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I think it should be pretty clear that since I'm here, I'm a gamer and I would love to discuss them. Just like everyone else, I have my opinions about the current state of gaming and how I think it's good in one way and bad in another way. Quite frankly, I think the gaming community in general is pretty awful, like with console fanboys, but Destructoid looks to be different. However, don't expect to find me on the forums since I plan on sticking to the main site and the c-blogs. I should note that I'm very opinionated about stuff. I can easily find flaws in just about anything even if others don’t agree with me on them. To an extent, I'm also a perfectionist.

I own the original PS2 model, a Wii, 80GB PS3, Pro model 360, and the original DS and PSP models. Just because I own all of them doesn't mean I value them all equally. I don't own too many games and I rarely buy them. I mostly play games by renting through GameFly since even the really good ones don't keep me playing long enough to justify buying them. I'm not just able to easily replay a game a second time through even if I really enjoyed the first time. I tend to only buy games that I feel will have great replay value, which usually means getting a game on the PC that can be heavily modded.

I’m also rather lonely when it comes to my friend lists on the 360 and PS3. Anyone mind helping out?

The following games I'm looking forward to playing off the top of my head include:

Crackdown 2
Fallout: New Vegas
Metroid: Other M
ModNation Racers
Rage
Super Mario Galaxy 2
The Elder Scrolls V (although not officially confirmed yet)

Game(s) that I’m playing now:

Bioshock (PS3)
Left 4 Dead 2 (360)
Red Faction: Guerrilla (360)

Game(s) that I'm currently waiting for GameFly to ship out...

Nothing right now...

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The hardcore vs. casual civil war. What good has it done us?
RBinator | 1:27 PM on 09.16.2009 6 comments


First c-blog post, ready, set, go!

For as long as there is even the slightest difference among people, they will fight and argue over it. That’s not to say there is only a slight difference among hardcore and casual gamers, but my point still stands. While there are a bunch of labels among gaming, hardcore and casual happen to be among the most common and somehow led to an “us vs. them” mindset. It’s quite common for hardcore to be labeled as “hardcore” these days. Not that these labels are likely to go away, especially since they are a way to target gamers with different habits and interests. Labels just happen to be a way for people to quickly identify themselves and others. It’s not like I’m calling an end for labels being used, since that would be nearly impossible, would it not? Due to the Wii existing, this hardcore vs. casual civil war has only gotten a lot worse. Hardcore gamers are stereotyped as hating the Wii along with any games that are not male power fantasies. Casual gamers are stereotyped as not knowing what a good game is and as being a part of ruining gaming. There’s also the non-gamer stereotype that the gaming community introduced as a result of the Wii, but I won’t get into that here.

Every since the Wii made its existence known, many people who Identify themselves as hardcore gamers now identify themselves as core gamers. It’s like the meaning of hardcore gamer has changed from “a person who likes to play video games a lot” to “a person who is an elitist that hates anyone who isn’t like them and only likes games with a bunch of violence and/or sexual content”. Personally, I wouldn’t have any problems identifying myself as a hardcore gamer, but since hardcore gamers as a whole these days are labeled negatively by popular opinion, I just call myself a gamer and hope to not be judged by those stereotypes before people even get to know me.

Now, let me make this clear. I’m not saying it’s the Wii fault for suddenly causing this, but a fault of many gamers for how they reacted to the Wii. How often have you seen something along the lines of “the hardcore have abandoned Nintendo”, “the hardcore hate the Wii”, “hardcore gamers only care about more of the same with better graphics” and more such generalizations? How often did such generalizations exist before the Wii entered the picture? Could things possibly get even worse once Sony’s and Microsoft’s answer to the Wiimote enters the market?

I think the gaming community would be better off without all the in-fighting between the labels. What have we gained from this? I know marketing may use the term casual to appeal to people who wouldn’t touch a standard game considered hardcore. However, aside from marketing, do we as a gaming community gain much from this? Regardless if we’re hardcore, casual, retro, professional, or whatever else kind of gamers, we’re all still gamers are we not? The different labels are different ways of expressing how one enjoys gaming. Of course, just because we’re all gamers doesn’t mean we will all get along. I’m not expecting a Best Friends Forever thing going on here, since playing video games doesn’t mean the other human traits that lead to conflict are suddenly missing. However, I do see this as a growing problem that can be fixed with effort a lot easier than many other problems within the gaming community.

