You have no idea how jealous I was of my little cousin because he had Sonic Triple Trouble. It was ugly. At least we shared comics back in the day. Man were those Sonic books really good for what they were.
I agree, I'm going to have to push Sonic on to my child and I don't want to hear people complaining about how this game sucks just because Sonic 2 was a pure sonic game in the early 90s.
I agree, I'm going to have to push Sonic on to my child and I don't want to hear people complaining about how this game sucks just because Sonic 2 was a pure sonic game in the early 90s.
3D sonic games are all generally bad but I'll agree that the 2D ones are probably just stale for most reviewers and gamers that have played Sonic games before. I wouldn't say they're that great but they're probably at least as good in the eyes of someone that ever got round to the originals.
What I wonder is what was so great about Sonic 2? It's like Megaman 2 where even if I like it myself it's hyped to the point where it sounds like people never played anything else.
What I wonder is what was so great about Sonic 2? It's like Megaman 2 where even if I like it myself it's hyped to the point where it sounds like people never played anything else.
@GoldenGamerXero: As someone who still plays the Sonic Adventure games and hears about how terrible they are I'm not really gonna be satisfied until I eventually play all the newer Sonic games and see for myself whether they're really terrible or not.
As for Sonic 2 and Mega Man II, it's probably because that is what most people played. People don't just choose their favorite games based on which one is actually the best. People have personal reasons for being more attached to one game than another. A favorite character. A favorite stage. A favorite setting. Most people aren't going to actually care about which one is "the best" if more than one of the games are actually good.
My personal favorite Mega Man game is Mega Man VII. There's even an article about it in my sidebar still. I have a lot of personal reasons why I like it way more than I like Mega Man II. If you weren't exposed to much more than Mega Man II, it's going to naturally be your favorite. If you were exposed to a variety of quality games there's a chance you won't be 100% objective in which one you decide is the "best."
My personal favorite classic Sonic game is probably Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Why? Knuckles is my favorite character and the cartridge lock-on was the most mind blowing thing on the planet back in those days. I don't even like Sonic 3 all that much. I find the stages kind of boring. The fact that attaching it to Sonic and Knuckles gave me the ability to play as Hyper Sonic, Super Knuckles and Turbo Tails on the other hand all of a sudden made Sonic 3 worth a lot more.
As for Sonic 2 and Mega Man II, it's probably because that is what most people played. People don't just choose their favorite games based on which one is actually the best. People have personal reasons for being more attached to one game than another. A favorite character. A favorite stage. A favorite setting. Most people aren't going to actually care about which one is "the best" if more than one of the games are actually good.
My personal favorite Mega Man game is Mega Man VII. There's even an article about it in my sidebar still. I have a lot of personal reasons why I like it way more than I like Mega Man II. If you weren't exposed to much more than Mega Man II, it's going to naturally be your favorite. If you were exposed to a variety of quality games there's a chance you won't be 100% objective in which one you decide is the "best."
My personal favorite classic Sonic game is probably Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Why? Knuckles is my favorite character and the cartridge lock-on was the most mind blowing thing on the planet back in those days. I don't even like Sonic 3 all that much. I find the stages kind of boring. The fact that attaching it to Sonic and Knuckles gave me the ability to play as Hyper Sonic, Super Knuckles and Turbo Tails on the other hand all of a sudden made Sonic 3 worth a lot more.
I can feel the sunshine.
I'm always intrigued by your Sonic- and Megaman-related writing, since I'm not particularly into either, but harbor many of the same feelings you do towards series I've liked for a long time...and not just in terms of "I still like this", but the overall thought and reflection processes are near-identical, despite being directed towards completely different things. World peace could probably be built upon increased understanding and tolerance of each other's childhood nostalgia...after that, everything else is easy.
I'm always intrigued by your Sonic- and Megaman-related writing, since I'm not particularly into either, but harbor many of the same feelings you do towards series I've liked for a long time...and not just in terms of "I still like this", but the overall thought and reflection processes are near-identical, despite being directed towards completely different things. World peace could probably be built upon increased understanding and tolerance of each other's childhood nostalgia...after that, everything else is easy.
I actually really liked the Sonic Adventure games and the 2-D games as a child, but I wasn't allowed to play them because they were deemed "too weird" by my mom. She seemed to have no problem with me playing Super Mario World, though! Kind of weird now that I think of it...
@manasteel88: Triple Trouble was pretty badass. Sonic Chaos was too, actually, but it's kinda hard to beat having both Knuckles and Knack the Weasel as enemies, submarine levels, snowboarding levels, and being able to do cool stuff like skip and run over water. Not the greatest game ever or anything, but as far as handheld platformers go it was one of the holy grails of the era.
I mean, for a long time the best competition was Mario Land 2, which was fun but I never considered it much of a masterpiece even as a child. The Game Gear Sonic games kicked the pants off of the Mario ones. I don't think Mario Land got really badass until Wario showed up. Too bad Wario games never captured the magic for me like the original Wario Land did. Not unless you count Warioware.
