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Rantoid: Dreamcast 2 would fail
Necros | 4:46 PM on 12.07.2007 19 comments




Necros Says: As noted in last week's horribly late installment, "Friday Rantoid" is now just "Rantoid." All rights reserved, copyright 2007, trademark, Marky Mark, etc. Also, a disclaimer: although I have used a Dreamcast before, I still have yet to buy one of my own, so take that as whatever bias you want it to be.

Hardcore gamers are a sentimental bunch, unable to let go of the past. They sit around all day, playing Turtles in Time and saying things like, "You know what would be awesome? If Capcom made a sequel to Mega Man Legends 2." Some of the greatest wishes have been the revival of classic properties, like Bionic Commando, Street Fighter, and Final Fight. Then, when the game comes out, they are free to complain about how the quality of the game is nowhere near as great as the design of the original. Apparently, no reimagining can ever match up to a game restricted by the ancient technology it was built on. (That said, I'd be the first in line to buy a futuristic Zelda game.)

But there's one property that seems very unlikely to get revived: the Sega Dreamcast. In recent years, the continued growth of hardcore gaming on the internet has led the masses to think "hey, you know, the Dreamcast was actually an awesome system," as opposed to their original thoughts of "haha, Jet Grind Radio is so much worse than Fantavision!" Suddenly, the Dreamcast is totally awesome, with its only fault being that "mainstream gamers" can not recognize the true grandeur of the spiral-labeled system. This naturally causes the true Dreamcast devotee to ask: Where were you when the Dreamcast died for your sins on a cross made of dead PS2s?

Regardless of this squabbling and actual flaws with the system, like the god-awful controller - don't lie to yourself, the thing is a clunky mess of suck - the Dreamcast has become accepted as a diamond-in-the-rough of classic gaming. So needless to say, the excitement was monumental when rumors arose of a new patent that could lead to a second Dreamcast. And why shouldn't they be excited? After all, the Dreamcast was literally the second coming of 8-bit Christ, an island of joy in a sea of despair. So by all the laws of the world created by our God Miyamoto, Dreamcast 2 should be the second coming all over again? That is to say, the legendary third coming, spoken of only in whispers of days long past?

No. It's a terrible idea.



The moment I heard the "news," a question came to mind: where would it fit in the current market? The 360, PS3, and Wii seem to have the market divided up pretty well so far. While there are exceptions on every console, each console has its own defined space. The Wii is having great success in drawing in casual gamers, non-gamers, and the younger audience, along with the vocal Nintendo fanboy movement. The 360 has defined the online standard for this generation and has a large amount of AAA titles from Western developers. In addition, it has essentially become a Dreamcast-like system in Japan, where the hardcore minority has grown attached to it the same way America originally became fond of the Dreamcast, except instead of liking quirky Japanese games and JRPGs, they are drawn to FPS and strategy games. Finally, the PS3 has...well, to be honest, I'm not sure how much strength the PS3 actually has in the industry. It is popular among fans of the Playstation name/corporate branding and is a major draw for cutting-edge technology whores. Still, it is possible to make the argument that the industry can barely support three consoles, much less four. Add in two handhelds that have an increasingly sophisticated library and downloadable arcade-style games on every console, and suddenly, the market looks very crowded.

The basis of succeeding in a market lies in either beating the current offerings in offerings or finding a niche to exploit. It is foolhardy to believe that Sega could introduce Dreamcast 2 and come in anywhere close to second-place. The hope of securing exclusive third-party games for a system is rapidly diminishing as rising development costs take a toll on publishers. Apart from the Wii, the 360 and PS3 are already fairly similar systems, receiving many cross-platform games. A high-powered Dreamcast 2 would likely receive some of these games, but there's nothing special about that. It could attempt to appeal to the arcade demographic, but Xbox Live Arcade and the occasional PSN game already offer this service, with Wii receiving ports of lower-grade arcade games like Ghost Squad. Furthermore, the chances that gamers already owning one of the systems, especially a 360, is very high, meaning that only some of the more hardcore gamers would consider buying a new console that offers most of the features already possessed on other consoles.



Now, the Dreamcast 2 could hypothetically attempt to sustain a life based on being the sole provider of Sega games. In recent years, Nintendo essentially sold the Gamecube as the only place to get Nintendo games, with few redeeming factors beyond that. Using this strategy would by no means rocket the Dreamcast 2 to success, but it would at least distinguish it from other systems. However, I'd like to call your attention to a sad, undeniable fact: Sega sucks. While they once produced great games, playing any of their recent games is a recipe for disaster. As much as I'd like to try NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, I can't help thinking that given their latest track record, Sega is going to drop the ball. Take a look at what they've done to Sonic, their star mascot, the reason for their success. His latest game, Sonic the Hedgehog for 360, was an exercise in poor game design, even poorer presentation, and hedgehog-on-girl action. Sega has lost track of what made their games special, and as far as I'm concerned, their only good games today come from Treasure. So to those who brag about the return of a console devoted mostly to Sega games, I point and laugh, unable to believe that someone would actually desire that.

So to summarize, would I welcome Dreamcast 2 into the marketplace? Once again, no. Sega has fallen from glory and a new console would be Dreamcast 2 in name only. Furthermore, releasing it now would be another example of Sega's legendary bad timing, and it would become a flop in the market. The best thing I could hope for is for Sega to rediscover that magic that made their old games good and try to apply that to any new games. Otherwise, you wind up with games that treat hedgehogs like they are serious characters and lead to overly dramatic furry porn.

And that's no good.



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Necros's Destructoid Blog
I give my foreword an 11/10.
Husky Hog's Destructoid Blog
I didn't read this post, I was forced to by IRCartel
Necros's Destructoid Blog
Husky lies like a rug.
balth's Destructoid Blog
I would have put some comment, but I was too attached to the past to learn how to use this fancydangled contraption for posting.

