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So, I e-mailed Jack Thompson, and he answered... [Full trasncript added][Still more added.]
MechaMonkey | 12:15 PM on 02.18.2008 94 comments




Yesterday, after seeing all the c-blog hate directed at Jack Thompson, I was impressed by how many of us in the comments of those c-blogs said to cut out the hate. I even saw some positive things written about him, and I sort of have to agree. While he may be on the extreme side of anti-gaming, he started his crusade with noble intentions, and he truly does believe that putting a stop to violent video games will help the world become better and less violent, and we can't deny that it's a worthy ideal. None of us want to hear news of events like the NIU shooting anymore. And if he's grown a litter bitter towards gamers as a group over the years, I think that makes sense too. We'd probably all do the same if millions of people were constantly ridiculing us and making absurdly offensive Photoshops.

So I e-mailed him.

I dug up the address he's using these days (which I will not release) and sent him a somewhat long, respectful e-mail. In this e-mail was a plea to see past the hate that permeated most of his welcome to Destructoid and open up some sort of open discourse between himself and some of our more intelligent, educated, and well-spoken members, as opposed to the "GRAAAGH JACK THOMPSON R TEH SUCX!" crowd. I feel this would be beneficial and educational to both sides, if both sides could keep the discussion civil and actually have a thoughtful debate. No legal threats, no Photoshops, no name-calling. Just the facts.

I had heard that in that past gamers who e-mailed him were not received very well, but the reply I got was not vicious or mean-spirited. He was upset (as usual) about some things written about him, and he seemed wary that any of us would be open to talk civilly. Finally, he suggested we feature him on a podcast.

My thoughts?

"YES. Perfect."

We rag on Fox News for telling only one side of the story, and this would be the perfect opportunity for Destructoid to step above that. To actually feature Jack Thompson, gaming's #1 enemy on a podcast? Unheard of! Not only that, but we might get the opportunity for some real-time debate. I told him I'd try to wrangle up some support for it.

Unfortunately, his reply was that we're all uninformed and ill-mannered, and that we don't care about the NIU killings.

Sorry folks, looks like no Jack Thompson podcast. And sorry for no silly e-mail shenanigans either. I played it straight, and got a straight answer. It went south, but it started alright. Maybe there's hope for the future?

From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

Dear Mr. Thompson,

My name is Bryan, and I am a member of the community of Destructoid.com, where you recently set up an account and commented on a blog post regarding the New York Post's treatment of the Northern Illinois University tragedy. I hope this message finds you well, and that your less-than-warm welcome to our community has not put you off too much. The internet in this day and age has become a powerful quasi-nation all to its own, and some of its citizens often react somewhat poorly and rashly when challenged on their own turf. On their behalf, I would like to apologize.

As a gamer, I do in fact disagree with many elements of your personal crusade. Despite this, I do hold you in great respect. You have chosen a cause that you firmly believe in, one that you have initiated with the highest moral standards in mind, and you have chosen to fight on to reach your goals, despite suffering an intense campaign of attempts at ridicule and embarrassment by your opponents. For this, I cannot help but applaud you. Your conviction and willingness to stick by your guns is rare in this day and age.

In the gaming community, especially here at Destructoid, there are some of us with that same conviction and drive. While we often find ourselves in direct opposition to your agenda, you will find that we agree with you on many points, such as the fact that minors should not be purchasing or playing "M-rated" games, and that events such as the recent shooting Northern Illinois Shooting are tragic and a terrible loss that affects the entire nation. Personally, I will even go so far to say that games such as Manhunt 2 do not need to be made at all, though I cannot say my fellow community members here at Destructoid will agree.

Having said all this, I hope we can find some way to initiate some sort of open dialogue between yourself and some of our more respectful and well-spoken community members and editors now that you have initiated contact with us via the blog comments. Our members hail from countless different demographics with innumerable professional careers and lifestyles. I sincerely believe that this sort of discourse could be extraordinarily enlightening and educational for members of both sides of the debate.

