Quantcast
Destructoid - Bob Muir's Community Blog




About Me


Yo. I just graduated from Syracuse University, with a major in Television/Film at the Newhouse School.

I love video games, gaming/nerd culture, examining games critically as an art form, and all the useless trivia and data surrounding games. I am a consumer whore. Gaming is obviously one of my primary hobbies, though not the only one. I'm a regular on Failcast.

I also watch anime and read manga when I get the chance. It's mostly just mainstream and shonen stuff as a result of the ease of accessibility, though I try to see some more obscure series when I get the chance.

I have epic hair.

I play bass guitar and have been in a band. It's broken up. I lived the dream.

I love rock. I tend to gravitate towards various types of punk, alternative, or indie, though I'll listen to anything. Bob Dylan rocks. Also, random weird underground stuff. The NES sound chip was amazing.

Rantoid - An editorial column that updates on Sunday
The Zen of Yaris
Conditions of a Review
Longevity - seven years, to be exact
Stop talking about HD-DVD
What is wrong with Japanese developers?
Are achievements beneficial?
PConsoles
Random topic for New Year's
Gaming changed my Christmas
Dreamcast 2 would fail
Buy more special editions
Game Length and You
Reexamining Twilight Princess
Thank you, Mr. Thompson, for being our nemesis
Do games need to be respectable?
Startgame Syndrome's dark secrets
Pre-hype is a big let-down
Why can't games have bad endings?
Why would you want a Resident Evil film to begin with?

Illustrated Review - A picture-focused analysis of gaming stuff, to save you the trouble of trying it
Fallout 3 Survival Edition (and Collector's Edition)
Fable II Limited Collector's Edition
Dead Space Ultra Limited Edition
SoulCalibur IV Premium Edition
Grand Theft Auto IV: Special Edition
Devil May Cry 4: Collector's Edition
Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect: Limited Editions
Check Mii Out Channel

Systems Owned: DS, DS Lite, GCN, GBA, GBA SP, GB Micro, GBC, N64, PS2, PSP, Wii, Xbox, Xbox 360

Favorite types of games: retro/retro-influenced games, Metroidvanias, action, and puzzle

Favorite singleplayer game: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

Favorite multiplayer game: Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Will kick your ass at: Puzzle League

Favorite first-party developer: Nintendo

Favorite third-party developer: Konami

Dislikes: Sports, sports games, bad music, fanboys, Mac haters, broccoli, and snow





Email: necrosterminus [at] gmail.com
Failcast: failcast [at] gmail.com
IM: NecrosTerminus
Skype: NecrosTerminus
Xbox Live: NecrosTerminus
360's Blog: 360Voice
Gamer Profile
3DS friend code:
Steam:
Battle:
PSN:
Mii: 8627-3860-8282-3732
Gamertag:
Following (98)
-D-
Aaron Linde
Aaron Mxy Yost
aborto thefetus
Aerox
Andrew Benton
AngelsDontBurn
Anthony Burch
Ashley Davis
atheistium
BahamutZero
balth
BFeld13
bhive01
BigPopaGamer
blehman
bloodylip
BluDesign
Brad Rice
Brian Szabelski
bunnyrabbit2
Butmac
CannibalCalvin
Cataract
ceark
Chad Concelmo
charliesuh
Cheeburga
cjpkiller
Colette Bennett
Conrad Zimmerman
Coonskin05
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
Cowzilla3
CronosBlade
Dale North
Daniel Husky Lingen
DJDuffy
Dyson
EternalDarkWing
Excremento
FAILCAST
Genki-JAM
Hamza CTZ Aziz
HarassmentPanda
Hitogoroshi
Hollie Bennett
itemforty
Jesse Cortez
Jim Sterling
Joe Burling
Jordan Devore
Justice
keener
king3vbo
Knight13
Knivy
Kryptinite
LarkOhiya
Liz Alexander
LostCrichton
Macca
Maurice Tan
MaxVest
McSnow
nademagnet
naia-the-gamer
Namelessted
Nick Chester
Niero
nintendoll
Ogu
Passionate Styos
Phist
PraiseChaos
Puppetpallmich
RHWeeeee6
riomccarthy
Riser Glen
Samit Sarkar
Sharpless
Snaileb
tazarthayoot
Technophile
tehuberone
the GAMEGOBLIN
The GHost
Tiff
Toneman
Topher Cantler
Tristero
tsunamikitsune
vexed alex
wardrox
Y0j1mb0
Yashoki
youkilledmyguy
ZServ
Dead Rising about to get sued for having a similar setting; creators of copyright spinning in their graves
Bob Muir | 5:10 AM on 02.14.2008 24 comments




I just finished Dead Rising tonight. Actually, I finished the story about two weeks ago, but I got the final achievement tonight. After I wrapped the playthrough and finally took one of the best zombie games I've ever played out of my 360, I checked up on what Kotaku had posted today and found this little gem: Dead Rising could soon be in hot water over the game's similarity to George Romero's Dawn of the Dead, essential viewing for any zombie fan. It seems the copyright holders are finally deciding that they don't like that Capcom copied their "zombies in a mall premise" and are likely getting ready to file a lawsuit.

