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Destructoid Discuss! Is My Comic Sexist?
Matthew Blake | 7:46 PM on 10.20.2008 21 comments


So, I've been working on this comic for a while, see? It's called The Island: A Modern Fairytale (among other things) and I've been updating it on Destructoid, SmackJeeves, as well as a variety of other websites. Well, I was surfing through the comments on one of the critique forums I had set up when I came upon this:

"Hmmm.

An island... Inhabited by only beautiful women... ruled by an old codger and his male offspring (why?)? And none of the beautiful women have two words of any meaning to say to anyone... Because being beautiful, they are all the same, are boring and have cotton wool in between their ears... I'll stop there. I'm trying hard not to find this comic sexist and so far, I'm failing miserably.

Even if you argue that the prince falls for an uglier woman, so that's obviously not sexist, a wrong plus a neutral don't make a right.

I'm not saying that you're obviously out to demean all women and imply that women are either beautiful and devoid of personality or ugly and charismatic and they aren't capable of ruling their own island without a man around to be in charge (perish the thought), I'm just telling you because you wanted crit on your comic and the latent sexist aspects just jumped out at me and won't let me enjoy it. So you should be aware that this comic may have that effect on some readers. I couldn't *not* post this reply, I know you'll read this and probably think 'huh?!' because I can't imagine you purposefully intended the story this way, but that is actually the main problem - that it's subconscious.

...That there are a lot of stories like this in manga, film, tv, etc. don't make me feel any better

(manga written by a boy I note)"

Here is my response:

"All I can say is, thank God.

JesseYuki, you're the first person to get the idea that the island is sexist. I've actually been worried sick that no one seems to notice that the women of the island all look exactly the same. It's my first time trying to write satire like this, and I'm continually worried that someone is not going to get it, or worse, they're going to think I'm serious.

What does the King do? Exactly what I said he does: He watches the girls play volleyball all day. He's not much of a ruler, and only has any power because he's declared himself the king and wears a crown (the crowns will come into play later in the story). He wants the Prince to marry someone- he doesn't care who- so that he can become king and continue the bloodline.

Why does the Prince find the women boring? Because they all look the same to him: here, beauty has only one definition, and thus has no meaning. When he first sees the girl, he falls in love with her for the exact reason you described: she's uglier. She's different-looking, more exotic, if you will (because really, what does exotic mean, anyway?) and that's exactly what the Prince has been looking for.

The Prince is sexist; the King is most definitely sexist; hell, the Narrator is sexist, to a degree. So, who should you, the reader, sympathize with? Really, it's up to you. I try not to sympathize with any single character more than another. They all make mistakes, and have their own issues that they may or may not deal with by the time the comic is finished.

I honestly have to thank you for calling me out on this; not a single person who has read this has said a single thing about the nature of the story or its characters, and it excites me that someone is willing to at least take a cursory glance at the deeper meaning behind the tale. Believe me, if I wanted this to be a misogynistic romp, the women would have been far more scantily-clad. All the same, thank you once again for actually taking the time to critique my work."

So, I guess I'd better ask the rest of you at Destructoid: Do you think The Island is sexist, subliminally, ironically, or otherwise? Feel free to discuss any parts of the story that I've released. All I'll say is that we're only halfway done with the story- we're just getting started...



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aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 20:38
aborto thefetus
Not anymore sexist then any other comic I read.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 20:48
timtheterrible
Reality is sexist.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 20:51
the GAMEGOBLIN
I'm sexy.
Scrixx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 20:54
Scrixx
GameGoblin is sex.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 20:57
aborto thefetus
Scrixx is a lubricant that enhances gamegob, I mean, sex.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:07
TheDreadHawk
I love sex. And titties.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:09
ajaxender
Sexist but as you say, on purpose.
Tyler Jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:15
Tyler Jones
Wow, great comic, great commentary.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:18
Aaron Mxy Yost
I kinda figured the whole point of the comic was pretty much what you stated in your response.
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:19
UglyDuck
It's not sexist. It's not very good either. Not bad, but overall pretty empty. The idea is a good one but it's only the core narrative, the bare bones of a comic. Let me explain. You linked me to panel 15. I saw that and the title, and got the idea in a second. The first 10 panels were just drawing that out. Plus you have a slow server and I'm impatient right now. I like your art though.

But no, it isn't sexist. You've presented and innocent world where, as you've explained, they lived that way because they knew no other. If they thought it was sexist, they would acknowledge that by living differently.

I can't talk about this now, I keep trying and I'm just can't say it right. What I'm trying to get across is that we hae culturally changed from what we were 50 years ago. There is always going to be gender differences and there are always going to be assholes who arbitrarily discriminate based on that. But sexism is really not socially a relevant issue anymore, and people are all too willing to bring it up.
Floyd1911's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:31
Floyd1911
Sex sex sex.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:37
Kyousuke Nanbu
So what if it is? Sexism is ok in my book.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:38
Skribble
Something can be considered sexist if the intent behind the action is driven by the discrimination or prejudice of a person due to their sex. But, as with all things in life, context is everything ;D

Yes it is sexist, because of things like the king being all "I love watching the girls play volleyball" and is all shallow and whatnot, the girls all looking the same with one "ugly" one etc. It's the story for crying out loud, and if somebody wants to get their knickers in a knot over characters being portrayed in a way that they do not agree with, then they can just fuck RIGHT off and die in a manure fire.

It is YOUR FUCKING STORY! If they want to promote women being awesome then they can write their own god damn comic and fill it with all the sexual equality they want to.

Even this person with their level headed response is still a fucking moron. It's called "The Island - A Modern Fairytale". Does it have to adhere to the standards of the modern day world? Does everything have to have a fucking filter slapped on to it so that the majority can enjoy it? Whatever happened to creative freedom and the idea of bringing your creations to life the way you want them to be, not the way everybody else wants them to fucking be.

Sorry about the rant. This shit just pisses me off. I can understand if she said "The story seems to rely to heavily on sexism in part X, you might want to focus on part Y instead to create some different pacing". But no, they come right out and say "ITS TOO SEXIST!".

Yeah, I'll stop. Sorry hahah.
nebones's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 21:45
nebones
I like sex
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 22:46
Tristero
I don't think this comic is sexist. And I should know. I play one on TV.

I think it's good that you're sensitive to the issue and even asking people, but trust me on this, you're in the clear so far.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 23:18
Clint
I like it. Not sure if that proves that it is or it isn't though XP
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2008 23:43
hpv
If you have to ask you can't afford it... I mean, it's sexist.
Jesse Cortez's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 01:41
Jesse Cortez
Nebones....you beat me to it...that was going to be my exact comment

CURSE YOU!
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 05:56
JamnOnTheOne
You write what you know and it influences your work. Obviously, you know nothing (or very little) about women so you threw one in there for giggles.

It's ok though...Women aren't real people anyway and their opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. Their goals in life is to hook a man, spit out a kid, demand equality (while not giving up their own double standard lifestyle), and then get ugly as they get older :-D.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 06:10
free touch
All I saw in that crit was "BLAH BLAH BLAH IM A FAT GIRL BLAH BLAH BLAH"
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 11:12
king3vbo
I dont think it seemed sexist, at least in a negative light. I enjoyed reading what you had so far
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