man underwear when they pulled that shit on the SNES. Where were you?! :D
"And the fact that they stated it wouldn't be full retail price."
ODST. Just sayin'. It's a possibility.
Also, this isn't prejudging before the facts. The facts are
-It's the same exact engine (read: copy + paste)
-With minor tweaks, similar to Guilty Gear X(X - ugh) and other rehashes
All this said, I'll still buy it, but its my right to want a sequel over a rehash, and be vocal about it. In my opinion, the best Capcom fighting games, hands down, were the games made from the ground up on the first damn try, like SNK 2, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 2.
I was rabbling at the fucking Babbages/Electronics Botique (/nostalgia bomb) in my spider man underwear when they pulled that shit on the SNES. Where were you?! :D
"And the fact that they stated it wouldn't be full retail price."
ODST. Just sayin'. It's a possibility.
Also, this isn't prejudging before the facts. The facts are
-It's the same exact engine (read: copy + paste)
-With minor tweaks, similar to Guilty Gear X(X - ugh) and other rehashes
All this said, I'll still buy it, but its my right to want a sequel over a rehash, and be vocal about it. In my opinion, the best Capcom fighting games, hands down, were the games made from the ground up on the first damn try, like SNK 2, and Marvel Vs. Capcom 2.
My point was, this was kind of expected. This is not the first time a SF game has had this happened and to me complaining about this kind of thing now is kind of a moot point since it has happened with almost every other SF title.
And the ODST thing is a little different considering they charged full price for that and crammed the rest of the stuff on the disc which was already readily available on another. Plus the fact that we don't know anything outside of the little bit of news given, so judging it this early is a little much.
And the ODST thing is a little different considering they charged full price for that and crammed the rest of the stuff on the disc which was already readily available on another. Plus the fact that we don't know anything outside of the little bit of news given, so judging it this early is a little much.
But you have to remember that DLC wasn't a possibility with past games and is now common place. I mean we've seen some pretty big game-changing updates already with Burnout Paradise and Warhawk for example. There is no realistic reason why they can't just update via download. I'm not saying they're not allowed releasing it in retail but I would much rather download it than rebuy the game.
I'm going to blame harddrive-less 360s as a possible reason for the problem though :P.
I'm going to blame harddrive-less 360s as a possible reason for the problem though :P.
I love that they didn't make it full price, even though I have SFIV I'll probably pick this up the day of release.
Actually, the little info that has been said outright(with plenty more to come in the next 8 months until release) is already bigger than most fighting game upgrades have ever been. If all of the leaked news is true, and they go back and re-do/significantly add on to existing stages and other things of that nature(like character models & other graphical crap). As well having a more in-depth, more useful training mode, new music, new endings for everyone(seeing as one of the rumors is that it takes place 1 year after the events of the first SFIV), and anything else I can't think of.
I think it's a matter of healthy skepticism (to be fair, no one really knows what they are doing until they officially announce it) mixed with a bit of gamer disappointment in anything.
I think Capcom are being pretty fair about it, providing they keep to their promise of a reduced price (which to me is not even that big a factor). I'm happy it's a separate disc and will probably trade in my copy of SFIV or give it away to a less fortunate gamer.
I think Capcom are being pretty fair about it, providing they keep to their promise of a reduced price (which to me is not even that big a factor). I'm happy it's a separate disc and will probably trade in my copy of SFIV or give it away to a less fortunate gamer.
The point is, they shouldn't be doing it in teh first place.
"IT" being releasing new features to existing games. Take an extra month or two at the start of production and include the characters.
But it's just being a big companies are greedy and that's the cld hard truth.
"IT" being releasing new features to existing games. Take an extra month or two at the start of production and include the characters.
But it's just being a big companies are greedy and that's the cld hard truth.