I hope that you can see past the actions and comments of some of our more immature members and see that we aren't all prepubescent, hormonally-enraged young boys, and that you in turn can step up and be respectful of us. I must say, I was disappointed that your entrance into our community was heralded by references to us as "e-tards" and "sociopathic kiddies", though I suppose it may have been somewhat fair considering some of the comments made about you. A man of your moral standards should take the higher ground though. I cannot deny that there are a fair number of folks here that I wouldn't hesitate to assign the designation of e-tard, but the most prominent among us are educated and open to civil, intelligent discussion of the key issues.

If you receive this, I would be grateful to hear your response. I have heard that in the past you have often replied with some measure of scorn when contacted by gamers like myself, but my only goal is to aid in creating an environment of open discourse, something I know a man of your intelligence and background can appreciate. I will of course keep your contact information and communications discreet, should you so desire, as I know you have had difficulties with such issues in the past. Thank you so much for your time.

Best regards,

MechaMonkey


P.S. - I will be attending Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School this coming fall. Any tips for a first-year law student? (Aside from not playing video games, which I imagine I won't have much time for anyway.)

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

I think you all should have a podcast with me so I can say what I really believe about these issues, not what some gamers want to say that I believe.

Jack Thompson, Attorney

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

The below is not by some random gamer at your site. It's by a guy running it. You can't expect me to take you all seriously:


Crack-a-Jack Thompson has been out in full force since the NIU shooting, going so far as to send tips to Destructoid and even join its community. It's very clear that the murders of youngsters excite him, as he grows steadily more active and wild in their wake, especially as he gets to complain about what he deems "murder simulators." In fact, in the comments for yesterday's post, that's the exact term Jackpot used:

"We need to get you sociopathics kiddies off these murder simulators and back to doing your homework."

Of course, this begs the question: Do any of we "sociopathics kiddies" actually play murder simulators? What exactly are murder simulators, and is Grand Theft Auto, BioShock or any other videogame worthy of such a label? Don't ask me, try asking simulator expert Robert Gauss. Gauss has worked with simulators for the US Army and knows a fair bit more about them than some defense attorney who's close to getting disbarred. This is what he had to say:

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

Like I said, I can't speak for everyone. You've ruffled a lot of feathers in your day, and unfortunately some of those feathers have stayed ruffled. I'm sorry for that. I have personally spoken to other folks though who are interested in putting down the slings and arrows and trying to do this in a more civilized manner. As for a podcast, I think it's a great idea. We often call out Fox News for not allowing both sides to have their say, and I think it's an excellent chance for Destructoid to take another road. Of course, that decision is ultimately up to the editors.

Whatever the case ends up being, I wish you the best in your work, and hope that one day the millions of more level-headed Americans on both sides of this issue can find some common ground and make positive change in the video game industry. Thank you again for your quick reply, and I'll see what sort of support I can round up for a podcast.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Please don't lecture me about ruffling feathers. Gamers are ill-mannered and uninformed, and they prove it everyday. They couldn't care less about the people killed.

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

I'm sorry to hear that you think that about all of us. I'm currently involved in setting up a memorial service for the victims and their families at the university I attend.

I can see you're not interested, so I apologize for bothering you. Again Mr. Thompson, best of luck in the future, and God Bless.

-----------------------------------------

From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Why would you have a memorial at your university? do you go to niu?

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

No, but just in support. Just as your efforts are in support. And I admire that you are working to prevent such events in the future, which is why I do respect what you do. I may not agree with all of it, but I can certainly respect it.

-----------------------------------------

From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Why don't you do something to stop these tragedies instead of making yourself feel better?

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

I've worked directly with students suffering from psychological problems, including those committing suicide, both as a Resident Assistant and as part of a peer counseling group. I may not have your nationwide resources or expertise, but I'm doing what I can in the way I feel best. Though you are correct, more people do need to be acting instead of talking.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

You don't have a memorial on another campus about something like this. that is designed to make you feel better about yourself and not help others.

