edit: for me
this may just be more of a PS3 moron (such as myself) gripe, but i have two examples of why these things are killing gaming for me. who wants to hear a story?
tonight, i was playing puzzle quest on my 360 for, no joke, four hours (don't act like you haven't). now, I've beaten this before on my psp, but this was out on the PSN for 14.99 with the expansion for $14.99 before i owned my 360. for those that don't know, the game costs 800 Microsoft points ($10) and the exp pack costs 700 ($8.75, seriously, why?). "wow, i fucking love this game" i thought. "why didn't i buy this cheaper on the PSN where more people will be playing online and whatnot?". then, it hit me. the game didn't have trophies. still doesn't. for those that don't know, the PS3, up until six months ago or so, had NO trophies. no form of achievements whatsoever, ASIDE FROM THE JOY OF PLAYING GAMES!!! then, i realized this wasn't the first time i made a stupid fucking choice when it came to video games because of these blasted things.
i bought far cry 2 instead of fallout 3 because of the trophy patch. far cry came with them, fallout would be patched in later. now that wouldn't be a problem if games on the PS3 would give you trophies based on your save files instead of actual events in game. but it doesn't. that meant if i played fallout 3, and beat it, before the patch came, i would have no trophies. i would have to beat the game all over again (which actually, doesn't sound so bad. i fucking love that game ON MY 360!). so i went with far cry 2. there was only one problem with that.
for those that haven't played it, far cry 2 is a sack of dirty dicks. its terrible. it has a buddy system, but that's one of the worst things I've ever experienced. i made my first buddy by talking to him in a bar, and the convo (conversation) literally (imaginatively) went like this...
Me: "Hey man, what's up?"
Fucking Moron: "Nothing man, I have some problems but you don't care. want me to heal you when you die randomly because I'll follow you everywhere?"
Me: "Yea dude! Buddy's ROCK!"
horrible. it's like something guy Ritchie would have written when he was twelve (note: i love guy Ritchie). but for the love of god, what a horrible script followed by horrible voice acting. now, i own fallout 3 on the 360 (dlc, cool) and that seriously may be one of my favorite games, ever. so why did i get far cry instead of fallout, exclusive dlc aside? i could have NOT bought a game and saved my money for something else. the answer is simple, trophies.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE MY PSN NAME LEVEL UP THEN ENJOY ONE OF THE MOST FUN GAMES I'VE EVER PLAYED. I WOULD RATHER SPEND FOUR EXTRA DOLLARS ON THE SAME GAME JUST TO UP MY GAMERSCORE.
am i a tool? yes. am i alone though? no. honestly, tell me that the easy 1000 GS of avatar doesn't appeal to you (please don't, just because I'm not alone doesn't mean that everyone agrees with me). even if it doesn't, tell me that you may have changed the way you play a game a little in order to get the achievement/trophy. tell me you never grinded. i know i have.
yea, I've set up custom L4D games in order to get my Man Vs. Tank achievement. yea, I've spend an hour trying to find the prince in Noby Noby Boy just to get the 100% on it. and why? because of the satisfaction. i love seeing that 100% or 1000/1000 on a game, as I'm sure many of you do. but why do i enjoy that more then just PLAYING THE GAME ITSELF? what happened to playing games for fun instead of playing games and doing weird shit for bragging rights? fuck it, I'm gonna play my Wii. and not have anything to prove for it.
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You should speak to Moosehole...
Also, get an avatar!
fuck it, I'm gonna play my Wii. and not have anything to prove for it.
Unless you play Mega Man 9. :P
Honestly, I couldn't care less about Achievements, Trophies, or anything like that. I just play, and if I get some along the way, then fine. In some very rare instances, like Mega Man 9, I like to go for them, just because I love Mega Man and want to see if I can meet the challenge. But those games are about one in a million.
What Pike said.
The only game I purposely rented for a 1000/1000 GS was Fight Night Round 3, which I already had beaten on my PS2. I might glance ahead and look at some of the achievements for a game before I play it but I try to play the game like I normally would. After I'm to the point of not wanting to play it anymore(beating it or wanting to break the disc) is when I'll do my grinding.
Getting gamer points/trophies only ruins a game if you want them to. And yes, FC2 was a steaming pile of poo.
It's the player that chooses. You don't have to get the trophies or achievements.
Capitals, on the other hand, are a must at the beginning of sentences and for names.
Like takeshi said, a man chooses, a slave obeys. Games have had a "Score" component to them since the atari days, you just need to keep it from being your focus when playing. It's an OCD thing, I was obsessed with gamerscore until I hit a certain point where I didn't see any reason to bump my score higher than 10k so I stopped thinking about them.
I freaking love trophies. They have caused me to play amazing games that I would never have played otherwise. (pixel junk eden, cuboid, quantum of solace etc etc)
This topic has been broached more than comparison videos. Your issue with them while still topical is self induced. It's about choice whether you play the game and enjoy it or let the Achievements/trophies be the sole purpose of why you play it.
But to say they ruin the games is a bit much. I've learned this.
I like trophies, they give me a few more goals.
I can understand the problem-- even though you can choose whether or not to go for trophies/achievements, if you're a completist at all you feel like you must do it "because it is there."
Sounds like you just have to start ignoring that nagging voice in your head that keeps telling you to go for trophies-- it'll stop eventually... Well, probably.
achievements and trophies add replay value to games, let those who enjoy them enjoy. If you don't like them, don't pay attention.
It sounds more like you are ruining games by only caring about trophies and achievements. Both systems add replay value and bonus objectives to games, which is a good thing. If you can't cope with them, perhaps you should stop gaming.
What Covah said. Although I could live without a few achievements. I really don't feel like wasting my time doing 25 different challenges in Rock Band 2 on Expert when I've already unlocked all the songs via Tour Mode. I also am in no rush to work on the 53,595 zombie kill in L4D...but I'll get it eventually.
notice: shift/capslock are ruining writing
It sucks for games like Valkyria Chronicles, which don't have trophies and seem to have suffered for it. I won't say it's the #1 reason it hasn't sold well, but when I searched to see if the game would ever support them (after buying it, which I would have done with or without trophies), I found dozens of people who said they would pass until the game included them.
I love to play for Achievements because it gives me an overall goal that connects all my videogames. I see where you're coming from and I agree with you... but that's why I like them.
i love trophies as much as the next guy but don't base my purchases off them. they add more to the game, i wouldn't have gotten 100% of lbp if they didn't have trophies but also don't go for all the lumines trophies...yet.
fuck you i won't do what you tell me, fuck you i won't do what you tell me!