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12:15 PM on 02.18.2008

So, I e-mailed Jack Thompson, and he answered... [Full trasncript added][Still more added.]
MechaMonkey 94 comments




Yesterday, after seeing all the c-blog hate directed at Jack Thompson, I was impressed by how many of us in the comments of those c-blogs said to cut out the hate. I even saw some positive things written about him, and I sort of have to agree. While he may be on the extreme side of anti-gaming, he started his crusade with noble intentions, and he truly does believe that putting a stop to violent video games will help the world become better and less violent, and we can't deny that it's a worthy ideal. None of us want to hear news of events like the NIU shooting anymore. And if he's grown a litter bitter towards gamers as a group over the years, I think that makes sense too. We'd probably all do the same if millions of people were constantly ridiculing us and making absurdly offensive Photoshops.

So I e-mailed him.

I dug up the address he's using these days (which I will not release) and sent him a somewhat long, respectful e-mail. In this e-mail was a plea to see past the hate that permeated most of his welcome to Destructoid and open up some sort of open discourse between himself and some of our more intelligent, educated, and well-spoken members, as opposed to the "GRAAAGH JACK THOMPSON R TEH SUCX!" crowd. I feel this would be beneficial and educational to both sides, if both sides could keep the discussion civil and actually have a thoughtful debate. No legal threats, no Photoshops, no name-calling. Just the facts.

I had heard that in that past gamers who e-mailed him were not received very well, but the reply I got was not vicious or mean-spirited. He was upset (as usual) about some things written about him, and he seemed wary that any of us would be open to talk civilly. Finally, he suggested we feature him on a podcast.

My thoughts?

"YES. Perfect."

We rag on Fox News for telling only one side of the story, and this would be the perfect opportunity for Destructoid to step above that. To actually feature Jack Thompson, gaming's #1 enemy on a podcast? Unheard of! Not only that, but we might get the opportunity for some real-time debate. I told him I'd try to wrangle up some support for it.

Unfortunately, his reply was that we're all uninformed and ill-mannered, and that we don't care about the NIU killings.

Sorry folks, looks like no Jack Thompson podcast. And sorry for no silly e-mail shenanigans either. I played it straight, and got a straight answer. It went south, but it started alright. Maybe there's hope for the future?

From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

Dear Mr. Thompson,

My name is Bryan, and I am a member of the community of Destructoid.com, where you recently set up an account and commented on a blog post regarding the New York Post's treatment of the Northern Illinois University tragedy. I hope this message finds you well, and that your less-than-warm welcome to our community has not put you off too much. The internet in this day and age has become a powerful quasi-nation all to its own, and some of its citizens often react somewhat poorly and rashly when challenged on their own turf. On their behalf, I would like to apologize.

As a gamer, I do in fact disagree with many elements of your personal crusade. Despite this, I do hold you in great respect. You have chosen a cause that you firmly believe in, one that you have initiated with the highest moral standards in mind, and you have chosen to fight on to reach your goals, despite suffering an intense campaign of attempts at ridicule and embarrassment by your opponents. For this, I cannot help but applaud you. Your conviction and willingness to stick by your guns is rare in this day and age.

In the gaming community, especially here at Destructoid, there are some of us with that same conviction and drive. While we often find ourselves in direct opposition to your agenda, you will find that we agree with you on many points, such as the fact that minors should not be purchasing or playing "M-rated" games, and that events such as the recent shooting Northern Illinois Shooting are tragic and a terrible loss that affects the entire nation. Personally, I will even go so far to say that games such as Manhunt 2 do not need to be made at all, though I cannot say my fellow community members here at Destructoid will agree.

Having said all this, I hope we can find some way to initiate some sort of open dialogue between yourself and some of our more respectful and well-spoken community members and editors now that you have initiated contact with us via the blog comments. Our members hail from countless different demographics with innumerable professional careers and lifestyles. I sincerely believe that this sort of discourse could be extraordinarily enlightening and educational for members of both sides of the debate.