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

A God-fearing man such as yourself should have no problem with people getting together and praying for the victims and their families. If you think prayer doesn't help, then we're getting into theological debate, and that's not a realm I'm keen on arguing about. Again, thank you for your time in responding, and I sincerely appreciate that you are trying to help me see that my actions aren't enough to initiate positive change.

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I feel sorry for him. I really do. A man of his conviction and drive could be doing great things. His talent is being squandered by his bitterness and refusal to see individuals as opposed to gamers as a whole.



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JonDarkwood's Destructoid Blog
This guy is about as unprofessional as he can be. It's no wonder nobody has an ounce of respect for him, with the way he acts. He's a little child with a law degree.
Tino's Destructoid Blog
Dude...

Jack Thompson's a dick. This proves it.

I really wasn't going to resort to name calling but I guess you have to work on a level playing field.
007's Destructoid Blog
...Wow, he's such an asshole. I mean, I've met some pretty dickish people in my life, but he definitely takes the cake (I think that's how you say it).

Nice try though.
JohnnyWadd's Destructoid Blog
Intelligent sincere olive branch...not taken.
Cheeburga's Destructoid Blog
My god. You try to have a rational discussion with people, and he can't even take you seriously.
What is wrong with that man? He is seriously a bastard.
BluFire's Destructoid Blog
I honestly don't know what to say.
007's Destructoid Blog
Hey, is there anyway I can still see Jack's blog on Dtoid?
Luigi takes over's Destructoid Blog
If it's one thing Jack Thompson has proven is that you cannot talk rationally to him. He has a psychic barrier that causes most logic and reason to wash off of him. Leaving just his paranoid scare tactic pseudo-logic.

If Jack Thompson was a magic card, his ability would be
"Protection from logic."

He's the worst kind of troll and we as a community can do ourselves a great service by ignoring him.
Justice's Destructoid Blog
Wow what a dunce.
Loki Power's Destructoid Blog
Wow , I used to have a few shreds of respect for him although he is misinformed loud and homophobic, and above all an attention whore.
I used to think before he actually believed in the things he was fighting for even if they were misinformed, but this proves he wants nothing more than attention.
Tragic Hero's Destructoid Blog
Why are we wasting time with this clown? Its like calling in Mike Tyson to discuss Science vs Christian Science, nothing is really going to get resolved or answered.
DynamicSheep's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, this pretty much just shows that this guy is a huge close minded jack off and as such he shouldn't be treated with any amount of respect. Way to dig your own grave Jacky boy...
angusm's Destructoid Blog
He may have drive and conviction and good intentions, but alot of really terrible people were the same way.
It's not enough to redeem him in my eyes.
Enforcing the ESRB ratings at retail stores is a noble goal, but he's going about it all wrong. How does he expect to gain any manner of respect from the gamer community which he initially attacked, without provocation.
He's too busy looking for evidence to fit a theory.
Instead of a theory that fits the evidence.
Origim's Destructoid Blog
Awesome job Mecha, I always figured he wouldnt be brazen enough to debate in a netural or non protected enviroment. I applaud you for attemtping to engage him rationally.
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Destructoid Blog
I think my jaw may be staying like this.

I read that copypasta in depth and I am appalled. Do you hear that, Mr. Thompson? I am fucking appalled. What sense can you possibly hope to make in the national limelight, if you have no interest in abandoning your prejudices when in one-on-one discourse with somebody who has already conceded their own? You sicken me.

MechaMonkey, I could see that some of the ground you gave away there was forced, and props to you for your unrequited sacrifice.
Sharpless's Destructoid Blog
The man can be reasonable. I've seen it. It's been brief, but it's happened.

However, of late, he's been more and more ludicrous. He is completely blind, unable to see that not all gamers are idiots. It's insulting that he cannot see people like me or you, Mecha, (and others) who try to engage in intelligent discussion. We THINK! We have BRAINS! Just because we don't agree with you, it doesn't mean we're idiots!

And now, making asinine, unChristian statements about how you shouldn't hold memorials for these victims that he claims to care so much about... He's full of shit. He, of all people, should support that gesture. But no, you should be rallying against entertainment software instead, apparently.

