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I want Nintendo to go third party because they are not delivering the hardware i want with the features I want. It is simple as that. Nintendo can and do make some great games, but the 3DS and the Wii-U are not hardwares I want. I doubt the problems Nintendo have now will kill their hardware business anytime from here to ten years, and I believe next year Nintendo will look like all good again.
I just do not want to fork hard earned money to buy a console because of Nintendo games.
I just do not want to fork hard earned money to buy a console because of Nintendo games.
I wouldn't want Nintendo to go 3rd-party. If it was me, I would just want them to go portable only. Why?
1) Nintendo's portables from Original Game Boy to DS (and soon 3DS also, I guess) have always quality and quality when it comes to 1st party and 3rd party games. I don't know why Nintendo can't seem to get the same 3rd support for the Wii that they have for DS, or even GBA, but that's how it is.
2) Portables are extremely popular in Japan. As is Nintendo. They will make a killing over there ALONE if no where else, though as history has shown, Nintendo handhelds sell well everywhere (just look at the DS).
3) I'd just rather see Nintendo bow out of console race gracefully of their own volition than get pushed out slowly by Sony and MS like they just seem to be doing now. They could focus entirely on where they have reigned undisputed - the portable arena - where they will have great games all around and make a ton of money (because of points 1 & 2), and because they chose to stop making consoles themselves and STILL made a lot of money, they could re-enter console production at any time if they so choose! I think that would be brilliant!
These are all the points I have for the moment. This is the way I see Nintendo acknowledging their current weaknesses and turning them into strengths.
1) Nintendo's portables from Original Game Boy to DS (and soon 3DS also, I guess) have always quality and quality when it comes to 1st party and 3rd party games. I don't know why Nintendo can't seem to get the same 3rd support for the Wii that they have for DS, or even GBA, but that's how it is.
2) Portables are extremely popular in Japan. As is Nintendo. They will make a killing over there ALONE if no where else, though as history has shown, Nintendo handhelds sell well everywhere (just look at the DS).
3) I'd just rather see Nintendo bow out of console race gracefully of their own volition than get pushed out slowly by Sony and MS like they just seem to be doing now. They could focus entirely on where they have reigned undisputed - the portable arena - where they will have great games all around and make a ton of money (because of points 1 & 2), and because they chose to stop making consoles themselves and STILL made a lot of money, they could re-enter console production at any time if they so choose! I think that would be brilliant!
These are all the points I have for the moment. This is the way I see Nintendo acknowledging their current weaknesses and turning them into strengths.
"What happened to the Sega that did Streets of Rage, Jet Set Radio, Skies of Arcadia, etc?"
Well in the case of the Sega that made Skies of Arcadia - they made Valkyria Chronicles ;-). A lot of the same development team.
Well in the case of the Sega that made Skies of Arcadia - they made Valkyria Chronicles ;-). A lot of the same development team.
I think this "Nintendo should go the way of Sega" stuff needs to stop. The only reason Sega ever went third-party had very very little to do with anything actually involving their hardware or software. It was almost entirely because of how Sega pissed off major retailers with the Sega Saturn launch and how that ill-will carried on with them until the end of their hardware days.
Nintendo is pretty hit-or-miss when it comes to hardware. They're pioneers in many regards (motion controls on Wii, touch screen on DS, analog and rumble) and do a good job of keeping their competitors honest, bringing "game-changing" ideas that no one else would really try. The problem is that they often don't take it far enough, leaving others to perfect their ideas (dual analog, Move/Kinetic, multi-touch). Often they don't incorporate what they competition is doing which leaves them in the dust (online infrastructure, downloadable content, multimedia capabilities).
I think one of the best reasons for Nintendo to go third-party is that they just can't seem to get support for their consoles. This is the second generation in a row (I never had an N64 so I couldn't say) where their console has gone through significant dry spells. We're living in an age when there's a big release every other week and in that sense they're doing a terrible job of keeping up.
