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Do non-original IP's signify a lack of originality? Discuss.
Morrius | 9:29 AM on 08.28.2007 29 comments


Seems a few people missed the joke with regard to the original version of this thread. As such I've copied and pasted Cowzillas excellent argument below, all comment from hereon out is his and his alone:

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Why does an non-original IP siginify a lack of originality. I agree that it many cases this is what occurs when a character is used and abused but not always and especially not with Nintendo. Let's look past Nintendo though at other IPs that get used over and over. Tomb Raider is a great example of an IP that lacked originality in its sequeals, then the latest iteration comes out redefines how the game is played and you've got a non-original IP that is still original.

I would argue that Nintendo does this with all their core franchises, especially Mario, whose games vary so much it they would be counted as completely different if there didn't happen to be a little red plumber in all of them. It's game design that creates originality not who is in it. As has been argued before in some of the other posts, using an IP just helps sales and if Nintendo is designing original games that are fun to play who cares what IP they are under, the orginality is still there.

I would say that Sony and MS also do this with their core franchises too. You aren't rehashing an IP unless you aren't challenging the game that came before it. Let's look at all the "original IPs" out there that are just Grand Theft Auot copy cats. Are those games better simply because they don't have the same characters?

As far as Nintendo no putting out any more original IPs I thin it's been argued they have been, but Pikimin is a great example of an amazing new IP they made. As for coming out on the Wii you have a whole host of original IPs coming out from third parties because they're being forced to design different and new games around the Wii. I'll post a list of these once you respond with "oh yea what original IPs?" but I've got to get back to work.



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JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:50
JACK of No Trades
I like the picture of your girlfriend. Shes cute.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:52
JACK of No Trades
Morrius

lol your trying to hard. You have to be creative to get comments like me, but here is two to help on your way to 25.
WinkingEyeAlcoholSuggestion's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:53
WinkingEyeAlcoholSuggestion
yeah, I'm gonna have to help get this to at least 26
bhive01's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:55
bhive01
And I thought GayBear22 was a troll.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:57
Snaileb
@ JACK : He didn't use periods, and he has shitty grammar. That's what the irony is, he didn't try at all.

Morrius is a valued member of this community which in return alot of people respect his opinion, and vice versa.

You sir, are just a troll.
slorojo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:59
slorojo
@bhive

at least gaybear22 was a funny troll
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 09:59
Morrius
trying to hard what? I suggest we all post photos of ugly animals in the spirit of perversion and animosity.

blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:00
blehman
Punctuation plz
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:00
BluDesign
Some people take to idiocy like a fish takes to water, Morrius. I agree, you're trying too hard.

Groups of sentences and groups of women have a lot in common. They frequently have periods.

@Jack

Don't brag. You're getting comments from multiple people telling you you're wrong. If I were alone in my actions, I'd be trolling, but I'm not.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:03
Cowzilla3
Sweet,
So I'll pos the argument here.

Jack,
Why does an non-original IP siginify a lack of originality. I agree that it many cases this is what occurs when a character is used and abused but not always and especially not with Nintendo. Let's look past Nintendo though at other IPs that get used over and over. Tomb Raider is a great example of an IP that lacked originality in its sequeals, then the latest iteration comes out redefines how the game is played and you've got a non-original IP that is still original.

I would argue that Nintendo does this with all their core franchises, especially Mario, whose games vary so much it they would be counted as completely different if there didn't happen to be a little red plumber in all of them. It's game design that creates originality not who is in it. As has been argued before in some of the other posts, using an IP just helps sales and if Nintendo is designing original games that are fun to play who cares what IP they are under, the orginality is still there.

I would say that Sony and MS also do this with their core franchises too. You aren't rehashing an IP unless you aren't challenging the game that came before it. Let's look at all the "original IPs" out there that are just Grand Theft Auot copy cats. Are those games better simply because they don't have the same characters?

As far as Nintendo no putting out any more original IPs I thin it's been argued they have been, but Pikimin is a great example of an amazing new IP they made. As for coming out on the Wii you have a whole host of original IPs coming out from third parties because they're being forced to design different and new games around the Wii. I'll post a list of these once you respond with "oh yea what original IPs?" but I've got to get back to work.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:05
Cowzilla3
Apolgies for gramatical errors and periods but I'm rushing cause i'm on deadline at my job.
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:08
Morrius
Cowzy - I'll comment on your thoughts when I get home. Time to ride the long bus back from work.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:11
Cowzilla3
Groovy,
thanks for the upgrade. Though now I really wish I had written it better.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:20
JACK of No Trades
Morrius

Im sorry that I offended you. I owe my life to you. My arrogance and grammer is horrible. To do suck a crime against a god like yourself demands punishment. I am a troll, that is a product of his environment. My actions are disgracfull and ignorant. The internet is a place of innocence and I should have known that. Please take this apology with a big fuck you.
slorojo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:23
slorojo
@Cowzilla

You said it perfectly
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:27
Cowzilla3
@Jack,
All kidding and flame wars aside I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the subject of originals IPs and the argumetns I stated. Do you feel that an original IP is better than an original game under and old IP? Do you not think Nintnedo is changing it up enough with their IPs?

@slorojo
Your avatar is fucking hypnotizing. I can't look away.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:41
JACK of No Trades
Cow

I think a new IP is always better. It brings fresh character into the mix and new story. Wouldn't it suck o have Mario in Bioshock? Or Zelda in Oblivion?...Oh nevermind Zelda in Oblivion would be awsome. Anyways, Nintendo is doing good with Mario "platform genre" and Zelda. All the stupid sport knockoffs and minigames really drag Mario into the ground.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:47
Snaileb
I can't comprehend anything JACK is saying. It's like Uwe Boll on the internet...

JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:50
JACK of No Trades
[img]http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2003/09/johnny_cash_finger.jpg[img]
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:51
JACK of No Trades
http://accordionguy.blogware.com/Photos/2003/09/johnny_cash_finger.jpg
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:51
Cowzilla3
Wow Jack, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one here. Mario in Bioshock, it would add a certain twist though. What if you had to decide to whether or not to kill small italian plumbers instead of little sisters?
slorojo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:07
slorojo
@cowzilla

And instead of shooting bees out of your hands, you could shoot flying koopas! Although Bowser does have almost the perfect build for a Big Daddy...
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:40
Cowzilla3
Must...get...post...to 25.
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:46
Morrius
Jack, you're a strange man.

In respect to the new point of this blog post:

Sometimes I think the term original IP can be confused with the concept of originality altogether. Franchises, and to a lesser extent sequels, can still exhibit more originality than a new IP.

I would argue that something like Mario Galaxy, for all the aspects that -have- been done to death, still shows a great flair of originality in the level design concept. The same can be said for many aspects of Resident Evil 4, The great Mario @ Luigi DS rpg, and so on. All of these games offer some aspect of originality, whether it be gameplay, storytelling techniques or similar. For all the unoriginal aspects of these titles, you still get to see and do things you haven't experienced many times before.

On the flipside, you can take an original IP like, lets say, Jade Empire. A good game, no doubt, but aside from the combat, is lacking in striking originality due to how very derivative it is of other games, most notably KOTOR. To further elaborate on my point, KOTOR itself introduced some very original ideas at the time, and yet was an entry into one of the most lucrative franchises on the planet.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:06
Cowzilla3
Well put, Morrius. Wish Jack was still reading this but I think he's been scared off.
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:08
Morrius
Thanks, now I just need to investigate how I managed to type 'Mario @ Luigi' by accident. Strange...
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