Listen dude, the thing is that gamers are a loud, obnoxious sort. They will piss and moan about everything and anything, no matter how little it's actually deserving of the negativity, or how little they actually know about it. Knee-jerk reactions and uninformed opinions are the order of the day amongst the gamer crowd. I'd be more surprised if the collective nerd hive-mind actually decided it liked something for once instead of playing at being savvy and preemptively hating everything as a rule of thumb.
What I'm getting at is that you can release any piece of gaming related information, and paradoxically, the very people who claim to love the hobby will deride, debase, and deconstruct it until it's impossible for anyone to derive any enjoyment from it. The trick is just to accept that gamers are a negative bunch and either just ignore it or accept it for what it is. All the baseless, rampant negativity isn't going to stop you from enjoying SSFIV if you're so inclined.
What I'm getting at is that you can release any piece of gaming related information, and paradoxically, the very people who claim to love the hobby will deride, debase, and deconstruct it until it's impossible for anyone to derive any enjoyment from it. The trick is just to accept that gamers are a negative bunch and either just ignore it or accept it for what it is. All the baseless, rampant negativity isn't going to stop you from enjoying SSFIV if you're so inclined.
There will be more systems in a few years, and what will happen to all that cool dlc i bought? more likely gone...
so i have no real issue in buying a disc, knowing for the next few years i will be able to play it all still.
so i have no real issue in buying a disc, knowing for the next few years i will be able to play it all still.
@Cyberxion
My point is I'll still be enjoying the great games, but if we don't fight this shit at all, we'll be walked over for all of eternity. People are somehow making outrageous fanboy claims that this DLC would be 6GB, and therefore couldn't be DLC: are you serious? That's double what the original game was!
People bitch that gamers whine too much, and then they bitch that we have no rights when it comes to price gouging because we have no collective voice. Did you tell the UK Modern Warefare 2 price hiking protesters that they were spoiled and had a sense of entitlement?
I fail to see how this is drastically different, considering a myriad of games have added FULL content updates (3GB+) for free, with absolutely no problem over a network connection. I'm telling you from my experience with Capcom (hell, it's my favorite developer) that they've pulled this shit often, since I was in diapers, but they really cooled off on the "Super Hyper Third Strike" crap in recent years by bringing out fully justified sequels: now, they're doing it again, so we should keep quiet? Heh.
I think just because its the sacred "Street Fighter IV", people are giving it a free pass, but Street Fighter III was no different. This "upgrade" paves the way for Super Street Fighter IV: Hyper Fighting, which we'll be paying $40+ for.
My point is I'll still be enjoying the great games, but if we don't fight this shit at all, we'll be walked over for all of eternity. People are somehow making outrageous fanboy claims that this DLC would be 6GB, and therefore couldn't be DLC: are you serious? That's double what the original game was!
People bitch that gamers whine too much, and then they bitch that we have no rights when it comes to price gouging because we have no collective voice. Did you tell the UK Modern Warefare 2 price hiking protesters that they were spoiled and had a sense of entitlement?
I fail to see how this is drastically different, considering a myriad of games have added FULL content updates (3GB+) for free, with absolutely no problem over a network connection. I'm telling you from my experience with Capcom (hell, it's my favorite developer) that they've pulled this shit often, since I was in diapers, but they really cooled off on the "Super Hyper Third Strike" crap in recent years by bringing out fully justified sequels: now, they're doing it again, so we should keep quiet? Heh.
I think just because its the sacred "Street Fighter IV", people are giving it a free pass, but Street Fighter III was no different. This "upgrade" paves the way for Super Street Fighter IV: Hyper Fighting, which we'll be paying $40+ for.
The question I have is if there really is no way they could make this DLC, what does that say about the skill of the developers of the game?
As many people have noted, other games have made much more drastic changes to their games as DLC. And the fact that SSFIV is being announced so soon after the original was released, they had to have had some idea that they wanted to do this.
So why didn't they make the original game able to support these changes to DLC?
Sounds like lazy or greedy development to me.