I can not overstate how retarded any potential lawsuit would be. It's not like Capcom was ever claiming this game was related to Romero's classic, and the game even bears a disclaimer stating it's not related to it in any form. Capcom never actively marketed it as a worthy successor to the movie, so claiming that it's a knockoff made just for a quick buck would be irresponsible.

That means the only thing that the MKR Group can stand on is that both the game and the movie have the same premise of zombies in a mall, with survivors hanging out in the security room. Sure, it's undeniable that the setting is exactly the same. But as anyone who has played the game will agree, the tone of the game is completely different than the movie. In Dawn of the Dead, the few survivors act with extreme caution in anything they do and try to avoid conflict as much as possible. Dead Rising, in contrast, allows the player to take great pleasure in killing as many zombies as they can with whatever weapons they can find, running about with reckless abandon as you take no permanent penalty for having a zombie chew on your shoulder. Futhermore, while Dawn of the Dead is a social commentary on consumerism in America, Dead Rising's plot is more concerned with an international view of America as an resource-consuming entity, mixed with ridicule for common American stereotypes. (The game's psychopaths, or bosses, include a goth pyromaniac, a corrupt cop, a shell-shocked Vietnam veteran, a redneck, and a trio of snipers who brag about their rights granted by the Second Amendment.)

Needless to say, the MKR Group doesn't have a leg to stand on. There's no way to copyright a premise or setting. If there were, then we'd (thankfully) have a lot fewer WWII games and movies.



Attached photos:

Photo

Is this post awesome? Vote it up!

0



Post a comment! You can also post a photo below:

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

21 comments | showing # 1 to 21
prev next

Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 05:22
Conrad Zimmerman
As stupid as it would be to throw down in the courts over this issue, it's probably not going to stop them from trying. Classic case of more money than sense. If there's any justice, MKR will be paying exorbitant legal fees, both their own and Capcom's.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 05:23
Maurice Tan
That's retarded and I hope the lawsuit will just fail. It's not okay to pay tribute to a movie in a videogame, but you're allowed to make a Day of the Dead remake/video-sequel of the Dawn of the Dead remake???

Madness.
myaimistrue's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 05:39
myaimistrue
Jesus, you'd think that the disclaimer would suffice...
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 06:40
Cowboy TTop
People are so quick to call the lawyers these days.

Dead Rising was the very reason I purchased a 360, and it clearly takes influence from Romero's Dawn of the Dead film.

There's a big difference between being influenced by something you love (Romero's work) and ripping a work off for your own ends.

I doubt George Romero would bother with this, because if I'm correct, around the same time Capcom shoowed/announce Dead Rising at E3, there was an actually Romero branded zombie game showed or available, which I think may have appeared on PC.

I think George Romero is aware of Resident Evil and Dead Rising, as they are the biggest thing to happen to the zombie genre in many years. He's also aware that some of Capcom's staff, especially Shinji Mikami are fans of his work.

I'd be very surprised if this ever went to court, as thanks to Capcom, zombies are en vogue again, which in turn kickstarted the zombie hollywood films we now enjoy.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 07:40
Snaileb
If this stops productivity of Dead Rising 2, I will flip out.
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 08:01
HarassmentPanda
Great read Necros and I agree with you 100%. I really need to get around to finishing Dead Rising one day.
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 08:02
Hitogoroshi
Snail. That would mean they've started Dead Rising 2.
itemforty's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 08:08
itemforty
Retaaaaaaaaaarded.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 08:44
blehman
Wow. That's........late.
MissHinasaki's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 08:55
MissHinasaki
I had a dream that I was in a mall infested with zombies and cats once. And I met Jack Black there.

