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LK4O4 | 4:04 PM on 07.01.2009 11 comments


Posted by: Ryan


During the first act of Metal Gear Solid 4, shortly after you meet Meryl, you have to go through a mansion/hotel/building with a ton of guys attacking you along the way. The way the building is set up, the guys who were attacking you tended to be on the other side of the building, shooting at you from a balcony kind of thing.

I had a decent amount of money, so I bought a bunch of rounds for my RPG and went to town shooting grenade launcher rounds at them. My sister's boyfriend happened to see this chain of events (as well he should, since it was his PS3 I was playing on), and he said that he never would have thought to do that.

For me, it made perfect sense. There's a bunch of guys who are all clumped together, they're far enough away that I won't get hurt, and there's a wall right behind them, so if I missed, then it would hit the wall and still do a ton of splash damage to them. But for him, he knew that realistically, you'd never actually want to fire an RPG indoors, especially on a balcony that you eventually want to walk to so you can progress.

He knows a lot more about military stuff than I do. I don't play a lot of FPS games, but I at least know the basic gun types: pistol, shotgun, sniper, machine gun, grenade, etc. (Oh, and I know magnums because of RE4. I hope people in real life are that cool when they reload magnums.) He could probably tell you the actual difference between the gun models in MGS4, but I certainly couldn't.


Metal Gear Solid 4

I like blowing stuff up.

In fact, I found myself wondering why people don't blow me up more often. I don't know if this is realistic or not, but if I have a giant rocket launcher gun over my shoulder, shouldn't someone be able to shoot the large, obvious launcher and blow me up with my own grenade?

At first, this idea sounded irritating, but as I think about it more, I think I actually like the idea better than one-hit-kill headshots (which are in lots of FPS games). Imagine a squad game where if you equip a grenade, an opponent can snipe the grenade in your hand, and not only kill you, but then also damage the teammates around you. And if someone's really good, then they could shoot a grenade out of the air and make it blow up in mid-flight, and save themselves from getting hurt. (Sounds like House of the Dead, actually.)

Or what if I ran up ahead of my team and pulled out a rocket launcher to draw enemy fire, but the gun didn't blow up when people shot it because I didn't have any ammo? If I don't have any ammo, then there's no grenade in my gun, and shooting it doesn't blow me up. Yes, the launcher will look different with nothing in it, so there would be an obvious visual cue, but I'm sure people would still shoot it anyway. *laughs*

And what do you do about rocket launchers now with this mechanic? If someone's going to shoot a rocket launcher, does that mean that his team members should stand around him to cover him and make sure he doesn't get shot? Should he run away from his teammates before switching his weapon to make sure none of them are hurt in case he gets shot?

I don't know much about first-person shooters; this was just some weird brainstorming during my lunch break, but I'm curious what you guys think.


P.S.
I'm really excited to try out Red Faction: Guerrilla. I hear you get to blow up lots of stuff in lots of fun ways. <3
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Primo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 17:23
Primo
That was the same way I beat that portion of MGS4. I knew it probably wasn't the best way to do it, considering a couple of times I would end up blowing up myself.. but it was a hell of a lot of fun.

I don't really have an answer to your brainstorming, since I don't play FPSs online.

I am very excited for Red Faction.. I'm going to pick it up when I have money again.
Junpei Ace Defective's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 17:33
Junpei Ace Defective
The more options the better in most cases
Caffeine Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 17:34
Caffeine Knight
Shooting grenades in mid-air could be fucking awesome if done right. By done right, I mean it would have to be virtually impossible. Just one of those things to randomly happen every once in a blue moon and be kick ass.

That's what I got.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 17:56
Zippyduda
Well this was kind of implmented in Call of Duty 4 and 5 with C4's/Satchel Charges, whereby if you throw them, you can shoot them as they are thrown (I've killed someone doing this and been killed myself as throwing them).

There is a game however where you can shoot the grenades and pull the pins out of enemy grenades, however I don't know what game it is :( sorry.

Tis' a good idea though and can't say I haven't thought about it myself before.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 17:57
Naim Master
Battlefield Bad Company , you should play it .
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 18:59
Elsa
LOL! I blow myself up with grenades all the time in Killzone! Sometimes I'll cook them too long, or sometimes I'll throw them at a guy up above, only to see them come bouncing back down at my feet... just in time to go "Boom!" - UGH... I hate suicide by grenade.

... in COD you also had the option to throw a grenade back if it wasn't cooked... but I was always too slow. :(

Regarding rocket launchers... you can pick up weapons off the dead in KZ (and many other games)... and yeah, I've picked up an empty rocket launcher, gone charging in.. only to go "click, click"... what??? The ammo count is visible.. but in the heat of battle...

Oh, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who isn't into the "gun thing". I hate games where you have to choose from 15 different guns... and that's just for the "LMG" category! :)
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 20:34
Takeshi
You'd need some sort of VATS in order to shoot someones rocket. For instance that RPG-7 Old Snake fires on your pic:

The grenade comes out of the tube at approximately 384 feet per second. Then it accelerates to a potential speed of about 965 feet per second. They also have a self-destruct mechanism which blows the rocket up after 4.5 sec. So you've got 4 seconds to shoot a 18 inch rocket that moves at about 950 feet per second (4 seconds because that half a second isn't very useful because it'll blow up right next to you).

Normal hand grenades would be quite possible I guess but also quite hard because their 'flight' isn't very long and they're not very big.

Realistic or not. I love to blow up stuff too! It would be awesome to shoot someone else's rocket out of the sky.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/02/2009 00:10
grafkhun
In Black you could shoot grenades in midair. It was hard as fuck but it's doable. But yeah, that whole 'shoot an RPG so it explodes thing' is a neat idea, could be used to draw away enemy fire and stuff.
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