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Anyone else unimpressed with L4D?
Phantom Spaceman | 6:30 PM on 11.18.2008 39 comments


Just wondering. This seems like another one of my MGS moments, where I just don't get what the big deal is.
I played the demo and it seems like a glorified Half-Life mod.

Impressions:
1. Dated graphics. Seriously, this looks just like Half-Life 2, which is 4 years old now. Source is apparently
not very graphically robust.
2. Crap arsenal. I believe about 5 or 6 guns, none of which are very satisfying to shoot.
3. Not scary. They throw a shit-ton of zombies at you, but they don't really do much damage, which means
you end up backed into a corner awkwardly trying to shoot them off of you.
4. Seriously needs some kind of map system. I spent half the time wandering around, not shooting zombies,
wondering where the game wanted me to go next.



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MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 18:49
MrSadistic
Oh man. Don't you know it's waaay uncool to not like Left [For] Dead? Anything with zombies in it, is awesome.

And I mean anything.
t3h d0n's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 18:55
t3h d0n
Oh come on, you can't bash a game because of it's graphics.
deletemyaccount's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:01
deletemyaccount
I think you just suck at the game. Stop playing on easy too.
Atlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:01
Atlas
I was going to insert a witty comment here but my mind is blank. Sorry for being such a disappointment.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:05
Puppy Licks
Try it on hard with three friends, it may change your mind.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:05
TheDreadHawk
The graphics are actually pretty improved and they work well. They're not too advanced to the point of frame rate issues and their not so terrible that people vomit because of them. You should try playing on Advanced or Expert, it gets pretty damn intense. I love the game.
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:08
Aerox
1. Try the game on a new PC. It looks nicer.
2. I agree. It's hard to balance though, because rocket launchers would make the game too easy. Overall, it's not really about the combat, it's about the atmosphere and teamwork.
3. We are now discovering that the difficulty of the demo is a joke compared to the real game. People who could speedrun the demo on Expert are getting slaughtered in the later chapters of the game on lower difficulty levels. The reason the demo was easy was because it was the very beginning of the game.
4. A map system would ruin the game. The levels are small enough that it's not needed, and the tension of not knowing if this hallway is going to lead to the safe room or a deadend where you'll be murdered by the Horde is a huge portion of the fun of the game.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:09
Aaron Mxy Yost
I was not unimpressed.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:14
Skribble
"not very graphically robust."

You sir, are one picky motherfucker. The game looks amazing, and the character models and animation of the zombies still look far better than most games of today. Fuck, there is more expression in the zombies of left4dead than there were in COD4, Mirrors Edge, Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and Dead Space combined.

Crap arsenal? It's a zombie apocalypse! Where are you going to find an RPG or firesword while running around a hospital? I admit more/location specific weapons would be awesome, but come on man, it's the end of the world here. Besides, you get the pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, auto-shotgun, hunting rifle, molotov, pipebomb, chain gun and petrol tanks; there is still plenty there to have fun with.

If you are playing it with bots, then I agree with you, the game is not as good as it can be. But playing with 3 other PEOPLE on expert and helping eachother to survive a zombie outbreak is just plain fucking fun.

If you just aren't in to zombie apocolypses, or you just can't get in to it, then that's too bad, because the game is pretty much intensely fun to play; I've played the demo levels about 30 times myself.

I don't know HOW you are getting lost, or "wandering around", because the levels are some of the most linear in existance and if you wander around for more than a minute without being attacked then you are playing on normal, and that is your first mistake.

The game isn't meant to be "scary". It's meant to be tense and focused around teamwork to make your way through scenarios with hordes of zombies, and that is exactly what it is. I don't know why you were expecting anything else.

But if you don't like it, then don't play it. Just take note of the fact that at this time, it is now the top selling game on Steam; and it is so for a very good reason, it's FUN to play.
UnrealClock's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:15
UnrealClock
Just going to throw this out there, but if a game is undeniably fun then just chill out. It obviously isn't "for you".
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:33
Arttemis
^^^ What Skribble said.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:37
BlindsideDork
Say hello to the case of sucky gamer. Fail.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:49
Spartacus
try playing it with your eyes closed
naturon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:50
naturon
no
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:53
nukka jdav
How the hell do you get lost in that game? It encourages exploration for health and ammo, and was built linear on purpose.

Like, Gabe Newell said so himself.

ARGH, I wish you loved it, but whatever, to each their own.

I personally consider it my GOTY right now, and I've only beat one campaign...on normal...cause yes, its haaaard, phew.
Scrixx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 19:56
Scrixx
You fail. I'm sorry but I bet you don't appreciate anything good nowadays.

Also upgrade your computer.
wilbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 20:07
wilbo
anyone who cares greatly about graphics is just silly

you sir are a fool
Pyroph's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 20:11
Pyroph
I'm unimpressed. The game is linear, and there are no differences in each level, and it becomes very boring fast. That being said, versus is still very fun, and the only playable mode for me.
ThunderHeartXI's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 20:17
ThunderHeartXI
1. Get real friends to play with. This dramatically increases the experience.

2. GTFO or stop trolling.
The Incredible Edible Egg's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 20:32
The Incredible Edible Egg
I'm going to regret giving you any attention, but I'd like to point out your argument as a whole is flawed.

The graphics are good enough and until they give you eye cancer, quit bitching. The weapons are limited due to this being a survival horror, forcing you to pick and choose what suits you. No one gun has much of an advantage over another and when using them together, they're great. The levels are a bit confusing, but it offers multiple paths to take to your goal.

