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Dreamcast 2.0: Is the Wii headed for a certain doomed fate?
Brian Szabelski | 8:54 PM on 09.15.2009 49 comments




So, as you might know by now, Wii sales aren't doing so hot. The former champ of the console world has seen sales cut in half, thanks to a crappy economy and price cuts from competitors that offer a better deal. But even though a Wii pirce cut is planned for the end of the month, I can't help but wonder if it's too little, too late. No, the Wii isn't going to drop off the face of the Earth or anything, but I think it might just fade from our collective consciousness under a barrage of Xbox 360, PS3 and PC titles, to the point that it doesn't even exist in a mental sense. It sounds dumb, but it could really easily happen: how many people forgot the Gamecube was around when the PS2 and Xbox were dominating the scene, for example?

Such a set-up would essentially make the Wii another Dreamcast, except I don't expect it would kill Nintendo, just change their plans immensely for the next generation of consoles. But how exactly would something like this come about? To do that, we have to look at what makes the Wii so dismissed by core gamers right now, the same people who abandoned and later reunited with the Dreamcast.

Some will say it's all about graphics. Well, that plays a part, yes, but the PS2 was the least powerful of all three consoles last generation (meaning Gamecbue power > PS2 power) and yet we got titles like Final Fantasy XII, God of War and Shadow of the Colossus that were absolutely gorgeous and kicked the crap out of most of the Gamecube and Xbox libraries. Considering the Wii is more powerful than the Gamecube was — though the two share some parts — there is no reason so many Wii games look awful other than total laziness on the part of third party developers who want a quick buck with a PS2 or Xbox port to the Wii. That also explains the immense amount of shit shovelware on Nintendo's little console.

Some say its "the forced waggle" the Wii remote brings. Yes, Nintendo has motion controls at the forefront of their mind in development, but they are NOT forcing anyone to use waggle or the pointer or any other special features if they choose not to. And waggle or not, there are plenty of good games on the system.

That of course, brings me to the last thing people say: the library sucks. There are no good Wii games except Nintendo's. And to those people, I still simply ask them to open their eyes: Blast Works: Build, Trade, Destroy, The Conduit, De Blob, Elebits, Kororinpa: Marble Mania, Let's Tap, MadWorld, No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure. None of these games are awful and yet they all still sell poorly. The Dreamcast at times suffered from this same problem, yet today we find so many quality Dreamcast games that were passed over by the majority of the console's owners in its lifetime.

While it's not the exact same set-up as the Dreamcast's fall (we're not talking about cheap DVD players here), the story is more than a little bit similar: Console debuts and revolutionizes the gaming world. Console jumps out to huge success. Rival consoles quickly dwarf it and kill sales. Except this time, it's the future motion controls, the digital marketplaces and the online multiplayer capabilites of the PS3 and Xbox 360 that are ultimately going to put the Wii in a bad, bad place. If Nintendo can't come out with a more powerful and still relatively inexpensive Wii, then it's doomed to fall off the radar as Natal and the PS3 Wand deliver what the Wii remote does, just with a shinier package and the ability to play with friends all over the world easily. It's bad news for Nintendo and likely to make their next console much more traditional. While that's good on the graphics end, a non-innovative Nintendo is bad for the industry, as they are one of the few major innovators left.

In 10 years, I would expect that like the Dreamcast, the Wii will have a renaissance of sorts among collectors who start picking up some of the above mentioned titles out of bargain bins at their used game shops. They'll sit around and wonder why the console never caught on and had a massive drop-off in sales in 2010, while Nintendo survived and put out a PS3-like console as its replacement. And they'll never remember that a total lack of support from them and from developers was the reason the Wii became a classic console like the Dreamcast. Except this time, they can't say they could never afford it as an excuse.



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vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:05
vexed alex
What?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:07
Chris Carter
"So, as you might know by now, Wii sales aren't doing so hot."

When the majority of households already own one, you can't sell them two. Honestly, I will maintain that the Wii doesn't EVER need to cut it's price. $250 is fine, and affordable. The ONLY reason hardcore gamers are digging their heels before purchasing is the negative "casual/waggle" stigma behind the Wii, and the fact that it has like 1/10 of the shooter/action/fighting game market, which make up a huge part of game sales.