Compared to other entertainment medias, do people in other communities like music, movies, or comic books fight so much over labels like the gaming community does? One step toward gaming maturing and growing up as an art form (at least in the eyes of non-gamers) is for the community as a whole to improve. Maybe people who want to become gamers, but don’t want to get involved with the gaming community since it appears we fight over every little thing, could be one possible factor in not joining. However, that could be a topic for another time. I can’t be the only one who thinks that over time, the gaming community only gets worse. Sure there’s a long way to go and there are many other pressing issues like console fanboys, but I think the hardcore vs. casual civil war is a start that can be dealt with.



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Bat Country's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 14:39
Bat Country
...Moviebob is that you? :3
Person of Lordly Caliber's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 14:50
Person of Lordly Caliber
If it is him, he forgot to include the picture of his Mario Halloween outfit like all of the videos.
Also lolspellingerrors. Nice one ranty profectionist.

Also Also, the hardcore never abandoned the Wii. We still have one and are enjoying the rewards like Little King Story and Princess Crown 3. We don't make a big splash because...well telling people Wii games are good just never got us anywhere.

After the update to the Nintendo channel, I was happy to see Chocobo's Dungeon 3 in my top 10 played list. I mean, Smash bros was there, as was Wii Sports and Mario Galaxy etc, but I was surprised and pleased that original Square Enix flop 2007 was there too.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have more Brigandine to play.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 20:39
Jonathan Holmes
Have you ever talked to a "casual" gamer about the "hardcore Vs casual civil war"? It's pretty funny, actually. Most of the time they say that they had no idea that people could "hate" a videogame system, especially people who claim to be videogame fans. Then they finish with something like "Wow, those 'hardcore' gamers sound like a bunch of geeks".

And I think that's what it boils down to right there. Videogames used to be the private, exclusive hobby of "geeks" like us, and now that "normal" people are moving in on our hobby, some people feel threatened. Other people take it as an opportunity to "turn the tables" and make fun of people for playing "casual" games, just as they had been mocked for liking "hardcore" games for parts of their lives.

Really, when people bash any console, they just make themselves look bad. But this is the internet we're talking about, a place where people go to be jerks to each other with no risk of consequence.

In real life, I think the "casual vs hardcore" war barely exists. It's really just a by product of the way people interact with each other on the internet.
shadowsinthenyte's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2009 00:04
shadowsinthenyte
Whenever I see people discussing the h@rdC0r3 vs casual and even the system vs system bit I always think of car enthusiasts. You know, Ford vs Chevy, all that mess. And it all leads to the same place; all things end up being more or less equal, none of the crap rally matters as time moves on, and old people still drive Buick's.
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2009 11:20
Wintersocks
Good point. I'm hardcore, and I like my wii more than any other console.
RBinator's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/17/2009 12:56
RBinator
Hmm... Moviebob of Game Over Thinker fame. I guess that's a good comparison, since I know he has numerous videos on his thoughts of the game industry.

@Jonathan Holmes: I already got the attention of one of the editors? Anyway, I actually had limited interaction with casual gamers IRL compared to non-gamers. I do easily see how a non or casual gamer would be confused by people who claim to love video games, but at the same time hate other video game consoles. It also doesn’t help that there is a great overlap between hardcore gamers and console fanboys, the latter whom are not doing anyone any favors. I might have to cover the subject of gamers being worried about non-gamers threatening their hobby sometime in the future. The whole “turning the tables” thing seems to be going back full circle. Like you said with the hardcore gamers getting tired of being made fun of, they traded blows back. Now that the Wii is the most popular console among the general public, now they are back to making fun of the hardcore. What could have been a great chance to bring the community together just seems to be leading to more "bloodshed".

@shadowsinthenyte: Basically this is brand loyalty on an extreme level or at least the worst case of I seen. Do people fight over car brands as much? What about sports teams? I’m sure the latter could get nasty since they may be more likely to settle arguments IRL than online. I wonder if the few options for gaming consoles have anything to do with the very strong brand loyalty, compared to the numerous car brands and sports teams.

As for myself, I do prefer the 360 and PS3 over the Wii, but I haven’t by any means given up on the console and have played games on it every now and then. I mostly feel that the controls could be put to better use than what the majority of games do with it. I’ll go into more details with that in a possible future c-blog post.
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