I hope that you can see past the actions and comments of some of our more immature members and see that we aren't all prepubescent, hormonally-enraged young boys, and that you in turn can step up and be respectful of us. I must say, I was disappointed that your entrance into our community was heralded by references to us as "e-tards" and "sociopathic kiddies", though I suppose it may have been somewhat fair considering some of the comments made about you. A man of your moral standards should take the higher ground though. I cannot deny that there are a fair number of folks here that I wouldn't hesitate to assign the designation of e-tard, but the most prominent among us are educated and open to civil, intelligent discussion of the key issues.

If you receive this, I would be grateful to hear your response. I have heard that in the past you have often replied with some measure of scorn when contacted by gamers like myself, but my only goal is to aid in creating an environment of open discourse, something I know a man of your intelligence and background can appreciate. I will of course keep your contact information and communications discreet, should you so desire, as I know you have had difficulties with such issues in the past. Thank you so much for your time.

Best regards,

MechaMonkey


P.S. - I will be attending Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School this coming fall. Any tips for a first-year law student? (Aside from not playing video games, which I imagine I won't have much time for anyway.)

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

I think you all should have a podcast with me so I can say what I really believe about these issues, not what some gamers want to say that I believe.

Jack Thompson, Attorney

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

The below is not by some random gamer at your site. It's by a guy running it. You can't expect me to take you all seriously:


Crack-a-Jack Thompson has been out in full force since the NIU shooting, going so far as to send tips to Destructoid and even join its community. It's very clear that the murders of youngsters excite him, as he grows steadily more active and wild in their wake, especially as he gets to complain about what he deems "murder simulators." In fact, in the comments for yesterday's post, that's the exact term Jackpot used:

"We need to get you sociopathics kiddies off these murder simulators and back to doing your homework."

Of course, this begs the question: Do any of we "sociopathics kiddies" actually play murder simulators? What exactly are murder simulators, and is Grand Theft Auto, BioShock or any other videogame worthy of such a label? Don't ask me, try asking simulator expert Robert Gauss. Gauss has worked with simulators for the US Army and knows a fair bit more about them than some defense attorney who's close to getting disbarred. This is what he had to say:

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

Like I said, I can't speak for everyone. You've ruffled a lot of feathers in your day, and unfortunately some of those feathers have stayed ruffled. I'm sorry for that. I have personally spoken to other folks though who are interested in putting down the slings and arrows and trying to do this in a more civilized manner. As for a podcast, I think it's a great idea. We often call out Fox News for not allowing both sides to have their say, and I think it's an excellent chance for Destructoid to take another road. Of course, that decision is ultimately up to the editors.

Whatever the case ends up being, I wish you the best in your work, and hope that one day the millions of more level-headed Americans on both sides of this issue can find some common ground and make positive change in the video game industry. Thank you again for your quick reply, and I'll see what sort of support I can round up for a podcast.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Please don't lecture me about ruffling feathers. Gamers are ill-mannered and uninformed, and they prove it everyday. They couldn't care less about the people killed.

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

I'm sorry to hear that you think that about all of us. I'm currently involved in setting up a memorial service for the victims and their families at the university I attend.

I can see you're not interested, so I apologize for bothering you. Again Mr. Thompson, best of luck in the future, and God Bless.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Why would you have a memorial at your university? do you go to niu?

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

No, but just in support. Just as your efforts are in support. And I admire that you are working to prevent such events in the future, which is why I do respect what you do. I may not agree with all of it, but I can certainly respect it.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

Why don't you do something to stop these tragedies instead of making yourself feel better?

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

I've worked directly with students suffering from psychological problems, including those committing suicide, both as a Resident Assistant and as part of a peer counseling group. I may not have your nationwide resources or expertise, but I'm doing what I can in the way I feel best. Though you are correct, more people do need to be acting instead of talking.