As many people have noted, other games have made much more drastic changes to their games as DLC. And the fact that SSFIV is being announced so soon after the original was released, they had to have had some idea that they wanted to do this.
So why didn't they make the original game able to support these changes to DLC?
Sounds like lazy or greedy development to me.
I think some of the changes have to do with a lot of the 'top tier' characters. And there is no way of knowing any of that stuff until you get the game out there and realize what characters need tweaks and what not.
But things like the Online Match making should have had a lot of that stuff from the beginning.
That doesn't justify it not being dlc or anything, but if the content of the disc warrants the price, then I don't really have a problem with it not being dlc.
But things like the Online Match making should have had a lot of that stuff from the beginning.
That doesn't justify it not being dlc or anything, but if the content of the disc warrants the price, then I don't really have a problem with it not being dlc.
I don't know that I was talking specifically about you Magnalon. I do admit that I was generalizing a fair bit though, and for that I apologize. Sometimes, as in the case of the Modern Warfare 2 price-gouging that happened just for the sake of doing it, the bitching is understandable. However since you brought it up, I would most certainly say that bitching about this particular game does speak to a sense of self-entitlement.
See, you folks clearly want this content, but you want it on your terms. I think that's made evident by the fact that you're not complaining about the content itself, just the fact that it's not DLC. Which is a complaint that rides on the back of the baseless assumption that this would have cost less as DLC, by the way. So you're cool with getting a bunch of new stuff, you just want it delivered to you in the medium that you dictate it should be delivered in, and you only want it delivered to you in that medium because you assume that it would save you a few bucks. Besides speaking to a sense of self-entitlement, that's also really kind of self-serving. Sort of makes all the bitching seem a little disingenuous, don't you think?
Really though, I was addressing the fact that gamers will find any little thing to complain about in any bit of news out there, often without any reason. Now they'll often dress it up in some flimsy justification or another, making ham-handed allusions to an ever-threatening "bigger issue"--which seems to suggest that they feel that they're responsible for policing what the rest of us choose to buy--but the fact is that if we weren't such self-entitled ass bags, we might realize that our desire to play every game we're even mildly interested in doesn't equate an entitlement to do so. And when we finally come to grips with that, then maybe we'd stop bitching about every little aspect of the hobby.
I know that this sounds awfully cynical, and I'm sure someone will try and make the case that I'm contributing to that aforementioned mysterious "bigger issue", but I guess that I just didn't get the memo when playing videogames became a right. Besides, we speak far more effectively with our wallets than we do by complaining. So if you're really so opposed to this content being put on a disk, then just come to terms with the fact that you're not entitled to play it and just don't buy it. It's really that simple.
Now I know that I can't expect you folks to stop bitching, which was sort of the point of my last post. Sanious needs to realize that gamers are a negative bunch as a rule of thumb, and just learn to let it slide. As grating as it may be, nobody can tell you to stop, and trying to appeal to your better judgment is a fruitless effort besides. :P
I'm not buying it. I have a perfectly serviceable copy of SFIV sitting on my shelf right now. If I felt compelled to check out the extra content in SSFIV, then I'd buy it, but I don't, so I won't. It's really that simple, dude. You'd be surprised how
I suppose that I can't stop anyone from bitching, which was actually part of what I was getting at in my last post. You can complain about whatever you want to. We don't have to like it though, or pretend to be sympathetic about it when we're not.
might just realize that we're not entitled to dictate terms no matter how much money we spend on the hobby. 3I mean shit dude, your wallet speaks more effectively than any amount of bitching ever will, so if you're so opposed to the way that this content is being delivered, then come to terms with the fact that you have no claim to it and just don't buy the disk. Or, I dunno, rent it. Then you can play it, and you didn't pay anything for it besides the cost of the rental. I don't know when the hell gaming became a right.
speak with our wallets, and that furthermore, it's not our job to police our fellow gamers. You in particular have to accept that if we ever get to the point where Capcom releases Hyper Street Fighter IV, it will have been because you ended up in the minority after all was said and done. Which would really take the wind out of the whole "We're being walked all over" argument's sails, now wouldn't it?