The Wii could go out of production right now and it would be considered a success, historically.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:10
Y0j1mb0
A tad bit premature and melodramatic for this, isn't NH?

The Wii isn't going anywhere and Nintendo has already made a shit ton of money already off the thing and continue to do so. Besides all Nintendo needs to do is put out another Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon and BAM...money in the bank.

A better analogy of a Dreamcast 2.0 is the original Xbox. So short lived and yet with an awesome library of games. Jet Set Radio Future, Gunvalkyre, Panzar Dragoon Orta, Otogi 1 & 2, Deathrow, and many more.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:20
Kraid
I guess you have a good point man but I see one big missled.

The Wii has satured the market for 3 years now , there is so much hardware bought by consumers that there is no need for them to buy more. The demand is not very high also during the 3rd business quarter of a fiscal year and wait and see what will happen when Mario and all that stupid shit (I love Mario games I'm just making a point) will drop on shelves for the holidays.

In my stores we sold 3X the amount of Wii system SKUS that we did in a complete year. People want the Wii only when they need it and when they have the money to spend.

ON THE OTHER HAND TOUGHT!

A lot of consumers bought the Wii in the first place because it was cheaper and it was "Revolutionnary" and they're starting to realize that you're not going to find an advance online service and triple A adult games and blockbuster hits. They want Call of Duty (Not Ports but the upgraded version) they want Blu-Ray players and Media Libraries , ect.

We are seeing a market shift in the way that most consumers are willing to spend money now on more powerfull console because of the price drops and because of their entertainement value.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:26
Jonathan Holmes
Interesting ideas! I see where you're coming from, but personally, I don't see things panning out that way. Wii sales have decreased lately, butalmost three years after it's release, the console is still yet to be outsold for a solid month by any of it's competitors (in the US anyway). The PS3 or the 360 would have to outsell the Wii by at least 2 to 1 for the next three years straight to even tie the Wii's current install base.

If that's the direction things start to go in, Nintendo could just price drop to $99 like they did with the Gamecube. With all the quality, "B" grade but big franchise games coming to the Wii right now (Crystal Bearers, Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, Dead Space: Extraction, Tatsunoko Vs Capcom, Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, etc), it's hard to image that even the most "hardcore" wouldn't be tempted to pick up a Wii at the meager price of $99.

That, and Dragon Quest X is a planned to be a Wii exclusive. So yeah, Japan isn't ever going to "forget" the Wii.

There are a lot more reasons why I don't think the Wii is going to lose it's position as market leader over the next two years. The console's cheaper, more accessible, more genre-varied game library for one, the continually increasing support of third parties is another. That said, when the Wii 2 launches in 2011 (or sometimes thereabout), that'll be a different story. I strongly suspect that the Wii 2 is going to fail pretty hard. Nintendo has a long track record of screwing up when they are in the lead, and I think that with Microsoft and Sony copying the Wii playbook in the near future, both companies are going to be tough to beat.

But hey, what do I know? I'm no more right or wrong than you are. Just pissing in the wind like everyone else.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:31
Kraid
As for your comment on the Wii underrated library I have only one thing to say based on my experience; I have honestly tried to sell Mad World , Little King's Story , Zack & Wiki to my customers with the best of my ability but they don't care. The mass market doesn't want innovative games they want sequels and known franchises.

So many times have they deviated to Call of Duty or Halo or anything that is not good on the system or not on the Wii while I was proposing the gold mine of good games.

As for the shovelware , trust me on that , people buy that shit. They don't care.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:33
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@ Kraid - NO! That is simply WRONG.

If there is anything we are learning from this generation, it's that most people don't care about incremental upgrades like Blue Ray and HD, nor do consumers care about all-in-one media players. You can't even say most consumers want a more powerful console because neither the PS3 or the Xbox 360 have ever outsold the wii in a given month since the wii's launch.

