You'll always get idiots who will automatically hate something cos' its too "Mainstream" or too popular. The whole "If your not indie then GTFO" phase really pissed me off.
@Celica
A lot of gamers hate meat heads, and think those are the only people who can possibly like sports games, and in turn, if they play that genre, they'll be no better than the people they despise. Also, a lot of these games require a grasp of the sport, which a lot of gamers don't have (Madden ESPECIALLY. If you are a football junkie, you'll have an edge).
All I have to say to that is: TRY SPORTS GAMES! Playing Madden with friends is one of the greatest experiences ever. And I'm not talking about 4 player games, I'm talking franchise mode.
A lot of gamers hate meat heads, and think those are the only people who can possibly like sports games, and in turn, if they play that genre, they'll be no better than the people they despise. Also, a lot of these games require a grasp of the sport, which a lot of gamers don't have (Madden ESPECIALLY. If you are a football junkie, you'll have an edge).
All I have to say to that is: TRY SPORTS GAMES! Playing Madden with friends is one of the greatest experiences ever. And I'm not talking about 4 player games, I'm talking franchise mode.
@Cartman
"The whole 'If your not indie then GTFO' phrase really pissed me off."
Seconded. I'm a huge music and film buff, and that phrase is more pertinent with those two mediums; and the people are much worse.
"The whole 'If your not indie then GTFO' phrase really pissed me off."
Seconded. I'm a huge music and film buff, and that phrase is more pertinent with those two mediums; and the people are much worse.
@Magnalon
Everything that i really understand about Football, I learned from playing Madden for years. I enjoyed the sport well enough before I got into the modern, 2001 and onward Maddens, but I didn't really understand the strategy and complexities of the sport until I started playing the game.
The funny thing is, I don't watch much footbal OR play Madden lately (over the past two years or so), but I can still really enjoy watching a game from time to time, because of that weird, intense "embedded" experience of playing lots of Madden franchise mode.
Everything that i really understand about Football, I learned from playing Madden for years. I enjoyed the sport well enough before I got into the modern, 2001 and onward Maddens, but I didn't really understand the strategy and complexities of the sport until I started playing the game.
The funny thing is, I don't watch much footbal OR play Madden lately (over the past two years or so), but I can still really enjoy watching a game from time to time, because of that weird, intense "embedded" experience of playing lots of Madden franchise mode.
@Tubatic
Same! When I was like 8 or so, I played Madden on the SNES. Did I understand most of the terminology? No way; but I continued on, and picked it up.
I guess with intellect and tenacity you can learn anything! What I was trying to convey was that the initial barriers of entry for a full length sports game would be much higher than say, Wii Sports (simple sports concepts anyone can grasp), an FPS (just press this button to shoot people) or Mario Party (push one button a lot).
Same! When I was like 8 or so, I played Madden on the SNES. Did I understand most of the terminology? No way; but I continued on, and picked it up.
I guess with intellect and tenacity you can learn anything! What I was trying to convey was that the initial barriers of entry for a full length sports game would be much higher than say, Wii Sports (simple sports concepts anyone can grasp), an FPS (just press this button to shoot people) or Mario Party (push one button a lot).
Sports games are not my forte, but I do enjoy playing them on the rare occasion that it happens. Oh and in the defense of NFS:Shift, the way that game was marketed was not gonna change the fact it was buggy pile of shit, and a terrible game.
I dont "hate" some games I just dont like, as a PC gamer, to feel excluded from the gaming world because all those real good console exclusives.
With the 360 you have some games coming to the PC, some times they are good ports, some times very bad ones. With ps3 so called exclusive games you have no options.
The only game I would like to play on the PC that is on the 360 is Forza 2.
With the 360 you have some games coming to the PC, some times they are good ports, some times very bad ones. With ps3 so called exclusive games you have no options.
The only game I would like to play on the PC that is on the 360 is Forza 2.
I think if people paid $60.00 for a game, played it... and still hated it, that they're entitled to say so. They should certainly recognize that it's personal opinion and not everyone will agree with them... but I hated Army of 2. It was supposed to be a game built from the ground up and I pre-ordered it, bought it, played it for about an hour with my husband... and hated it.