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From: Jack Thompson
To: MechaMonkey

You don't have a memorial on another campus about something like this. that is designed to make you feel better about yourself and not help others.

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From: MechaMonkey
To: Jack Thompson

A God-fearing man such as yourself should have no problem with people getting together and praying for the victims and their families. If you think prayer doesn't help, then we're getting into theological debate, and that's not a realm I'm keen on arguing about. Again, thank you for your time in responding, and I sincerely appreciate that you are trying to help me see that my actions aren't enough to initiate positive change.

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I feel sorry for him. I really do. A man of his conviction and drive could be doing great things. His talent is being squandered by his bitterness and refusal to see individuals as opposed to gamers as a whole.

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weedgan's Destructoid Blog
I just don't respect him for his attacks on game developers. Rockstar makes GOOD games, and all he sees in it is violence, which is BS.
Jim Sterling's Destructoid Blog
The man is a court jester. He has no interest in rational discussion. I admire your efforts, though.
wardrox's Destructoid Blog
Can you copy/pasta the emails?
Sadie G's Destructoid Blog
Post up the emails or at least post a picture of them.
You have to offer some kind of proof for something like this.
BigPopaGamer's Destructoid Blog
I second wardrox. I would be interested in just seeing what he says.
MechaMonkey's Destructoid Blog
Incoming. Give me a few minutes.
RHWeeeee6's Destructoid Blog
You have my respect for actually trying to have a civil conversation with this man.
Jonathan Kerr's Destructoid Blog
I would've loved to hear him on the Podcastle.
blehman's Destructoid Blog
Wow. I picture him returning his mail like Ringo in the simpsons.
wardrox's Destructoid Blog
JT + Podcastle!!!!!!!!!! NAOW!
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
I would love to see him on the Destructoid podcast or the 1Up Yours podcast. Especially since 1Up Yours has the intelligent and wise Shawn Elliot.

I don't care if he is a clown. I just want to see him get his ass torn up in a discussion that isn't 2 minutes long and hosted by Fox.

I want it! Somebody make it happen.
CaffeinePowered's Destructoid Blog
Post emails please, unless they said somewhere in them you weren't allowed to...
Sadie G's Destructoid Blog
@vexed

and that's why he probably won't do it. He's going to go in on the defense because he knows so many gamers dislike him already for his past mistakes. He's like the Uwe Boll of law. People hate him despite any of his efforts.
Snaileb 's Destructoid Blog
Such bullshit. Nice try though, Mecha.
electristan's Destructoid Blog
It was a good try but it seems to be that he only goes on shows that ask soft questions and let him say the same thing he always says. I've always wanted to ask him if he has any statistics on the amount of gun violence caused by people not playing games, i'm pretty sure there are a lot more.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Destructoid Blog
lol Bryan.

And he was quite thick-headed responding to you.
commish's Destructoid Blog
Good work and nice try.
Snaileb 's Destructoid Blog
Such bullshit that he called us names, and nice try on getting him on the podcast.

After seeing the emails..
"Please don't lecture me about ruffling feathers. Gamers are ill-mannered and uninformed, and they prove it everyday. They couldn't care less about the people killed."

...really pissed me off.
BigPopaGamer's Destructoid Blog
Sucks he wants to be this way man. Would have loved to see a civilized discussion with him. Much respect to Mecha for staying civilized, even when Mr. Thompson decided to just start slinging mud. Oh well, on with the hate!
Sadie G's Destructoid Blog
he's never going to see eye to eye with gamers just like we are never going to see eye to eye with him. Everyone is too defensive which is CLEARLY evident in his first response to you.
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
@ Sadie G

But he said he wanted to. I also just want to hear what this person is really trying to accomplish. If it is just him thinking he's saving the world or if he's just trying to get that attention.

