That must be Japanese Bluray discs.

American Bluray discs are so much better. An asian guy told me so.

I think either Kojima is exaggerating or there was some translation error or something. I don't see how MGS4 could be 50 gigs worth of content and this would be the first we would hear of it.

What the fuck is this game that it needs over 50 GB? GTA IV is a huge city with an ass load of citizen A.I., traffic A.I., interior buildings, radio shows, music, and an ass ton of dialogue yet it manges to stay on one DVD disc. 50 GB sounds insane.

I swear, this game better be hyper epic. Hyper.

If it was fifty gigs of content, Konami executives would be on air complaining of GBH on the job.

Can't do load times...people will complain.

EPIC win

Didn't Insomniac boast that resistance took 22gigs when they released it?

"he complains that certain elements of MGS4 had to be compressed"

So they compressed some of the audio so that the rest of the uncompressed audio could fit onto the disk?

I honestly don't see any way a game could take up an entire 50GB unless it's full of a ton of uncompressed assets.

If Crysis only takes up 7GB, Unreal Tournament 3 8GB, Gears of War 9GB, Call of Duty 4 6GB, etc., etc. I don't think it's possible to properly compress a game and still have it take up 50GB.

A lot of it is going to be doubling of data to ensure speedy load times for the slow read speed of the Blur-Ray drive as well as uncompressed (textures especially to take a load off of the CPU/Video card working to uncompress on the fly) assets to make for a smoother experience.

I still think, with the proper techniques, the game could realistically fit on, at most, 2 DVDs to be played on the 360. After all, Ron did say Pedal Rear Squalid Door was indeed coming to the 360 so, it's gotta fit somehow.

"Didn't Insomniac boast that resistance took 22gigs when they released it?"

The included the PAL region's audio and videos in there as well.

Apparently without those it came down to 16GB which included the doubling of data for the faster read speeds along with the fact that it contained a ton of 1080p videos rather than generating them in-game which would take up much less space.

So again, it is possible that it could fit on a DVD9.

"How would a 360 get around the additional processor demands caused by compression? I'm not that familiar with either hardware beyond the basic specs (processor speed, GPU, and memory size/allocation)."

I'm not entirely sure, so don't quote me on this but here's what I think...

The 360's video card has more RAM which would allow for more texture data to be stored allowing the uncompression (I don't think that's a word) to come about less frequently than the PS3. The 360's could technically store more in the RAM and call on them quickly whereas the PS3 would need to either use lower resolution textures or have to uncompress them more often. I think.. :P

On top of that, the PS3's CPU architecture is still a mystery to many people, I mean just look how long it took for the PS2 to get figured out, but then look at how many amazing game followed. I think at this point the optimization is easier on the 360 due to it being more like a PC and therefore you can build on familiar techniques to speed up the process. On the PS3 you have to learn the architecture and build new techniques basically from scraps of old code.

AND on top of that you can add in the Hard Drive which can be used for caching extra data to also be quickly called upon.

**All of the above is purely speculation based on specs, interviews with developers, and the teeny, tiny bit of coding experience I have.**

If it's over 50GB it has to be repeat data and a lot of uncompressed audio and textures. For the exact reasons stated above, I think the 360 could handle the decompression.

MGS4 may come out for the 360. I mean, what's to stop it from being released on two discs on the 360? But the fact of the matter is still this: Don't expect it to come out before after Christmas. It may not even come out before Christmas '09.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not willing to wait that long. And if MGS4 receives less than stellar reviews, the projected 360 sales (if it does come out for that at all) will be lowered. We may even have a buggy and almost unplayable version. Take a look at MGS2 for example. The Xbox was far superior to the PS2, but the version it got was inferior.

But ultimately, the reason why we didn't want MGS4 to be PS3 exclusive before was because the PS3 didn't have too many great games. Now it's starting to pick up the pace, I really see no reason to not purchase one, unless you don't have the money or you just hate Sony for some reason.

How on earth can the game not fit on a 50GB disc, if that's what they were using.

They need the space for all the ridiculous dialogue, archaic gameplay and the overall preachy tone the game will take while still trying to remain as a "parody".

I think the reason it will be touching the 50GB mark is because they want everything to be uncompressed so it isthe highest quality (Hideo Kojima is second only to Kazunori Yamauchi in perfectionist terms). He will probably believe everything has to be umcompressed to delivery a truly next gen experience of an old guy kicking robot ass.

@GoS-CPT-Stewart: The 360 doesn't technically have more GPU RAM than the PS3, the PS3 has a set amount (256mb of XDR DRAM which is more efficient than normal DDR2 or GDDR4 RAM) whereas the 360 shares 512mb between GPU and CPU meaning that theorectially it has more GPU RAM but you have to factor in how much the CPU is using of the RAM.

This is simply ridiculous. If it really is 50GB of unduplicated data, then they must be doing it really sloppily, even taking into account the high-resolution textures and uncompressed audio.

If you need 50 gig for a PRIMARILY single player game, than thats just called not compressing your stuff.


The biggest files on that disc are probably the audio files.

I agree with the audio part as they are region free so there's going to be tons of audio on it. Or maybe we have to set aside 80hours to beat this one rather than the usual 10hours or so.

I know I'm late, but I lol'd so hard reading people talk about being confused over a MGS game.

sorry, forgot to mention something else. i see a lot of xbox 360 assclowns saying that there WILL be a xbox 360 version. they seem to forget that in an interview with hideo kojima, he specifically stated that he will only make mgs on sony playstation consoles because that is the first console he chose to make the first mgs on. but, hey, you xbox guinea pigs can believe what you want in your stupid, ridiculously tiny brains.