The weird thing about Nintendo this generation is that almost all of their games could function just as well with a dual analog controller on Xbox or PS3. You could still have the multiple control schemes like how many PlayStation developers are doing both traditional and motion controls (I think devs have all forgot the Dualshock's "waggle" capabilities though). Even with WiiFit, it's entire success was with a peripheral that worked with less than a handful of other games. Actually that's something we've seen time and time again from Nintendo, releasing a peripheral and then never supporting it. Releasing peripherals is something they could do on any piece of hardware.
The only thing that would really be lost if Nintendo did follow Sega is the loss in "charm". When you play Nintendo games, you know you're playing a Nintendo game. They have a style that you don't really see from many other devs. But just imagine Retro Studios or the Zelda team having access to the top hardware and a customer pool who'd actually buy their games? They do a pretty great job already at a disadvantage so it'd be awesome to see them properly rewarded.
In the end, I could care less either way. More hardware developers mean more competition which is always a great thing. It'd be nice only having to worry about two home consoles instead of keeping up with three, but that's just me being greedy.
I think one of the best reasons for Nintendo to go third-party is that they just can't seem to get support for their consoles. This is the second generation in a row (I never had an N64 so I couldn't say) where their console has gone through significant dry spells. We're living in an age when there's a big release every other week and in that sense they're doing a terrible job of keeping up.
The weird thing about Nintendo this generation is that almost all of their games could function just as well with a dual analog controller on Xbox or PS3. You could still have the multiple control schemes like how many PlayStation developers are doing both traditional and motion controls (I think devs have all forgot the Dualshock's "waggle" capabilities though). Even with WiiFit, it's entire success was with a peripheral that worked with less than a handful of other games. Actually that's something we've seen time and time again from Nintendo, releasing a peripheral and then never supporting it. Releasing peripherals is something they could do on any piece of hardware.
The only thing that would really be lost if Nintendo did follow Sega is the loss in "charm". When you play Nintendo games, you know you're playing a Nintendo game. They have a style that you don't really see from many other devs. But just imagine Retro Studios or the Zelda team having access to the top hardware and a customer pool who'd actually buy their games? They do a pretty great job already at a disadvantage so it'd be awesome to see them properly rewarded.
In the end, I could care less either way. More hardware developers mean more competition which is always a great thing. It'd be nice only having to worry about two home consoles instead of keeping up with three, but that's just me being greedy.
I'd like Nintendo to go down the software only route, because it would mean I wouldn't have to buy another box that plays games. The less boxes I have to buy the better.
Call me a fanboy, call me whatever you want, but I absolutely hate that people want Nintendo to go down and do the software only route. I feel gamers are being selfish and not thinking of the major side effects that such a huge pioneer in the videogame industry going down could have.
Their train of thought it something like this:
"Nintendo goes down, I dont needa buy their consoles cuz all their games will be on the ps3 and 360"
Seriously, I doubt it would be as simple as that. All the innovation Nintendo would bring to the industry would be gone. And Sony and Microsoft would no longer try to change
Their train of thought it something like this:
"Nintendo goes down, I dont needa buy their consoles cuz all their games will be on the ps3 and 360"
Seriously, I doubt it would be as simple as that. All the innovation Nintendo would bring to the industry would be gone. And Sony and Microsoft would no longer try to change
The reason I don't want to see Nintendo stop making hardware, even though they are missing some of the more fancy features that the 360/PS3 have, is that they always have the right idea in mind when designing platforms. What I mean is that they are always trying something new, and while there is about a 60/40 chance that it will be done rightly from the start, at least their prime directive isn't "MOAR GRAFFIX! and-then-do-same-thing-as-competitor". When I bought the Wii and DS I did it because I supported its creativity, and I'd do it again. Of course the Wii's motion control wasn't good until motion +, but not all the new features they try are flubbed. L+R buttons, touch control, pointer controls, and portability all turned out good (even though there technically were portables before it, the Gameboy was the first major one to do it right)
Now the Wii is in a pretty severe game drought, and the 3DS is in a light drought, but these are problems have to do with their ability to garner games, and not really the hardware itself. To fix this with the Wii, get it its last round of games before the Wii U, and with the 3DS start its first major influx that they have been showing off for a while. And when the Wii U launches, do it right.