Cant argue the scary thing cause that's opinion, but I'd like to congratulate you. Good job on wasting five bucks on the haunted house just so you can tell your friends how you're not scared.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 21:46
Shin Oni
people still judge games on graphics on how well the game plays? phail.

if it's supposed to be like a survival horror, why the hell would you be thrown a bunch of weapons? Hell Valve was nice enough to give us what we got. Cause we could just roam around the city with just a pistol, 2 clips, and no ammo refills. If we REALLY want to be "Survival Horror"

The game's not supposed to be scary. I mean that's if you're scared by these type of games. I find it more like a classic mesh of horror movies...which aren't scary, but have the usual "random kill" or "hoard of zombies" coming out of nowhere. Then the 1-2 monsters you either can't kill, can't kill alone, or run from. I don't understand why it has to be scary because it has monsters and zombies in it.

I somewhat agree on the map bit. But only cause i've lately become a map whore. (which i'm usually not.) But it adds to the already fear effect to the game (which isn't much.) Granted, add a map, and the game isn't fun anymore and random enemies won't pop out, smokers won't come out of nowhere trying to lynch you, and it's just boring.

the only problem I have is the knockdown bit. It's nice, but in the harder stages, about 3-4 hits from zombies will have your ass down for good. But...it adds to the game.
AKK's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 21:59
AKK
1) You would say this for one of two reasons. 1: You have not played Half Life 2 in a very long time and you thus believe it's a singnificantly better looking game than it actually is. Or 2: Your computer sucks and you can only run the game at whatever level Half Life 2 was at. When cranked up, Left 4 Dead is leaps and bounds over Half Life 2 in terms of visuals. I played Half Life 2 for the first time several months ago, so I have a pretty good frame of comparison.

2) Retarded arguement. They are fun to shoot, small arsenal's not a problem. Survival, etc.

3) Not meant to be scary. It's tense, etc. Although I freaked out the first time I saw the horde, and the first time I was attacked by a witch.

And yeah, on expert the zombies do quite a bit of damage.

4) That you can get lost in that game is pathetic.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:23
007
I, too, am unimpressed with L4D. Really, I don't see what the big deal is. I played the demo with a few friends on the hardest difficulty, and, while being somewhat fun, we all agreed that something like this game should be given a 7 at most on a rating scale of 10. Why?

1. Graphics. Graphics suck. no offense, but I found every level o look kinda outdated. But maybe that's because I'm so used to seeing good looking games like Gears of War, Crysis, and Killzone 2? Maybe?

And for all you haters out there: I know graphics may not be a valid reason to totally hate on a game, but it sure can help if you put it together with 'meh' gameplay, which brings me to my next point...

2. The gameplay is not innovative. That's fine, but the game doesn't even seem like it was even going for a "perfects the survival genre" type of thing, either. It's just a mindless run & gun game in my opinion. (yes, I know you have to rely on your friends from time to time, but you had to do this even more in games like Gears of War co-op (or horde) and Halo 3 campaign)

3. Where's the Southern Asian dude? Seriously, we need some sand niqqa love in games like these. We brown people are smart, athletic, and know how to work a gun (LOLOLOLOLOLOL).

4. look @ 3
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:37
JamnOnTheOne
It plays like a throwback to the mindless FPSes like Serious Sam.

Of course, the mindless Valve lemmings will flock to it and shower it with praise whether it's deserved or not.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:37
MrSadistic
Good lord. Let the dube have his own opinion of the game.

I've only played the demo myself and felt indifferent on the gameplay. Sure it had its moments, but I wasn't really "feeling" it. It felt almost like playing a well-designed Half-Life 2 zombie mod.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:45
007
"It felt almost like playing a well-designed Half-Life 2 zombie mod. " Sadistic


Shit, now that I think about it... L4D kinda did seem like that.
thebza's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:52
thebza
why do some of you have to resort to name calling just because Phantom Spaceman has a different opinion than yours? calling him an "idiot" and a "troll" just for not liking something you do, or vice versa, is fucking immature nonsense. people like you blindside, heretic, and wilbo... how old are you guys seriously? because you act like you're in jr high at best. grow up.

also, left 4 dead is pretty dope, too bad it's not your thing but to each his own.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 22:54
Wexx
Stop talking.


Also: Forums are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 23:32
nukka jdav
I think everyone has to try Versus Mode...

God, its so nice turning the tables for once...I am absolutely fucking cruel as a zombie...and with NO remorse.

NONE.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/18/2008 23:43
DeusPayne
"It felt almost like playing a well-designed Half-Life 2 zombie mod."

You mean like... Counter Strike, or Team Fortress, or the Ship, or... just about every non Half Life game made by Valve. My only gripe is that it's really a multi player game only. The single player is cheap and pointless, but the co-op and vs is some of the most fun I've had in an FPS in a long time.
taumpytears's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 00:08
taumpytears
I was unimpressed with your mom last night. Your Dad is always way better.
Jhett's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 00:32
Jhett
Valve is one of my favorite developers and I agree on some points. The graphcs are dated and you can tell some of the pieces of the game are pulled from HL2, i.e. the crates and the auto-shotty.

the arsenal could be much better, some submacine guns and more pistols would be nice. if they dropped the entire Counter-strike lineup into the game I would be happy.

it's still a blast though
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 03:11
AngelsDontBurn
WAAAAAAAH BAD GRAPHICS WAAAAAAAH!

Those are horrible impressions. :\ I don't know what you were playing, definitely not the same game I've been playing.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 22:45
Dan CiTi
Yeah, it's an 7.5-8/10 at best. People like it a bit too much.
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