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I am a PC gamer. I have a water cool completely custom case that I hand crafted from raw materials and PC DIY parts. The case is one of the smallest 3 120mm radiator cases that exists. I have a modest computer inside. The non-water cooling parts cost about $650 dollars and I upgrade the system about every 3 years and the video card about every 2 years.

I have been gaming all my life. I started with simple LCD portable games and we eventually got an Atari which I played the dickens out of. NES was too played until my fingers had blisters. I bought a PC in 1988 and have not looked back since (well except to play karaoke with my ex-wife). Games like Civilization, Battle of Britain, Ultima IV, Leisure Suit Larry, and Wing Commander took my heart.

Sytems I have owned:
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I have a degree in Industrial Design. This makes me a designer of products, architectural way finding, POP displays, and user interfaces. I have also taught design at the college level.
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A Viable 10 year Lasting Gaming PC, better than any Console? Its here now!
Locke | 2:14 PM on 01.05.2010 14 comments



So my last blog post had a bit of controversy attached. I stated that PC's...

..."are cheaper than consoles to own in many circumstances over a 5 year span, for moderate to hardcore gamers."

(Here's yet ANOTHER article that supports my post...)
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/how_build_awesome_pc_647

There were some diligent console fans using many exceptions to break this statement, but generally my basic math is correct. I may follow up on this with a part II and work it out so the costing is easier to follow, but what I laid out is generally correct.

So now I say that a single base build PC is viable for 10 years!!! Well that has to be double insanity. It's not... and here I offer up some edumication...

ONE: GRAPHICS
Graphics are based on Level of Detail. This LOD is known as resolution. Most of us understand that PC gaming offers better resolution over console gaming, and to actually equal the quality of output on a console, a typical PC component cost could be under $300 easily.

Here's a chart that outlines what frame rates a $130 monitor outputs.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=866&p=2

This indicates that a 2 year old video card (9800gt @ $170 2 years ago) is still a viable solution. Remember we are really looking for that magic 34 FPS. This is about the point at which the eye can't discern extra frames (which is generally true). There are still many people that have built PC's that have this card or a similar card they are still using.

TWO: PC COMPONENTS
PC parts need to get replaced as often as new technology pushes the capability of new types of software. This technology will be around for quite some time, as seeing as how DDR 2 was around for (and is still alive and well) about 7 years, we should expect to see DDR3 match that lifespan. The difference is that at intro dual channel ddr2 was vastly more expensive than ddr3.

-DDR3 RAM: This stuff has just released about a year ago. Now it is cheap. Also ram is easily scalable in most cases.
- Dual/ Quad Core Processors: There are many PC's that were built that have been using true dual core processors. Since then OS and games have started to take advantage of the capability. This means that it is VERY HARD for software to outpace the hardware, and keeps the processors viable for long stretches of time.

This link shows how strong these processors perform over the years.
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=874&p=10

THREE: MOORE'S LAW IS DEAD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law
It's dead people. That means the traditional idea of rapid hardware growth IS SLOWING! This means that the drive is slowing and new developmental leaps take longer to produce. IE... your stuff doesn't become as obsolete as fast.

FOUR: $$ COST $$

New technology is getting cheaper and cheaper. The new batch of Intel processors are coming out and they are two things...

1. FAST
2. CHEAP

They are full dual core models and AMD has a quad core processor that is around $100. This technology. Notice that i3-530 processor @ $123. That's a full dual core with hyper threading. Its essentially faster than anything near its price range that's out now.

CONCLUSION
In the end we can talk about building a P55 system with an i3 processor and 4 gigs of DDR3 ram for around $330 + video card.

Now here's the catch. You knew one was coming. High performance video cards are extremely inefficient based on price. Its better in the long run to buy cheaper cards more often then buying one expensive one.

So... Over 10 years you build the $330 system listed above, get a $150 video card ever 2-3 years.

We know this is likely because there are older dual core systems that are 3-4 years old and still going strong. The video card does almost all of the graphics work. YES THIS IS A STRETCH. It would be much more viable at the 6-8 year range, but based on what people are using and the frame rates they are getting with older CPU technologies, getting 30-60 fps for the next 10 years is possible!

