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Its simple: Its both silly fun and high art!
There have been movie critics win pulitzers, why not a game critic?
Oh hey, you must be the dude that doesn't get it. At Destructoid we obviously take games very seriously. It is the "hardcore gamer" site, after all. What you don't understand is that the statement you are referring to, "You can't win a Pulitzer for writing about Princess Peach", is not saying that video games aren't serious business. It's a comment for the videogame journalism community, for the Chris Grants of the blogosphere, that try to write so proper and so serious, like something you would read in print, that the article is lackluster and filled with nothing but the facts, which you can find anywhere.
In games, Gameplay is king.
You see, in movies (or art) the point is to make you feel, think, laugh, whatever. In games, it's to play. So, if you feel emotional after playing something or you realize something you've never thought of before, thats a by product, a marketing technique to get you to play the game.
So, games are only art if they get you to play them.
Quick response.
PS Games are art when they are able to take the panties off because of the game and not money.
Give it time. Even books were thought to be corrupting, shallow forms of mindless entertainment when literacy first started becoming widespread.
That's pretty much the whole premise of Don Quixote - a guy reads too many romance novels, goes crazy, and goes on wacky adventures thinking he's a knight in shining armor. Cervantes was poking fun at the people who thought that reading books would actually drive people to do this.
So when the current generation, which has played video games their entire life, grows up and starts to take positions as writers, critics, and other productive areas of society, games will become accepted as a valid medium for "art."
Of course, not all games can be considered "art," in any medium you're going to get a lot of crap for every treasure (See: Sturgeon's Law). And as long as there are bad games and stupid game developers, Destructoid will be there to make fun of them. :D
Couldn't have said it better myself. Although my annoyance is just with people in general who wave the banner for Games as art relentlessly. The fact that gamers and bloggers constantly call Roger Ebert a moron for not believing games are art shows how unevolved the games industry is.
A videogame blogger will get a pulitzer when they stop acting so bloody childish.
And by childish, I mean in regards to the whole games as art debate. because it's hard to take somebody seriously when after writing a blog about videogames as art they attack somebody who disagrees with them.
The princess peach thing is about the "delivery" not content/context.
We're serious ... as balls.
@coonskin05:
What you say makes a lot more sense, but in that case the statement is horribly phrased. When in history did an article that is "lackluster and filled with nothing but the facts, which you can find anywhere" win a Pulitzer? I took "win a Pulitzer" as "write something relevant".
Agreed with Exodus.
People on the internet have varying opinions. Some want srs articles about srs games, some want to talk about weiners. Some people want brightly coloured, fun, innovative games, some want gritty multiplayer shooters. I wish I could project this into the minds of all the people who are confused by contradiction on the Internet.
It is not a hive mind. Different people say different things.
You lost me when you said Ebert likes Battleship Pokemon.
@ Niero:
That's good to know!
Okay, seems I really just misunderstood the statement. But it is badly phrased.
@Uglyphil:
Yes, I'm aware of that. The overgeneralization in my post was more of a polemic response to the overgeneralization present in the cited statements.
Battleship Pokemon? COUNT ME IN
The problem is, not all games strive to be "art," just as not all movies are made with an Oscar in mind, and that's a good thing.
We play games for various reasons, which is why we need games that aim to be mindless fun, as well as games that attempt to tell a brilliant story. I also feel that you either get games, or you don't. And Roger Ebert doesn't get games. End of story.
Movies, books, and musics are all both silly, time wasting fun AND high art, why can't games be too? I mean, You'll have the high art movies like that list of films in the blog post, and then you have movies like BASEketball. You have books like War and Peace, then you have Hitchhikers Guide. You have music like Beethoven and other classy, high brow concertos, and then you have Weird Al.
Nobody claims that those things aren't art, even though they have both high ends and low ends. Games have high ends and low ends too. They're just as much an art when done right as anything else. There have been children's finger paintings that have been regarded as more artful than games, and that's not quite right.
Both. Some games can be high art, and others will never win you a Pulitzer for writing about.
I know how to solve this!! Why don't we just create a unified critiquing board (Video Game Journalist & Blogger Guild)and have a singular awards show (like the Oscars or Emmys)and that way everyone's dick can be thoroughly sucked!!
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***hugs Niero***
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I saw a scholarship deal for college if you write a paper explaining the benefits of a cardboard box.
I don't know if it was real or not, but I'm writing anyway, lol.
Anybody who thinks video games will stay the way they are for the rest of time is a COMPLETE fucking retard.
Case closed.