I want to see a good hour-long podcast with Jack Thompson. No talking over people or any of that because you're pressed for time, but just full on discussion.
Jim Sterling's Destructoid Blog
The fact he "wanted" to appear on a Podcastle shows he's in it for the attention. Not that he has the stones to discuss his views on anywhere other than a protected ground like Fox.
Jim Sterling's Destructoid Blog
*Podcast

Sorry, it's just so easy to add "le" on the end these days.
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
That guy. Even when you're being nice and trying to go into an adult level of conversation he acts like he's five.

And we're the "ill-mannered" ones? His hypocrisy angers me.
Sadie G's Destructoid Blog
@Jim

I agree. I really think he'd be incapable of being rational.
MechaMonkey's Destructoid Blog
This is what I'm talking about. It's obvious we all want to do this the right way, but he throws away a golden opportunity to do so.

It's a crying shame.
Clockwork's Destructoid Blog
This guy seems to be uninformed about what we REALLY know. To go as far as saying we "couldn't care less about the people killed" is really fucked up.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a civilized sit-down with him and have a long talk about his views of video games and now, what he thinks of gamers.

And I didn't know he made an account here and that he commented on a blog, link me please?
Sadie G's Destructoid Blog
I wonder now if he will use this community as part of his tirades. Like in future interviews will he use us as scapegoats. :/
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
Ay, Jim. You're crushing me, man. I just want to see it, OK? So long have I seen these stupid and pointless discussions on the news where it's either completely one-sided or no one gets to say anything worthwhile.
vexed alex's Destructoid Blog
Aciesethon's Destructoid Blog
It was a commendable effort.

I would have liked to see him respond to the comments by Robert Gauss with something other than ad hominem toward's Jim's reporting of it but ultimately he appears only capable of proving himself the very person he despises so much.

Kudos for organising a memorial.
mix's Destructoid Blog
Great efforts on your part dude!

I agree with Clockwork (orange!?) MechaMonkey wrote great stuff and Jack's replies dwindled and turned ugly, it would be awesome if an actual gamer sat down and had a conversation with this man.

How can you NOT feel sick when you hear of some retard shooting innocent people? Either seek help or hang yourself and leave the innocent people out of it.
Knives's Destructoid Blog
Sucks that JT has such a stereotyped and close minded view. He probably won't debate anyone in a open minded fashion if the guy isn't around his age and with enough "recognitions" to be somewhat respected by him.
Cowzilla3's Destructoid Blog
It's like one moment he's thinking straight and tehn he just jumps into a pool of his own stereotypes. REally weird.
covah's Destructoid Blog
"Gamers are ill-mannered and uninformed, and they prove it everyday. They couldn't care less about the people killed."

Wow, what a dick. You were beyond respectful and you get that little zinger of a response. I was planning on doing something along the lines of your email to him, but now I'm glad that I didn't waste my time.

I'm an avid gamer and I have about half of my friends going to Vtech. I can't believe he's going to say that just because I play video games that I wasn't scared shitless for the lives of my friends that day. Then along with all the news outlets exploiting the tragedy, I saw JT on Fox (I'm pretty sure) saying that the kid played violent video games and thats what allowed him to do it, when there was litterly no evidence of this. Him saying that just was like throwing salt on a wound, and I took it all very personally.

The same goes for the DC Snipers a few years back. I wasn't allowed to leave my house for weeks. And after the two were caught, JT is saying that the kid trained on Halo? Did he conveniently forget the fact that the guy who brainwashed him was a military sniper? Another personal kick to my balls.

The fact is with this most recent shooting, he got fucking lucky. They just found out who the actual person was who commited the shooting, Jacks blaming video games, then they find out he actually did play counter strike. Luck. But I'm sure Jack disregards everything else including the guy hadn't been taking his medicine.