@ NihonTiger: You do realize that the Wii is actually selling at the same levels as the PS2 was 3 years into it's life cycle, in spite of still not having a price cut? And that it's still outselling both the PS3 and the Xbox 360?

It's as moronic as saying the PS2 was going to die, 3 years into it's life cycle. Honestly, I think it's more likely that the PS3 will die than the Wii.

No seriously, I think it's very likely we won't ever see a PS4, if the current trends continue.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:39
Kraid
@Hcapt -

I'm just asking to you work in retail like I do?

Since the beginning of the year , me and my staff have recommended more PS3s and XBOX360s to Wii owners than ever before. Does it means they are going to buy it right away? No ! We are exposing a perspective that is different and similar to what they are looking for. If you heard all the people complaining that there is nothing more on the Wii and how much they are willing now more than ever to spend money on a second console. I'm not saying that the Wii is inferior , what I'm saying is that people what more Consoles. They want a PS3 along their Wiis.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:42
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I think you're a generation too late on this. I liken the Wii to something more like a Saturn if only because of how badly it's bleeding fans. Sure, the once-loyal are being replaced with new blood so it's doubtful that Ninty's next system is going to be their swan-song, but even with Sega getting the last generation started early and was for a year and a half (depending on where you lived) the ONLY 6th-generation console you could have, there's a reason why it still failed, and the PS2 isn't the sole reason.

It was the Saturn. Sure, it had some good games but how many never came out in the states? The DC fell flat here because the world was still in its mascot era and the Saturn never got its Sonic game. Sonic Jam didn't count, and Sega would go to have Sonic Jams for every console in the generation after it. But yeah, a lot of people lost faith with Sega with the Saturn and the allure of the first PlayStation was too strong to resist.

Brand appeal is a big deal when it comes to consoles. Tell me, don't most people you talk to attribute their interest in a PS3 based on the successes of its predecessor? This worked for Sony once before, taking the world by storm with its PS1 and totally destroying the market with the PS2. This worked inversely for Sega. People dissatisfied with the Saturn likely jumped ship to Sony and stayed with the brand even when word of a new Sega system coming out. Why not buy it and wait for the PS2? People felt burnt by Sega for what happened then and refused to support their new system, and we can't forget console fanboyism. Yes, it existed back then, let's remember!

I do wonder how the next generation is going to go. It's a long ways off (so they say), but with the sheer amount of people who so-vocally hate the Wii, owning it or no, I'm not entirely sure Nintendo is going to come out looking all the better.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:45
Nic128
The image made me Rofl.

I'm gonna go with : With games on the far off horizon, like the next Zelda, DQ X, I don't think the wii will die.

Also try to say "wii will" 5 times, but fast.
Andrew Kauz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:47
Andrew Kauz
I'll piss a little in the wind too and say that it's probably not going to happen like you, I, or anyone else really thinks it will. These things rarely do. Who knows what consumers will want tomorrow, a year, or ten years from now?

Still, it's fun to wonder.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:51
Hcapt
@ Kraid:
I can't say I work in a video game store, and I don't hear the complaints you hear. the closest thing to an understanding of the buisness side comes from reading the articles on this site: http://malstrom.50webs.com/birdman.html

However, can you honestly tell me that the people who gave Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii 8-digit sales figures have an interest in anything on the HD consoles? I would think they would have a greater interest in Nintendogs than anything on an HD console.
Tdiddy9182's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:54
Tdiddy9182
Here is the difference...

People actually were saddened by the possibility of the Dreamcast dying
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:59
Kraid
@HCapt : People who bought the Wii Fit and Mario Kart probably had for the most part children. See the correlation here? It's fun for the kids but Pop and Mum wants something for their Big Screen. 12 years old kids who played Mario in 2006 are now 15 years old and want to play Call of Duty and Gears of War like their older brothers. That's where the confusion is ; ALL these sales are not bought by people who play the Wii or the DS because they like it. They are purchased by adults who wanted to provide entertainement for their seeds and make em' STFU until Xmas.