I wonder if I'll get sued....
RHWeeeee6's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 09:15
RHWeeeee6
I agree with you Necros, this would be a pretty retarded move by the MKR group. And yeah like Blehman said, if they were going to do this they should have done it when DR was first released. Late and retarded. MKR fails.
Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 09:30
Clockwork
SO lame.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 09:32
MechaMonkey
*checks calendar* A little behind the times, aren't we Capcom? Shouldn't you have done this... oh, I don't know, when the game was released?
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 09:46
Cowboy TTop
New Line have no case, IMO. Dead Rising is also a RE spin off series. RE was clearly influenced by Romero's work, something which both Mikami and Romero know.

Dead Rising has also been out for a few years now. There was another game called George Romero's City of the Dead that was due to be released in March 06 after appearing at E3 05', but the game was canned, when Hip Interactive folded.

What's more interesting is that Dead Rising came out August 06'four months after City of the Dead was due for release. Because MKR Group couldn't get City of the Dead (and potentially earn money from it), they and New Line are now focussing on Dead Rising, ignoring the fact its influenced by Romero's work (something Romero is aware of), like RE before it and not a rip off.

I do think its very possible, that this lawsuit is also being tapped by someone with no knowledge of games. Good research would shut their case down.

Capcom have been dealing with zombies since RE in 96, which predates the 2004 Dawn of the Dead, with other following RE games having multiple settings. Its no surprise that they build on RE with (previous attempt being DMC) and Dead Rising. If there was no disclaimer on the DR box, New Line and MKR would have a case.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 10:17
Bob Muir
@ Cowboy TTop

While I agree that they don't have a case, I don't see how Dead Rising is a spinoff of Resident Evil. Similar to how Dead Rising and Dawn of the Dead only share a setting, all that Dead Rising and Resident Evil share is the inclusion of zombies. While Resident Evil has always focused on survival horror and scaring you, Dead Rising has more of a free-world, playground feel to it, giving you a completely different playing experience. That, and the fact that the nature of the zombies, the portrayal of characters, and a lighter color palette show that Dead Rising is its own entity, separate from its more established zombie brother.
Blisterking's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 10:23
Blisterking
I agree with you Necros. The game does seem to be very similar to the mall scheme by Dawn of the Dead. Yet, Capcom has nothing to worry about. I would go so far as to give you an example of a tv show that I can't get enough of: Law -N- Order. At the beginning of every episode Law and order has their disclaimer which sounds something like this:

"The following story is fictional and does not depict any actual person or event."

Now with that in mind, Law and order has taken the events
and have basically replayed them on their show, for example, The Anna Nicole incident and the Britney Spears incident.

You are probably saying right now: "Wait a minute! But, those are events, not someone else's idea. Yeah, that is true, but keeping in mind the law... as long as that disclaimer is up there is nothing to worry about. They can just go to court and use the word "coincidence" and they'll be out in 10 minutes.

The game is great though. My roomate has been playing it non-sop for the past 2 weeks and lemme tell ya, I can't get enough of it (sarcasm)
Xiofire's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 11:28
Xiofire
Doesnt it say at the start that it has nothing to do with Romeros Dawn Of The Dead, i could have sworn i saw a warning that said that.
Oh well...
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 12:24
Cowboy TTop
Sorry Necros, I should rephrase that.

What I meant was Dead Rising was an experiment for Capcom, to see what else they could do with zombies beyond RE popularity and high sales abroad. And yes. DR is very light hearted compare to RE, which was intended by Kenji Inafune.

I've thought of another problem. Capcom are a japanese company and DR was created outside of the U.S, therefore surely the U.S courts can't legislate on a product created off its shores. They might be able to stop sale of the game in the U.S or get money, but where the idea of the game and its use came about is very jaded territory, more so because Capcom like and admit influence of Romero's work.

The warning on the cover was a very smart move by Capcom, and it may yet save them from this bs suit. Perhaps that old passive (DotD) vs interactive (DR) arguement can also play in Capcom's favour.
bayushi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 13:05
bayushi
dude . Love this game but I could not get past its !@#!@#!@# 1 slot save system and story progression. I could never unlock the 3rd case or ran out of time or some such. I wish there was a completed game save file for this game so I could play in unlimited time mode. anyone? Bueler? Bueler?

xbl gamer tag=Bayushi Slick

thanks!
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 13:55
Samit Sarkar
Everyone in this damn country is so suit-happy. Ugh. Anyway, thanks for a great read as usual, Necros.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/14/2008 16:30
EternalDeathSlayer
Good read as usual. Like you said, this isn't going anywhere. I cannot believe they'd bother to do this. Are they hurting for cash or something?

Off topic: How was Rez HD? All I ever see you playing is Dead Rising. You must really like that game, huh?
prev next

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!