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I'm PG, I'm 22 years old, a Boston-area gamer. I like video games. These are some of my favorites (and if you dislike them, you're wrong):

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Thoughts on Rev's Rant
Phoenix Gamma | 5:31 PM on 08.02.2009 6 comments


I'm a little too lazy this evening to think of a proper introduction to my argument, so I'll cut right to the chase: video games have to be fun.

I'm not saying games can't ever be more than fun, or that they shouldn't be fun. I love something that really makes me think. Something that really leaves a lasting impression beyond "man, I just totally stabbed that guy's face 30 times" or whatever. I'm totally down for games using all kinds of artistic expression. I love that shit.

But the thing that separates video games from, say, movies is that second word; game, and that's where things become a real pain in the ass. Games are intended to be fun. That's the whole point. That's why we invented baseball and battleship and poker.

So there's a problem: how can you design a game that's supposed to be "more than fun" or instill it with some kind of meaning while still entertaining the player? You don't read any newspaper articles about a whole new Othello game designed to change your perspective on the universe because people don't play Othello to get anything out of it besides an hour or two of fun.

But video games are unique because, at some point, everyone started looking at other mediums (mostly movies) and tried pulling ideas and techniques from those mediums and exploring different ideas. It's really impressive, and it's something I'm proud to have witnessed as someone who's absolutely smitten by the medium. But if you're designing something that isn't fun first and "deep" (or whatever you're going for) second, you neuter the experience. Which is more enjoyable: reading chunks of text in books, or the last level in Braid? Personally, I think the chunks of text are a huge waste of potential, while the last level was something really clever and blended interactivity and storytelling quite well.

I realize, however, that people find all kinds of fun in all kinds of ways, while I'm not disagreeing with Anthony and agree that games should try to be more than what they are right now, I think that "fun" should still be the main ingredient of a game. You don't make a cake out of nothing but frosting (or beef, or anything that isn't actual cake), but you can put other stuff in, on, or around the cake...or something.

My point is that if a game isn't supposed to be fun, if enjoyment isn't the primary goal, then it's might as well not be a game at all. There are all sorts of interactive art forms that aren't games at all. But Joe the Gamer didn't buy a video game console so he could play things that aren't video games. I'm not denying games of their right to explore, artistically or intellectually, and I'd love if we could avoid a fate similar to comic books, but sometimes I feel like a developer gets so wrapped up in their vision that they forget all about the game part of the fricken' video game.



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PKN's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2009 18:50
PKN
Great post. If a game wasn't fun then it would be a computer simulation that you can control. There could be no puzzles... they are fun! There could be no running or exploring... they are fun too! Fun isn't just shooting Nazis in the face or tea bagging someone on Live. So I am all for other ways to have fun but please don't take the fun out of games just to call it "art." It already is. If other people don't see it then it's their problem.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2009 19:02
wanderingpixel
I've always said that we need to change our name from videogames.
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2009 19:07
BS3 Owner
@ PKN

Shooting Nazis in the Face IS fun. IMO.
/shocker.

@ Phoenix Gamma

Either you are a thinking gamer.
(( Simulation ))
e.i. MLB : The Show 09 / Microsoft Flight Simulator

OR you are Jim... Respectfully Speaking...
(( Button Masher ))
Anything Koei
Neonie's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2009 19:39
Neonie
Videogames have to be fun.

Interactive Entertainment has to be entertaining while keeping it's interactivity. I think what most people are arguing about here are the mere words used to describe the medium.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2009 20:48
Phoenix Gamma
@WanderingPixel
Yea, I've been thinking about that too. But I haven't thought of a catchier name. My University's Art Dept. has courses on "interactive media" which is as vague as you can get while still incorporating video games and stuff like web sites and other forms of interactive art (but it doesn't roll off the tongue very well. I wouldn't want to shop at InteractiveMediaStop...)

@BS3 Owner: it's not that simple at all. Some people like role playing games with long winded dialog that goes on for ages, others prefer to make up their own story and their own character. Some people like different genres and subgenres and this and that. It's different kinds of fun for different audiences, so I figured I'd point out the hole in my argument before someone else could :V
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