Anyway this is becoming serious talk , we could go on for hours but I guess you see my point.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 21:59
Hcapt
Truthfully, the reason I get so annoyed at this article is because I've been hearing "Nintendo is doomed" for so long, the fact that gamers still have trouble with Nintendo simply being more successful than all the other companies annoys me. How much longer am I going to hear "Ninendo is doomed," while Nintendo is being incredibly successful? And why doesn't anyone ever spread the doom to Sony and Microsoft's consoles? It's not like their gaming divisions haven't lost billions in the HD twin wars.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:00
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Wow, I got quite a strong response from this. Was just throwing an idea out there, nothing more. :)

Perhaps it's a bit early to call this, as Jimbo and Holmes said. For all I know, things could change in six months. Nintendo still has some big aces up their sleeve in franchises they haven't touched on the Wii, and while they've been criticized for not bringing out a Star Fox and a F-Zero game for their console yet, it's smart because they haven't blown their load all at once.

And some of you do bring up a good point that it isn't all about graphics. I would say I tried to argue that in my post above with my PS2 example. It wasn't the most powerful and didn't have the best looking games, but it had enough of a support base from third parties and enough diversity - things the Wii lacks and the Dreamcast somewhat struggles with - to be a success regardless. Oh, and the cheap DVD player thing helped a hell of a lot, too.

The point I was trying more to make with all of this has to do with the Wii's perception and how it will likely be treated both now and in the future. I don't know if the Wii will turn into another Dreamcast yet, but it's a possibility. It's a possibility I hope doesn't happen, though.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:02
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@Hcapt: I'm far from the last person to say Nintendo is DOOMED, and in fact, I'm not trying to say that. They will make it out of this generation alive, most definitely. The real question will be how they will approach the next generation and what the Wii's legacy will be, I guess.

Let me assert this again: Even if my scenario above played out, Nintendo is not going to die like Sega did. They will make another console and the DSi will soldier on as champion of the handheld market.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:02
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Isn't the PS3 a tad more Dreamcast-ish? And witht he money Nintendo made 'till now they're done for this generation, and I'm with Tdiddy.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:16
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After all the sales the Wii already got, there's no "doom" coming for it, now or ever. Even if no one more sold from this point forward, it wouldn't matter anymore. It destroyed the competition in every way.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:16
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Nice read. Though one thing reallllly killing Nintendo is their choice to be picky and "safe" when it comes to online games. Friend Codes? This is nice and all but they don't need to be 3 sentences long. If they're going to implement it, at least make it like Gamertags/PSN IDs where the system has a set FC and used for ALL games. I generally don't even bother playing Wii games online for the fact the few online suck and it requires me to give said person the FC for said game. then to add to it, the FCs are again, loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

I mean the Wii has a decent amount of Wii games going for it. then the Virtual Consoles are surprisingly going strong. (Whatever happened to the import part of the VC? I was happy for it but outside of Sin and Punishment, I haven't heard anything on it.) The system's nice, but it needs to stop the shitty shovelware that towards the casual gamers that probably won't return later.

I can see the connection between DC and the Wii. But even now I still cherish my Dreamcast. My Wii well...when the good games hit, I'm more than willing to set it up and play. Like now. Whenever I find some money, Muramasa. then No More Heroes 2.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:19
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@ Kraid

No, I don't see your point. Maybe it's because I'm a late-teen gamer who has been so bored by consoles at this point he decided to take up reading instead. Maybe if the HD twins weren't even more boring than the Wii in my eyes I would agree. Maybe if having bought Little King's Story, Zak and Wiki, and Mad World I believed they were titles worth purchasing I would agree. But I don't agree.

The HD twins are full of confusing difficult to learn crap that play like movies I would never watch, all the titles you mentioned I found overrated (except Mad World, which was just too short), and frankly, the Wii seems to actually be the best system for my kind of core games. Admittedly, that Halo Wars is a million seller bothers me, but why would you not suggest Halo 3? It's the only freaking game on the Xbox 360 that can be played with guests while online! That's a very important quality to people who like playing with friends.