There's nothing wrong with hating a game, especially if you can be specific as to why you hated the game (and it's almost an entire other blog to say why I hated Ao2). The COD example is actually a good one because lots of people really liked COD4 and felt very disappointed with COD5. Again, I see no problem with saying so. It hopefully makes COD6 a better game by avoiding commonly hated things about COD5.
Loving some games, hating others... it's all part of being a gamer. Hating a game you've never played though... that's just being an uninformed asshole.
There's nothing wrong with hating a game, especially if you can be specific as to why you hated the game (and it's almost an entire other blog to say why I hated Ao2). The COD example is actually a good one because lots of people really liked COD4 and felt very disappointed with COD5. Again, I see no problem with saying so. It hopefully makes COD6 a better game by avoiding commonly hated things about COD5.
Loving some games, hating others... it's all part of being a gamer. Hating a game you've never played though... that's just being an uninformed asshole.
ooops... hate that we can't edit comments... "build from the ground up" should read "built from the ground up for co-op"
I don't like the pointless hate, either, but when it's merited and backed up legitimately, I can see it in a better light.
Also, I don't think people hate the Halo series per say, I think they just hate that everyone acts like it revolutionized the FPS genre. That's why I'm sick of it. Didn't stop me from playing Halo 3 through on Legendary, though. I just don't think it's the greatest thing ever created like it's often made out to be.
Also, I don't think people hate the Halo series per say, I think they just hate that everyone acts like it revolutionized the FPS genre. That's why I'm sick of it. Didn't stop me from playing Halo 3 through on Legendary, though. I just don't think it's the greatest thing ever created like it's often made out to be.
@Pedro
Agreed. As someone who grew up in High School/College when Halo/Madden were at their peaks, I will say a lot of the hate comes from wanting to "go against the grain".
Madden and Halo are very much "frat-house games" (Guitar Hero is another one). Gamers in an attempt to elevate themselves above "the mindless people who only subscribe to popular norms", will hate these games for little to no reason. Most haven't even played them.
I actually had to defend my love for Halo and Madden once amongst a group of gamers who hated the franchises, and who branded me a "frat boy gamer". I ended up having to justify it to them by explaining various feats I've done, such as the fact that I beat God of War on God Mode, that I'm a hardcore RPG grinder, and that I enjoy all types of games, not just niche titles. Lots of grumbling followed.
Agreed. As someone who grew up in High School/College when Halo/Madden were at their peaks, I will say a lot of the hate comes from wanting to "go against the grain".
Madden and Halo are very much "frat-house games" (Guitar Hero is another one). Gamers in an attempt to elevate themselves above "the mindless people who only subscribe to popular norms", will hate these games for little to no reason. Most haven't even played them.
I actually had to defend my love for Halo and Madden once amongst a group of gamers who hated the franchises, and who branded me a "frat boy gamer". I ended up having to justify it to them by explaining various feats I've done, such as the fact that I beat God of War on God Mode, that I'm a hardcore RPG grinder, and that I enjoy all types of games, not just niche titles. Lots of grumbling followed.
@Magnalon: If I were you I'd just say "Fuck you for being a bunch of close minded dickheads. Anyone that pushes around negative labels probably adheres to about 15 themselves."
@Wry
Haha, I wanted to own them, rather them just resort to insults. They were basically speechless after that.
Haha, I wanted to own them, rather them just resort to insults. They were basically speechless after that.
Personally, I tend to hate games just because I can. Kingdom Hearts because I hate Disney. Final Fantasy (excluding Tactics) because I think the games have just been repetitions for years now. Guitar Hero because it's annoying how many people think they're badass just because they are good at it. Actually, that's my biggest problem with gamers. The ones who think they are cool just because they are good at a certain game.
As far as I'm concerned, the reason I don't particularly like Halo isn't because I can't play it (it's available on PC) but because compared to other PC FPS it was an average game at best. I don't actually hate the game itself, there's nothing wrong with it except maybe the repetitive corridor levels in the first one, but it's not the revolution that the Halo fanboys make it out to be.

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