@Bullet: Indeed, sir. It makes me a little sad that a lot of gamer types can't understand eachother unless they all think the same way.
@HandsomeBeast: Maybe your Mom knew about the furry culture.
@Tony Ponce: Sonic R is something I admire for taking the racing genre in a different direction, so in that sense I'd say it is some straight up Diddy Kong Racing shit. Diddy Kong Racing is like one of my favorite games ever, though. Sonic R doesn't hold a candle to it.
I mean, for a long time the best competition was Mario Land 2, which was fun but I never considered it much of a masterpiece even as a child. The Game Gear Sonic games kicked the pants off of the Mario ones. I don't think Mario Land got really badass until Wario showed up. Too bad Wario games never captured the magic for me like the original Wario Land did. Not unless you count Warioware.
@Bullet: Indeed, sir. It makes me a little sad that a lot of gamer types can't understand eachother unless they all think the same way.
@HandsomeBeast: Maybe your Mom knew about the furry culture.
@Tony Ponce: Sonic R is something I admire for taking the racing genre in a different direction, so in that sense I'd say it is some straight up Diddy Kong Racing shit. Diddy Kong Racing is like one of my favorite games ever, though. Sonic R doesn't hold a candle to it.
"Everybody Super Sonic Racing!"
I loved Sonic R as a kid. Unfortunately I can't revisit it anymore to see how it holds up, since it doesn't work on my current PC.
I remember you could change the weather conditions on the stages, meaning that if you set it to 'winter/snow' you could take shortcuts by running over the frozen water. I remember something like a 'tag mode' where the goal wasn't to get to the finish but to run away from the character that was 'it'. I remember Amy having to use a car since she wasn't fast enough to keep up with the boys (and even with the car, she still sucked).
Good times.
I loved Sonic R as a kid. Unfortunately I can't revisit it anymore to see how it holds up, since it doesn't work on my current PC.
I remember you could change the weather conditions on the stages, meaning that if you set it to 'winter/snow' you could take shortcuts by running over the frozen water. I remember something like a 'tag mode' where the goal wasn't to get to the finish but to run away from the character that was 'it'. I remember Amy having to use a car since she wasn't fast enough to keep up with the boys (and even with the car, she still sucked).
Good times.
same here. sonic is one thing that i can play again and again. as for sonic r, were in the same boat. i got it in the gems collection game and beat it 100%. the haters need to stop going back in time and start livin in the city so that they can work it out and feel the sunshine while they watch the diamonds in the sky.
I have to admit that I've never really liked Sonic (but then again I have this jumping problem... and jumping at high speed is even more frustrating.) :(
Nicely written though!
Nicely written though!
I'd never even heard about Sonic R, but it sounds kind of intriguing. The only part of Sonic games I really liked were the bonus stages where you collect rings and stuff. If the racing game is anything at all like that, I might actually like it. Your post would really benefit from a screenshot of the actual gameplay amidst the discussion.
@knutaf: I recommend you just hit youtube for videos of the game so that you have a chance to listen to the soundtrack at the same time.
I like Sonic R sort of too. It is a pretty bad game by a lot of standards really, but sometimes I just go back to it because despite all the shit inside of it, I still get some fun out of it from time to time and the whole point of games is to be fun. I think a lot of it has to do with the characters though since as you stated there are some nice ones in there. Super Sonic totally breaks the game though haha, but I guess you DO have to work for him a bit.
On the subject of Sonic CD personally I am a Sonic 3 and Knuckles guy, mainly for Knuckles and the fact that I love the graphics, music, and level design the most out of any of the games. Sonic CD though, while okay, I find to be really stale and the whole time travel thing was cooler in its idea form than it was in its execution. Sure it gave you an incentive to hold up your speed, but there were times where I was traveling through the level and accidentally time traveled into the past/future by mistake. Not to mention that it totally breaks the flow when you do time travel because it plays that little cutscene thing. So when you combine the accidental time travel with something that breaks the flow even further (the cutscene thing) you get a really jarring experience. That's just how I view it anyway, I kind of place CD down below Sonic 1 the more I've played it. It just isn't very fun for me to go back and replay all the time because the time travel mechanic just breaks it for me.
On the subject of Sonic CD personally I am a Sonic 3 and Knuckles guy, mainly for Knuckles and the fact that I love the graphics, music, and level design the most out of any of the games. Sonic CD though, while okay, I find to be really stale and the whole time travel thing was cooler in its idea form than it was in its execution. Sure it gave you an incentive to hold up your speed, but there were times where I was traveling through the level and accidentally time traveled into the past/future by mistake. Not to mention that it totally breaks the flow when you do time travel because it plays that little cutscene thing. So when you combine the accidental time travel with something that breaks the flow even further (the cutscene thing) you get a really jarring experience. That's just how I view it anyway, I kind of place CD down below Sonic 1 the more I've played it. It just isn't very fun for me to go back and replay all the time because the time travel mechanic just breaks it for me.

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