I can't say what all people are like (i.e. that all the sales are from families who don't like the wii), but I can speak for myself. I keep the Wii because it has pokemon puzzle league, tetris online, Mario, and Zelda (and that virtual console selection). I very much enjoy Halo, and I loved GTA: Vice City, but GTA: IV was very disappointing and I would not buy an Xbox to play it (my brother's; he's the onle who buys all the bad Halo games). While I admit No More Heroes was in fact awesome, just about all the other "core" games just aren't all that great to me. I played Fallout 3, and found it too brown. Played through an hour of Bioshock before I thought to myself "Am I having fun?" and realized the answer was no. Ended up loving the DS as the best system because of Phoenix Wright, Pokemon, New Super Mario Bros., Yoshi's Island GBA, and Donkey Kong Country 2 GBA. And to be honest, there is no excuse for me having more fun playing Donkey Kong Country 2 than the games that came out fifteen years later. Years of evolution in gaming should not be as of yet unsurpassed by games of 15 years ago, which had much greater hardware restrictions.

Incidently, I do admit Wii Sports Resort is awesome. I would totally suggest that to anyone who complains that the Wii has no games right now.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:19
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@Nihon
"Perhaps it's a bit early to call this, as Jimbo and Holmes said. For all I know, things could change in six months"

I don't think things will change: I rather think they'll stay exactly the same. But again, this is about the Wii already being saturated, not how it's "beginning to fail".
dwolfwood's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:36
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I gotta say, the Wii is in a very interesting position. One that has never been achieved by a console to my knowledge.

Epic sales with Epic numbers of fail software. There's some good games, I'll admit. Twilight Princess alone was worth purchasing my Wii for. However, even my poor selling PS3 has exponentially more content worth buying and keeping me entertained than the Wii.

For me personally it might be that the Wii games make me just want to stop playing video-games and go outside and exercise for real.

Despite it's lowest sales records, I still stand by my belief that the PS3 has the most exclusive games that have taken my interest.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:41
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I don't believe this. Really? REALLY? REALLY? Are we still harping on this shit? Really? God dammit.
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:55
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You know, I think I'm just going to hide this C-Blog and be done with it. It's not helping anyone and you guys are just getting pissed off.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 22:56
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just when I actually do remember to stick around for one of your blogs, it's gonna end before I get more than 1 comment in. -cuts-
Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:02
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@Shin: I don't know, I'm just getting frustrated that I feel like people are reading the header I put on this and just commenting away. I'll keep it open for now, though. Please, comment if you'd like.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:10
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C'mon Nihon, don't hide it! This blog is rocking!

Let them rock.

Plus, new idea- the Wii will always been known for the console that brought motion controls to the masses. Even if the console totally flops from here on out, it will always be remembered for at least that.

My point? Well, the first console to try at real motions controls was what? Yeah, that's right, the Dreamcast! Samba de Amigo and Sega Bass Fishing both used Wii-style motion controls, and both were fairly awesome. They just weren't in the right place at the right time.

So you're right, the Wii is the Dreamcast 2.0.

That makes you a super genius.

Here's your semi-sexy Cammy cosplay

Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:11
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@NihonTiger
Please, don't hide this blog. It's a well-thought out interesting read. It's pretty clear that you weren't just saying that the Wii was going to be the end of Nintendo, and I especially liked the point you made about it having a renaissance among collectors.

Be a man, stand up for what you think. Also, fapped.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:13
Kraid
Yeah man , we were debating iss cool! Everybody let's hug

Brian Szabelski's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:14
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BLOG STAYS OPEN

Frustration be damned. Debate, gentlemen. And ladies, if you are here.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:31
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lol fuck yea at the staying open.

on that note, i'm actually somewhat happy for the price cut. I sold my dad's wii and gave him mine. Now I can rebuy it with no shame, give him that one and take my Wii back. I'm already behind on some of those downloadable games and I need to get ready for the few games I want. Of course this is all after the PS3 purchase.

but yea. I don't see this as the end of the Wii. Sales will go down, but like most companies, they'll find something to either bring in new people or the current owners of the system. Plus kids are always moving out and will need to buy one for themselves for college or the sort.

slowdown? Sure. But at this rate, Nintendo doesn't really have an excuse to give us 1st party titles that aren't Mario Metriod and Zelda. (coughFZEROcough)
Laird's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/15/2009 23:42
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"Such a set-up would essentially make the Wii another Dreamcast, except I don't expect it would kill Nintendo, just change their plans immensely for the next generation of consoles. But how exactly would something like this come about? To do that, we have to look at what makes the Wii so dismissed by core gamers right now, the same people who abandoned and later reunited with the Dreamcast."