Now you can dress it up however you want, but let's be honest with one another here. That's what it's about, isn't it? Why else would you complain about it not being DLC, if not because you feel that you're entitled to it, but you don't want to pay a lot for that muffler?
See, you folks clearly want this content, but you want it on your terms. I think that's made evident by the fact that you're not complaining about the content itself, just the fact that it's not DLC. Which is a complaint that rides on the back of the baseless assumption that this would have cost less as DLC, by the way. So you're cool with getting a bunch of new stuff, you just want it delivered to you in the medium that you dictate it should be delivered in, and you only want it delivered to you in that medium because you assume that it would save you a few bucks. Besides speaking to a sense of self-entitlement, that's also really kind of self-serving. Sort of makes all the bitching seem a little disingenuous, don't you think?
Really though, I was addressing the fact that gamers will find any little thing to complain about in any bit of news out there, often without any reason. Now they'll often dress it up in some flimsy justification or another, making ham-handed allusions to an ever-threatening "bigger issue"--which seems to suggest that they feel that they're responsible for policing what the rest of us choose to buy--but the fact is that if we weren't such self-entitled ass bags, we might realize that our desire to play every game we're even mildly interested in doesn't equate an entitlement to do so. And when we finally come to grips with that, then maybe we'd stop bitching about every little aspect of the hobby.
I know that this sounds awfully cynical, and I'm sure someone will try and make the case that I'm contributing to that aforementioned mysterious "bigger issue", but I guess that I just didn't get the memo when playing videogames became a right. Besides, we speak far more effectively with our wallets than we do by complaining. So if you're really so opposed to this content being put on a disk, then just come to terms with the fact that you're not entitled to play it and just don't buy it. It's really that simple.
Now I know that I can't expect you folks to stop bitching, which was sort of the point of my last post. Sanious needs to realize that gamers are a negative bunch as a rule of thumb, and just learn to let it slide. As grating as it may be, nobody can tell you to stop, and trying to appeal to your better judgment is a fruitless effort besides. :P
I'm not buying it. I have a perfectly serviceable copy of SFIV sitting on my shelf right now. If I felt compelled to check out the extra content in SSFIV, then I'd buy it, but I don't, so I won't. It's really that simple, dude. You'd be surprised how
I suppose that I can't stop anyone from bitching, which was actually part of what I was getting at in my last post. You can complain about whatever you want to. We don't have to like it though, or pretend to be sympathetic about it when we're not.
might just realize that we're not entitled to dictate terms no matter how much money we spend on the hobby. 3I mean shit dude, your wallet speaks more effectively than any amount of bitching ever will, so if you're so opposed to the way that this content is being delivered, then come to terms with the fact that you have no claim to it and just don't buy the disk. Or, I dunno, rent it. Then you can play it, and you didn't pay anything for it besides the cost of the rental. I don't know when the hell gaming became a right.
speak with our wallets, and that furthermore, it's not our job to police our fellow gamers. You in particular have to accept that if we ever get to the point where Capcom releases Hyper Street Fighter IV, it will have been because you ended up in the minority after all was said and done. Which would really take the wind out of the whole "We're being walked all over" argument's sails, now wouldn't it?
Now you can dress it up however you want, but let's be honest with one another here. That's what it's about, isn't it? Why else would you complain about it not being DLC, if not because you feel that you're entitled to it, but you don't want to pay a lot for that muffler?
I guess that's what I get for typing this shit up in notepad and copying it all before I got it all together. My thoughts meandered back and forth there before I settled on the bit that ended with the smiley. Oh well, it looks like shit, but it's basically all just reiterating the shit I settled on. I hope it makes enough sense. :P