Now the Wii is in a pretty severe game drought, and the 3DS is in a light drought, but these are problems have to do with their ability to garner games, and not really the hardware itself. To fix this with the Wii, get it its last round of games before the Wii U, and with the 3DS start its first major influx that they have been showing off for a while. And when the Wii U launches, do it right.
A lot of interesting points here.
@Mastersnake
I think it'd be awesome if they did that, but at the same time made it some sort of hybrid between a console/handheld, like a handheld with the power of a console with most of the buttons, like the Vita seems to be going for. Only it'd be great if it had some sort of wire that you could hook it up to your TV/monitor and make your handheld experience one you can enjoy on a big screen. They could even go the whole tablet route like they seem to be going with Wii-U.
@LsTr Of SmG
I love Valkyria Chronicles! I just wish Sega could make more games of that calibre.
@Sephiroth X
Hmm, I'd forgotten about that. They'd went from the 32 X to the whole CD add-on thing to the Saturn to the Dreamcast within a very short span. Good point.
@CelicaCrazed
I'm inclined to agree with you on the way Nintendo does it's tech. They tend to come out with these big ideas but aren't so great on the follow through - just look at the original Wiimote and then Wii-motion plus, which is ideally what the wiimote should've been like in the first place. Nintendo's good at making the wheel, but Sony and Microsoft use that blueprint to make a better wheel.
@Operative 20 & REWQ
Yup, that was the worry that made me write this cblog. I don't think by any means it's a certainty that they'll go down the 3rd party route, and from looking at the compelling arguments so far in the replies I'm a bit less worried about what would happen if they did go 3rd party. I still want them to stay in the console making business, but I don't think it'd be the end of the world if they did go 3rd party. However, I still think most of Nintendo's business problems could be solved by not being ruled by their shareholders and not being afraid of taking risks by making new franchises, reviving a bunch of old ones, buying up some studios and buying some 3rd party exclusives. The main problem for the Wii, and the earlier N64 was big games droughts - what I've suggested could solve that, and it's not like they don't have millions to spare.
@Mastersnake
I think it'd be awesome if they did that, but at the same time made it some sort of hybrid between a console/handheld, like a handheld with the power of a console with most of the buttons, like the Vita seems to be going for. Only it'd be great if it had some sort of wire that you could hook it up to your TV/monitor and make your handheld experience one you can enjoy on a big screen. They could even go the whole tablet route like they seem to be going with Wii-U.
@LsTr Of SmG
I love Valkyria Chronicles! I just wish Sega could make more games of that calibre.
@Sephiroth X
Hmm, I'd forgotten about that. They'd went from the 32 X to the whole CD add-on thing to the Saturn to the Dreamcast within a very short span. Good point.
@CelicaCrazed
I'm inclined to agree with you on the way Nintendo does it's tech. They tend to come out with these big ideas but aren't so great on the follow through - just look at the original Wiimote and then Wii-motion plus, which is ideally what the wiimote should've been like in the first place. Nintendo's good at making the wheel, but Sony and Microsoft use that blueprint to make a better wheel.
@Operative 20 & REWQ
Yup, that was the worry that made me write this cblog. I don't think by any means it's a certainty that they'll go down the 3rd party route, and from looking at the compelling arguments so far in the replies I'm a bit less worried about what would happen if they did go 3rd party. I still want them to stay in the console making business, but I don't think it'd be the end of the world if they did go 3rd party. However, I still think most of Nintendo's business problems could be solved by not being ruled by their shareholders and not being afraid of taking risks by making new franchises, reviving a bunch of old ones, buying up some studios and buying some 3rd party exclusives. The main problem for the Wii, and the earlier N64 was big games droughts - what I've suggested could solve that, and it's not like they don't have millions to spare.