But the Wii isn't supported by core gamers, it's supported by expanded market gamers. And presently, they show no signs of abandoning it. As was already pointed out, the Wii's sales are still very good despite being down. And even if they do flood the market with consoles and really slow down sales, they'll make a killing on software sales (like with Wii Sports Resort). Not to mention Nintendo makes a hell of a lot more profit off their little white box than the other guys do since the Wii is a lot cheaper to manufacture.

I don't know how Natal and the Wand will fare, but I'll tell you now that motion controls were only the "bait," so to speak. What set the hook and reeled in the expanded market was the easy-to-play games they had going on. I doubt that people will be more excited for Natal and the Wand than the Wii just cause they're shinier, because we've already established that graphics don't matter to the success of a system. It's the games and content that matter. And Nintendo already has the games that the expanded market wants. MS and Sony have an awful lot of catching up to do if they even want to come close to tapping into the market that Nintendo has cornered currently.
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 01:24
FistfulOAwesome
The only people who are any threat to the Wii are Nintendo themselves. Their dabbling in User-Generated Content games (Wii Music, Warioware: DIY) effectively killed the Wii's momentum. After Wii Music bombed (2.5 mil is a bomb for the Wii (considering Wii Fit has gone over 20 mil and WSR has made near twice Wii Music's sells in under 3 months) Nintendo lost some credibility that would not be able to be fully recovered.

Nintendo has recently screwed themselves yet again by lowering the Wii's price. By lowering the price they sent a message to the customers that they are competing against Sony and Microsoft, that they are a threat, that they are in any way equal to them. Huge mistake that very few game sites are catching on too.

Nintendo has been screwing up royally since about Summer '08. Strike one was killing off the Wii's momentum with Wii Music (A user-generated content game meaning a no-content game). Strike two is chocking the Wii's credibility with this price cut (now everybody is going to think that the Wii is a lesser console that sells to "casuals" only and that it's probably still continuing high sales are because of it's low price and not because of it's great games (Morons! WSR was already bringing the Wii's sales back up and NSMBW and WF+ would have skyrocketed them. Why the **** did they price cut!?). Nintendo still hasn't lost, but if they make some dreaded Strike 3, then you can consider them lost (and in the same dead end situations as Sony and Microsoft). I only hope that somebody in that company gets their head back on straight and resets them to their glorious 2006/2007 time, before it's too late.

But don't just take my word for it. Check out Malstroms blog and site if you really want to understand.

Blog: seanmalstrom.wordpress.com
Site: malstrom.50webs.com
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 01:38
FistfulOAwesome
Addendum: I know that Warioware:DIY is not a Wii game. I was just using an example of another User-Generated Content game that Nintendo made. It and Wii Music's failure are probably what set Nintendo back to the drawing board. The next year is a transition period for Nintendo where they release safe sequels (Mario, Metroid, Pokemon) while they come up with their comeback plan, which will hopefully remember that the customers want games with content and that they shouldn't give a **** what S/M do, since they are dead in the water (their aping of the motion controls being their last splashes before they sink underwater) and while Nintendo still has a chance to reach the promised land (even with the shot arm and leg they gave themselves).
Bat Country's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 05:11
Bat Country
What are you talking about, the Wii is going to be fine. Especially with something like this:



OOooh yeah. You want my to put my finger in there.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 08:11
Chris Carter
@Nihon
I don't think anyone in here is actually pissed off. <3
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 09:08
DF
Wait, wait, wait. How is a price cut BAD for Nintendo? Sure, I understand that price dropping says that Ninty views the other two as a threat, but didn't the head of Sony say something about not even recognizing the Wii as a gaming platform or the like? I'm twisting words I know. It's pretty foolish to cover your ears and close your eyes to pretend that the other two aren't there. That's just silly.