On average the core of this system will cost: about $1000 over 10 years. With hard drives and other stuff sensibly bought at the right time we can have a system like this:

- CPU: i3 ($120) or quad core i5 750 ($200) <---- this is what I own...
- MB: p55 ($100)
- RAM: 4gb ddr3 ($90)
- HDD: 1TB ($90)
- optical: blu ray ($50)
- Video: xxxx ($170)
- PSU: xxxx ($60)
- Case: xxxx ($50)

total: $730 or $73 a year

Additional Stuff...
- +3 video cards every 2.5 years ($450)
- +4 GB of Ram ($80) not that you need it...
- +2 HDD's ($180)

total: $710 or $71 a year

grand total for complete system: $1450 or $145 a year
or
grand total for bare bones: $1200 or $120 a year (this assumes owing a PSU, Optical, HDD, & Case)



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Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 15:37
Xzyliac
Our resident minister returns from the Church of the PC to convert more non-believers. :P
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 15:49
Locke
lol if not me who else..

I'm really just trying to help the advertisers of the site who seem to be primarily PC based for some reason...
armless-phelan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 16:30
armless-phelan
Meh, I'm happy with my outdated HP. Can't play JRPGs on a PC!
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 16:57
Locke
yeah PS3 has some NICE exclusives... I'm not as crazy about the 360 exclusives...
Mike Moran's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 17:29
Mike Moran
Surely you make a good argument for a long term PC, but a 300 dollar PS2 has lasted many people 10 years on its own. You are quite right that this is an exception, however the more consoles you buy typically the more variety in games you get. Each system has a certain niche that others don't fulfill. So I'd think 1,500 dollars in 4 systems over 10 years gets you more variety than PC.

Still, if that PC would seriously last as a gaming rig for 10 years I am impressed.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2010 19:07
Xzyliac
@Locke
Hey! We have...umm...Mass Eff...oh wait that's on PC. Wel there's Gears of...oh wait that's on PC. Hal...wait that game sucks. Dragon Age...no, no. Well there's Xbox Li...well they do have Steam.

Fuck you Locke!
Joshua Mack Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2010 02:04
Joshua Mack Johnson
Assuming "(this assumes owing a PSU, Optical, HDD, & Case)" is not okay. Why would you assume that at all? Are you trying to convince people who already own PCs or console only people? Exactly, you have to include it all, there are no freebies.

I think the point you're missing is the fact that it doesn't. fucking. matter. Quit trying to make yourself feel better about spending 150 dollars every 2-3 years for an upgrade. I personally never buy my systems new. I didn't get my PS2 until 3 years after it was out, I was poor and a kid, and I didn't buy myself a 360 until March 2008, and it was refurbished. You wouldn't let someone on the other side of the argument say things like "Oh yea, you can totally get a 360 for 5ish years for only 190 dollars like I did therefore you can spend 190 on a console every 5 years, assuming of course you have an HDD, controllers, etc."
dwtomek's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2010 11:13
dwtomek
You are severely undervaluing the plug and play factor for many people, myself included. If I want to play some games I just want to go buy a disc, pop it in and know for a fact that it is going to work as intended. Obviously this isn't a factor for everyone but I would wager that it is a large factor for many.
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 10:40
Locke
okay guys this is about COST and length for average to hardcore gamers... its NOT about ease of use or ANYTHING ELSE!

how many hardcore gamers did NOT buy a console withing a month of release? How many bought 2? I would say more than 50% of those who call themselves hardcore would have bout a console right off and paid the premium, and many more own 2. I WORK with many non-hardcore gamers that own 2 CONSOLES and PC's. I am in the console world I know the difference.

There are people still gaming on ps2, but I wouldn't call them close to hardcore.
Locke's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2010 10:55
Locke
also the point of discussing the difference on cost of core vs an entire PC is that once bought into a PC those components last and the next upgrade cost has been mitigated. From a hardcore to hardcore stand point most PC gamers understand this, like console gamers expect to have red-ring repairs.
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