Normally, he just frustrates me. Now, he's making me angry. He's over the line.
Robert Janelle's Destructoid Blog
I found the last few e-mails most disturbing, where he's criticizing MechaMonkey for organizing a memorial service. Does this mean everyone outside of New York/Washington or even the entire United States was doing something wrong when attended 9/11 memorials?

It...really doesn't show much compassion.
3r0t1c n3rd's Destructoid Blog
Funny, how signs with "Jack Thompson, Attorney" as if he needs to remind everyone what he is.

Also, the fact that he doesn't understand why someone whould set up a memorial service, even if they are not directly related to the tragedy is just sad.
DannyBoy's Destructoid Blog
Well, nice try, man. But this is really par for the course for a man who invites people to train on suicide simulators and get real good at it.

As an aside, I'm a third-year law student at St. John's, and the best advice I have for you is GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!

Kinda joking. Just be prepared for lots and lots and lots of reading, and you'll be more or less fine.
viralhunter's Destructoid Blog
I'm flying out to Albany, back home, for spring break.
I seriously want to shake your hand when I get back.
DannyBoy's Destructoid Blog
Also, just saw your profile on the side, and FUCK YEAH UALBANY!
Eschatos's Destructoid Blog
What a shame.
michiyoyoshiku's Destructoid Blog
Yes, he really is the white Kanye West
FinalFist's Destructoid Blog
Yeah, he's got an ax to grind. He doesn't care about mutual or rational discussion.
TheToiletDuck's Destructoid Blog
I really appreciate you posting this Mechamonkey. It's hard to get a grasp on whether someone like this really deserves the hate he gets (in the sense that the stories i read about him are from here and therefore pretty biased towards hating the guy). What i see now is that as much as Jack's intentions are good he uses them to become a media parasite, a complete douche with some sort of hate boner for all gamers.

Ahh, what i'm saying is thanks for giving this guy a chance. Now i feel justified in thinking he is an ass.
B-Radicate's Destructoid Blog
Good effort. He's still my friend here on Dtoid. That should count for something, right? Haha.

But honestly, I really wish he'd talk with us in a more professional manner. A podcast would be perfect. If he really had arguments that could withstand a real debate with people who knew what they were talking about, I don't think he'd stand much of a chance and he knows this. That is why he won't do it. He's not actually that dumb.
Puppy Licks's Destructoid Blog
Kudos for making such a great effort.
Jack thompson may not be a bad person, but he sure is rude.
MissHinasaki's Destructoid Blog
I was really surprised by this. We're always known for being so immature when defending our opinions. I wish we could show this to someone just to show that we aren't the only ones who are being immature about the whole situation.

You approached him in a very civilized manor, Mecha. I greatly respect you for that. It really is amazing to see how his blind hatred towards us affects his rational thinking. Not that he really has any...

I was greatly offended and disturbed. Especially by the name calling and the accusations of not caring about the deceased.
Samit Sarkar's Destructoid Blog
Thanks for actually taking the time to do this, MechaMonkey. The responses you got were pathetic, if not downright insulting, but I wouldn’t have expected much better from Mr. Thompson. I can’t believe that he would try to turn your involvement in memorial services and counseling into an attack on your personality, and say that you’re just in it for yourself. That is just disgusting.
WDot's Destructoid Blog
You know, maybe getting into a debate with Mr. Thompson here just isn't worth it. He seems to be more interested in the attention than the topic, and that's probably why he chases all these ambulances anyway. He may at one time have truly cared about protecting minors from violent video game content, but I have to call his current concern into question.