Personally, why weren't there cries of this when the PS3 dropped its price? ohnos sonee sees wee an exbocs as thret Come on, now. You have to realize that the Wii's main advantage for the longest time was that it was a lower-priced console in comparison to the other two. Staying at $249 when you have an Arcade at $149 or a PS3 at $299 is tenuous territory. After all, lowering the price could be a way to push even more consoles out into the saturated market. Ask your parents about (or if you're old enough, remember) the gasoline price wars in the 70s here in the States. Lower prices = consumer wins. Besides, Sony hit gold with the PS3 slim and a price drop, as many people were on the fence until the price came down. Maybe a price drop would work for Nintendo in somewhat the same way? And, Ninty is the last console to drop its price.

Imagine if you will, if they dropped all the way to $99. "o gods its ovar" No, but then everyone would really be buying it. I bet Nintendo would lose a lot of money that way, but just imagine. For the price of about one and a half or two games, you can have a whole console. Won't be happening anytime soon, but just a thought. =P
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 09:39
Elsa
... interesting thoughts... though I think it depends on whether the Wii continues to evolve. If it doesn't evolve even so far as becoming HD... then I could see this future possibility - but I think that Nintendo is smart enough to continue evolving the Wii just as the other two console makers do.
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 10:13
FistfulOAwesome
@Doomsday Forte
Aside from the points I made in my third paragraph in my first post, it also loses customers rather than gaining them. Anybody who was waiting on the Wii for a price cut now will wait longer. After all, if they price cut once, who says they won't do it again (S/M both price cut their consoles multiple times)? And seriously, it's only 50$ less. Was that really that big a deal? Are there really any customers that thought they'd go without food if they bought a Wii at 250$, but at 200$ see it as a steal?

Also, I love the misconception that the Wii sold because it was cheaper than the other consoles. The Xbox 360 Arcade has been 200$ for quite a while now, but that hasn't made it even close to impacting the Wii's sales.

Media didn't talk up the Wii because of it's price. Katie Couric talked about the Wii because of it's games. We haven't seen the media so positively reacting to games since the NES era. In that same vein, people bought the Wii because of the games. Wii Sports and Wii Fit are more appealing than Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gears of War (selling a ****ton more is all the proof I need)

Nintendo should never have acknowledged S/M. They have not been in competition with them. While the big HD dinosaurs have fought each other in the warzone of super-expensive tech and "Hardcore" games, the small rodent Wii has been preparing itself for the great meteor (another game crash) with it's focus on expanding gaming (both to people and the perception of what a game is). Considering how much more the Wii has sold than the Xbox/PS, I don't know how any person can honestly think that Nintendo is in any danger from S/M, or should have acknowledged them. I thought S/M's motion controls would wake people up to the Wii as the victor, but I hoped for too much.

Sony hitting gold with the PS3 Slim? That's a laugh. They more likely hit a sewage valve. They were already losing tons on the classic PS3's, and now they lose even more on the Slim. People don't buy a console because it's cheap. They buy it for the games. Sony didn't have worthwile games at 600$, and they don't have worthwhile games at 300$. I'll have a great laugh when the PS3 Slim's sales drop back into classic territory, and the "Hardcore" try to explain it away.

That "gasoline" example is not correct to correlate gaming to. With gasoline, the only thing you can offer is a better price. The only strategy is undercutting the competition. The 2 home gaming systems out now (the Wii and the HD twins) offer vastly different experiences. The Wii has it's expanded market games, while the HD Twins have their "Hardcore" games. More people are interested in the Wii's games than in the HD Twin games.

Your last paragraph is, to put it frankly, just idiotic. You asked me what would be bad about dropping the Wii's price. I already gave you major reasons in my first post, and another at the beginning of this one. Yet then you go and make this post highlighting a more obvious reason why a lower price is bad for the Wii. It will make less money. Selling a million dollar game one million times is better than selling a 10 million dollar game 5 million times (you understand what I'm trying to say, right?).

