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First game: TI Invaders (Space Invaders knock-off) for the TI-99 "home computer". Either that or the Pac-Man built into the glass-top tables at Mr. Gatti's Pizza.
First console: NES
First world-altering game secret: JUSTIN BAILEY
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First "mature" game: Leisure Suit Larry
First PC: 386SX 16 mHz w/40 MB HDD, Win 3.0, & 640x480 VGA baby!
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First game mastered: Street Fighter II Turbo - Hyper Fighting (SNES)
First LAN deathmatch: Duke Nukem 3D
Great Game Reawakening: Living in an apartment with all sixth generation consoles and 3 gaming rigs.

New Systems: Wii, DS.
Somehow now owns: PS3
Randomly owns: SEGA Nomad, Game Gear, Genesis II, Sega CD
Cannot afford but is thinking about intercepting return RROD coffin: Xbox 360.
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Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD: Which Is Tougher?
MaxVest | 11:18 AM on 12.07.2007 23 comments


I was reading semi-monthly poster bl4km4th's blog about playing PS3 in a movie theater, and the following tidbit caught my eye. Actually, it grabbed my eyeball and sanded down the lens with fine-grit sandpaper.
My Resistance disc had a blemish and wouldn't read and I think I might have actually made it worse by attempting to use refinishing spray and one of those hand crank disc scratch fixers. Who would have thought there was a science to it?

[slow-motion dive]Nooooooooooooooo!![/slow-motion dive]. When I worked at GameStop, we sold those plastic hand-cranked disc resurfacers for use on scratched games -- I believe it was called the Disk Doctor. But good luck trying to trade in a game once you had resurfaced it with the Disk Doctor we sold you.

Anyway, bl4km4th's post got me thinking about one of the the things we don't hear much about in the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD format wars: durability.

After reading a fairly detailed forum thread at the always-informative AVS Forum, it seems that Blu-Ray has a thinner, harder coating on the disc than HD-DVD (.1mm and .6mm, respectively). This means that Blu-Ray is harder to scratch, but a scratch is more likely to hit the data layer and make the disc unreadable.

But the forum didn't come to any real conclusion, so I called eight Hollywood Video and Movie Gallery stores around the country to see if the rental locations had noticed any difference in disc durability.


Screw you, West Virginia.

Philadelphia, PA: Two very friendly clerks at each store; both said that they noticed no difference. Truly, the city of brotherly love.

Cleveland, OH: An unremarkable call to an unremarkable city. No difference.

Montgomery, AL: The clerk really, really, really wanted me to buy a PS3. Really. Apparently it also plays HD-DVD now; who knew? I had to change tactics and tell him I was buying a player for my parents, and they wouldn't know how to operate a PS3. He relented and reported no difference in disc durability. I shouted "Giant enemy crab!" and hung up.

Nashvile, TN: The clerk said that they had hybrid HD-DVD/DVD discs, with HD on one side and standard on the other. Although it seemed like more of a risk to her, the clerk reported no difference in defective rates.

Richmond, VA: Welcomtomovigalrywheryucnchewsfromovr43489mves. What?? Why do you hate vowels so much? No difference.

Chicago, IL: Sony must have pooped on Chicago. Both clerks at the two different stores said they had problems with Blu-Ray discs scratching, but not with HD-DVD. Somewhat surprising, but I balk at calling Chicago a liar.

Final Results:

HD-DVD: 2
Blu-Ray: 0
No Difference: 6
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WINRAR: HD-DVD!!!!!



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BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 11:25
BahamutZero
hahahahahahaha giant enemy crab. I hope you actually did that.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 11:36
bloodylip
Regarding Richmond's clerk's disgust with spaces and vowels, if they don't say that shit some DMs fire on the spot. I used to work there, so did my sister-in-law. It blows.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 11:42
BluDesign
I don't scratch my disks, so this amuses me.

Out of the 500 or so DVD's I've owned, I only scratched up two disks.

1. was in my backpack in college and teh spindle broke off and it came out of the case.

2. I dropped on a table's corner.


As far as the HD DVD combo discs, they do have a problem playing those back sometimes. The glue they use to bond the layers together has shown to separate after a few months, which can cause the disc to expand in width, which is just enough to cause laser read errors and some people got scratched discs as a result.

If I owned an HD DVD player, I would avoid combo versions of movies at all costs if it can be helped.
Dead riffs's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 11:42
Dead riffs
Bluray is better though, in my opinion.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 11:47
MaxVest
@BahamutZero: I just wasn't quick enough. Next time!
@bloodylip: They all had to say it, but the Richmond clerk was entirely unintelligible. She must have had a mouthful of novocaine.
@dvddesign: I'm with you. I'm a little obsessive with my media. But man, people would come in with garbage bags full of loose, scratched, filthy discs for trade at GameStop. Jibblies!
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 12:03
Holyetheline
HDDVD is the shiz yo
Ratcliff's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 12:03
Ratcliff
Its actually quite simply, Blu-rays hold 50gb, Hd-DVD holds 30gb
More memory=better
Blu-ray wins
Barcode's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 12:10
Barcode
@Ratcliff

but that wasn't what this was about. It was about durability, not memory capacity.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 12:35
ArrestedDeveloper
A friend that works at gamecrazy and uses their automated disc buffing machine told me when you try to buff out blu rays they end up looking worse.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 12:43
blehman
I really thought this was going to be a "Will it blend" post...GIANT ENEMY CRAB!!!

*runs off*
Johnny Blaze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 13:07
Johnny Blaze
I thought the Blu ray can also get mold spores on it..
Besides I going for Digital download
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 13:13
bloodylip
Digital download FTW.
dgenerate's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 13:24
dgenerate
I heard blu-ray gives you herpes
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 13:31
king3vbo
deadriffs makes a compelling argument
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 14:02
Bob Muir
I baby my discs quite well, so I'm always surprised when people complain about their discs scratching.
Jordan Devore's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 14:17
Jordan Devore
I go out of my way to get non-combo disc HD DVDs.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 14:19
MaxVest
I think the most interested parties will be rental locations, frankly, and people who rent. Usually I ask to look at a rental disc if it's not a brand new release, but that's not much of an option when there's only one copy. So durability could be a factor when rental chains decide which format(s) to carry.
balth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 14:50
balth
Everyone knows this year's Blu-Ray is next year's Red Ray.

And HD-DVD doesn't have enough repetitive use of it's letters to make it familiar to people. It will be HDBDDBDVD.
liam2015's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/07/2007 15:06
liam2015
I actually saw a video of a guy tryin his best to damage his blu-ray, and it worked until he took a butcher knife and dug the balde all over the back. I'll try to find it.
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