Think about it. Will Jack Thompson truly change the world? No. He's not going to get any laws passed, especially since there's a mess of precedents that prove banning video game sales to minors is unconstitutional. I think the only reason he keeps doing this is because sites like GamePolitics, Destructoid, and Kotaku keep promoting him. Are there serious "villains" for lack of a better word that could do damage to Internet and game culture? Sure. Mr. Thompson isn't one of them. He just does this for the lulz.
TheToiletDuck's Destructoid Blog
I think Jack should get back to emailing gay porn to court judges.
DanMazkin's Destructoid Blog
Wow, I honestly didn't think his responses would be so childish and spitefull with every response. Aren't lawyers meant to be professionals?
Murumasa123's Destructoid Blog
You Sir are a Saint.
Well not a saint but a reasonable guy with a concience.
Keep up your rational debate with the opposition and doing your charity work. Also best of Luck in Uni.
And just give up on Thompson, we cant do anything bout Fox or him. We can't even shoot up his house cos weve all played a game once in our lives and its not just becuase hes a Cunt that wed do it.
Kaos Angel's Destructoid Blog
I know I'm a bit late... but I applaud you for your efforts. Many people in this site flame Jack Thompson for the fact that he hates gamers. The fact that we hate him for hating gamers doesn't make us any different from him. Sure, he might crudely insult us gamers, but when we insult him back, we're just adding gas to the fire. We're just proving that all his assumptions might be true. Through time I've learned to admire his determination... but I still hate the fact that he won't give us a chance. Oh well, that's life.
HawtPawkitHero's Destructoid Blog
------------------------------------------

From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

U guyz are tootal fagz. L2Care 'bout violence and mayk chaynge happin.
Xenophilius's Destructoid Blog
Well he is quite rude.
Im OK's Destructoid Blog
Jack Thompson is, quite simply, being Jack Thompson here. That's all. Nothing new.
HarassmentPanda's Destructoid Blog
I would like to know what we, as gamers, need to do to become informed and well mannered. I've read research on both sides of the argument, I've followed the legislation, I've read the case law, and I've spent several years studying the Constitution, but somehow I'm still uninformed. As far as being well mannered, I've had several years of formal etiquette schooling and I like think I was raised well, but, alas, I do not meet Mr. Thompson's lofty standards.
Fading Star's Destructoid Blog
Thanks for trying, MechaMonkey. A podcast would have been nice.
Samson's Destructoid Blog
Thank you for trying. Perhaps it is just a lost cause at this point, but none the less, good job. You're my hero.
Noah's Destructoid Blog
I don't see a difference between a comment like,

"Gamers are ill-mannered and uninformed, and they prove it everyday. They couldn't care less about the people killed."

...and

"It's very clear that the murders of youngsters excite him, as he grows steadily more active and wild in their wake, especially as he gets to complain about what he deems "murder simulators."

We never even invited him to do a podcast, and we're all assuming and ranting about how he would or wouldn't actually do it...when he just proposed the idea. How do we expect him to trust us and our motives when we don't trust him.

Mecha, do you honestly 'respect' him, sincerely, or was that added in the e-mails to make you appear 'innocent'... before you would inevitably posted his private e-mails on another "Jack Thompson's bad" post?
I'm not questing Mecha's motives as much as I'm playing the Devil's advocate....I'm pretty sure J. Thompson wasn't surprised to see his e-mails up on D-Toid is all.
MechaMonkey's Destructoid Blog
Noah: I offered the opportunity to keep it discreet. He didn't say he wished to, which I took to mean he didn't care. I wasn't just e-mailing him to get a "rag on Jack Thompson" post out of him.

As for respect, I do respect what he originally stood for. He sincerely believed that violent games were harming society, and he took it upon himself to make what he saw as a positive change, and he stuck to his guns despite constant ridicule. I think his tenaciousness, at the very least, is something we can all respect. Unfortunately along the way, he seems as if he's lost touch with his original values and now sees flaming gaming sites as a proactive solution.

I can absolutely see why he wouldn't want to do a Podcast here. But the problem is that he doesn't see why he should.

If anyone really wants to discuss it further, just shoot me a PM. I can assure you my motives were completely honest though. Even posting the e-mails I wasn't thinking of ridiculing him. I feel it was more of a forlorn lament, for something great that could have been.
Schmo0zle's Destructoid Blog
What a moron. A man who went to undergrad, then to grad school (FOR LAW, no less!)should be smart enough to not resort to ad hominem attacks. Such attacks would get your balls cut off by the judge if it were in the court room.

Just goes to show...They give degrees to anyone for anything these days.


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