Also, IRCartel.
Husky Hog's Destructoid Blog
You're right, I did lie

I wasn't forced to read it, I was forced to comment
SourGr8pes's Destructoid Blog
That chart is BS! Coconut cream would have more public exposure if more people were aware of it. I mean, pumpkin pie revolves around a holiday for gods sake! Coconut cream needs that kind of tie-in.
Necros's Destructoid Blog
Husky was forced toSHUT UP.
MaxVest's Destructoid Blog
You forgot the secret weapon. Three little words: VMU. I mean Visual Memory Unit.

Yeah, I got your niche right here. Also, stop pressuring everyone to read your blog.
Necros's Destructoid Blog
Techno Mage's Destructoid Blog
I seem to recall owning around three or four games total for Dreamcast: Sonic Adventure, Ready 2 Rumble Boxing, Jet Grind Radio, and Seaman, the titular character of which still haunts my dreams to this very day, his face being that of the face of MADNESS. Needless to say, three out of four of those were fantastic, but I don't recall a lot of other stand-out games.

But yeah, I have to agree with you that the Dreamcast 2 couldn't possibly survive in the current game market, especially not with the degradation of the quality of Sega's current properties. I found this to be an incredibly well thought-out post. Bravo!

Also: That fucking controller! Aaaaurugh!
jdub28's Destructoid Blog
I think the dreamcast 2 would be a success if sega had the money to throw around. Bungie and soon rockstar are free agents that sega could at least get some interest from. They have had over a year to learn what the market wants from their new-gen consoles. and... forget it its SEGA. they messed up SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
king3vbo's Destructoid Blog
NOOOOO HOW DARE YOU SPEAK THESE WORDS
tsunamikitsune's Destructoid Blog
NONONONONO DREAMCAST WOULD BE AWESOME SHUT UP YOUR OPINION DOESNT MATTER YOU BIG STUPID DOODOO HEAD.......okay, now to actually read your post. :D

You make a lot of good points, as much as I hate to admit it. I love my Dreamcast and I love Sega, but a second Dreamcast (realistically) wouldn't do any good. I think the way most people see it is that the Dreamcast 2 = Sega being awesome again. That was my first thought, anyway.

When I think of the Dreamcast, a good number of awesome games come to mind. As far as I'm concerned, Sonic Adventure (1&2) were good. Every Sonic game afterwards was awful. In my opinion, when the Dreamcast died, Sonic (along with every other good series they made) died with it.

I associate the name "Dreamcast" with Sega when they were good. So, when I hear "Dreamcast 2", my first thought is that Sega is going to be good again. After the inital shock, I know that's not true, but still I wish it was.

I still love Sega to death, even if only for their old stuff. More than a Dreamcast 2, I think I'd like to see old Dreamcast games make a return (like Rez and Ikaruga are on the Xbox Live Arcade).
MissHinasaki's Destructoid Blog
Perhaps this is all over some kind of crazy pact where Sega just desperately throws themself at one of the random companies like a desperate crack whore in order to save what is left of their "dignity." And by Dignity, I mean name.

Sega died. I have come to terms with that. I can totally see them pretty much reincarnating the Dreamcast in the form of making there better games downloadable on the other systems. Try to revive them. And pretty much just try make some more money off of what they did right a long time ago.

I dunno. When I try to talk about Sega this big sentimental block just fills up my head and I can't speak logically anymore. What I want: Another Dreamcast. What I've Come to Except: Sega is dead. What I'm Hoping for: They will not be a completely inanimate corpse and will become the undead, since they pretty much don't have option to be alive but still haven't quite reached the state of complete total epic failure.
MissHinasaki's Destructoid Blog
And I'm sorry. I honestly didn't read the post but I promise I will later.
DynamicSheep's Destructoid Blog
While I do agree with your expectation that a Dreamcast 2 would fail (barring any unforeseen awesomeness), I don't agree that "Suddenly, the Dreamcast is totally awesome". The Dreamcast was ALWAYS awesome... I enjoyed (though, was disappointed by) Sonic Adventure. I was utterly addicted to Phantasy Star Online... Power Stone was fun, Soul Caliber was PERFECT, Resident Evil: Code Veronica was cool, Shen-Mue was epic (in scope, too bad it wasn't complete), and Seaman was the most fun I've ever had talking to a computer. The controller was big, but that's because of the lack of rumble... it needed two slots, one for the rumble pack, and one for the VMU. The VMU was awesome. They should really bring that back on some system... maybe build VMU-like functionality into a PS3 game that can be accessed through the PSP.

DREAMCAST FTW!
Necros's Destructoid Blog
@ DynamicSheep
I'm not saying the Dreamcast wasn't always awesome, I'm just referring to the recent trend in gaming opinion that suddenly everyone is a fan of the Dreamcast, attempting to retcon their previous opinions, and that because of this, it's dangerous to your health to mention any faults of the system during Dreamcast love-ins being held by new fans following the trend.
EternalDeathSlayer's Destructoid Blog
It was a good system but honestly it didn't match up with the competition after the PS2 came out. I loved it while it was there, but I don't fuck with it anymore. The sports games have been bettered for the most part, and if you play Sonic Adventure, it will hurt. It hasn't aged well.
Mxyzptlk's Destructoid Blog
As a huge Dreamcast fan, I agree with you completely. The market is crowded enough as it is, and Sega has been pissing out the fire of nostalgia by putting their mascots in sub-par games over the last generation. Dreamcast 2 would pretty much appeal only to the original DC audience, which obviously didn't work out so well for Sega. They can do a lot better by staying a third-party company. Also, I didn't read your post.


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