God damn it this man pisses me off.
power-glove's Destructoid Blog
Good effort on your part for trying to have an intelligent discussion with him. Too bad he would not listen to a word that you said. I agree with Knives completely. He likes to get on the air unopposed so that he can speak without an honest debate.
Surf314's Destructoid Blog
Blah, I am one of the people that would like to have a decent intellectual conversation with him. I actually agree with some of his points. I don't think kids should be playing violent video games. In fact nothing creeped me out more than when I was going through the gamefaqs message board and saw a post of a guy talking about his 8 year old cousing playing No More Heroes. When people asked him the obvious "dude WTF" he said that these kids watch all kinds of violent anime, play violent games and curse like sailors and their parents are OK with that. I have to admit seeing these kids on the news did cross my mind. But being confrontational and unreasonable doesn't help your cause, which is a shame because if he stopped I think he could easily form a coalition between gamers and other interested parties to make some real headway into these issues. I mean just look at what the PA crew accomplish with child's play.
GuitarAtomik's Destructoid Blog
Good try man. You did your best, but you can see his descent into madness as it goes on.

One thing I've noticed about JT is that in person, he tricks people with this nice calm exterior, but when you get him to write in anyway (e-mail, blog, forums) you see what kind of person he really is. This is the method to his madness.
MePlayGames's Destructoid Blog
It was a valiant effort but JT is far to bias to ever commit to doing something that might alter his views.
Clockwork's Destructoid Blog
Thanks Alex.

I won't believe a word that comes out of Thompson's mouth until I see a study showing that video game developers are creating these "massacre simulators" in order to warp the minds of children into killing people as opposed to making [in my opinion] one of the greatest forms of entertainment available today.
Snaileb 's Destructoid Blog
Is he... trolling you... with emails? About you making yourself feel better about dying students?

WTF.
Anus Mcphanus's Destructoid Blog
After all the hate JT has received it's not really a surprise that even when someone tries to reason with him he turns into a real knob-jock, he probably thinks you're just taking the piss.

I find it strange though how someone who's being so closed minded can spearhead such a complicated issue as anti-videogame violence and censorship. I guess it just proves that he's hopping on the public opinion bandwagon rather than helping for the greater good...

and he suggested the podcast and then slammed the idea and us gamers without provocation....what a cunt he's no better than the BNP
liam2015's Destructoid Blog
No. I don't want to hear anyhting that comes out of this bastards mouth anymore. He's unprofessional and acts like a child when faced with questions he's not prepared to answer. Like George Bush.

Nice try though.
WDot's Destructoid Blog
Nice try. You were a lot more civil than I think many of us (myself included) would have been.

That said, he HAS appeared on a gaming podcast (Chatterbox) before so I don't know why he wouldn't now.
Necros's Destructoid Blog
You're never going to hear the end of this from him.
dvddesign 's Destructoid Blog
Don't give him the time of day with a podcast. He's been interviewed before PLENTY of times on both TV and radio, his schtick never changes and the second he gets challenged on anything he turns belligerent and loud.

I've heard him interviewed plenty of times on non-national news media, and one host actually went so far as to hang up on Thompson three times because Thompson kept avoiding the questions he was being asked so he could grand stand.

The host even went so far as to answer the radio station manager's phone and hang up on him there as well when Thompson called to complain about being "censored".
king3vbo's Destructoid Blog
You cant get him to admit he is wrong. He has found a way to make money (getting his name out and hawking books, and being a lawyer for anti-video game lawsuits) so hes gonna stick with it
GrayFox's Destructoid Blog
Yeah those are a pretty insulting series of emails. You were being very nice and reasonable and he was just plain nasty. Seems like a pretty cool guy...
UglyPhil 's Destructoid Blog
Thanks Mecha Monkey. This made me happy to read.
JonDarkwood's Destructoid Blog
Jack Thompson thinks taking some time to remember the people killed is what? A waste of time? Selfish? Designed to make us feel better? This man is more of a pretentious, assumptuous, self-righteous douche than I thought. Good grief.


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