I can't explain any better than that. My recommendation? Read Malstroms blog and site. He explains much better than I do. I put up the addresses in my first post. Go and learn something, or better yet, unlearn what you've currently learned (I saw another Dtroider write that, but I can't remember his name. If I could I would credit him).
Tascar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 10:37
Tascar
NihonTiger90, congrats on joining the club of bloggers who have gotten trashed and showered with Sean Malstrom's Blue Ocean routine for daring to point out something even remotely negative about Nintendo.
FistfulOAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 10:49
FistfulOAwesome
@Tascar
I'd hardly call it trashed and showered when only me and HCapt mentioned him, and we both wrote thought-out posts that did nothing to personally attack Nihon.

The reason we mention Malstrom is because so many people (including Nihon) are misinformed. They put their own takes on Nintendo's business with the constant threat of "Doom" at it's footsteps. How the hell is the market leader, that has been outselling it's competition by ****loads, for years, in any danger (aside from itself, as I've mentioned)!?

Malstrom is a real student of business that analyzes the Wii's impact without putting his personal feelings into account ("This isn't personal, this is strictly business"). If you read his blog, you will notice that he does like the Wii (while feeling nothing for the HD Twins), but he doesn't let it affect his points (he himself has attacked Nintendo for it's stupid User-Generated Content era and lowered price of the Wii).

As for the Blue Ocean, there is not a single credible business school today that doesn't make "The Innovators Dilemma" and/or "The Blue Ocean Strategy" required reading. They are that important. Nintendo themselves have mentioned the books and used their terms for the past few years (to the point that people think they invented them).
Sven Wohl's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 10:51
Sven Wohl
While I do not agree with some parts of your article, I have to say that it is well written and quite interesting. The Wii is quite often forgotten when many people talk about games, and there are many haters around, which is quite annoying. I do think that Nintendo has to rethink their position, but I guess they will be fine. Good games are still coming, they will push the hardware and the price cut will help too.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 14:23
Takeshi
Great article. Food for thought.

I refuse to think the Wii is saturated. I haven't got one yet. And so many others with me. Nintendo could still win me over.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 16:59
GohanGVO
Two tiny notes: de Blob has sold at least 700,000 copies and No More Heroes surpassed 440,000 copies. Both figures are worldwide. They are not top-tier numbers, but they are considered successful titles for each company.
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2009 19:17
MatCD
The real question will be how they will approach the next generation and what the Wii's legacy will be, I guess.

So in other words: Nintendo Wii ~ Sega Saturn
wiiboycubed101's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2009 12:55
wiiboycubed101
sony ps3 4.5 billion loss and counting, xbox 1 4 billion loss, x360 4 billion loss and counting.... HD twins going poor mans weaker than wii not suited to core ""MOTION"" as wii inst going HD and wm+ and a analog stick as part of the motion control set up BLOWS AWAY THE PS3 WANDS AND NATAL before they even hit...ps3 slim remodel a price drop and a huge Sony add campaign costing sony millions gained a number one sales spot of 1 MONTH and the ps3 slim operates at huge loss ad is now a second place seller and a 3rd place userbase ALL AT HUGE LOSS AS THE OTHER SONY DEPARTMENTS ALSO POPERATE AT LOSS add motion wands dev costs and marketing costs its all getting out of hand at sony there whole corp operates at loss in the red and playstation brand operates at huge billions apone billions loss....

xbox is now at 8 billion loss and a 21 billion investment before xbox 1 all spent also and natal is a PHANTOM a eyetoy plus being marketed as a savior to gaming and a wii killer MARKETING HYPE its a phantom to try slow down wii

thanks giving 2009 owned by nintendo console and handheld's and November and December 2009 will be owned by nintendo.... the 1st Q1 of 2010 will also be wii DS owned.............. ps3 wands early 2010 will have no more than a 1 good month

malstrom has predicted this generation and trhe future of gaming

as has WIIBOY101
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