when i'm in the "attack mode" so to say i usually don't realize it.
you just start of defending the things you like and end up attacking the opposite side whomever it may be.
and that racism stuff?
my world is pretty simple, it always comes down to the question:
is this useful? do i as a person have use for this?
so when hate's involved the question is it useful is easily answered.
It's always no. it's so simple
it takes intelligence to look at the big picture. congratz
you just start of defending the things you like and end up attacking the opposite side whomever it may be.
and that racism stuff?
my world is pretty simple, it always comes down to the question:
is this useful? do i as a person have use for this?
so when hate's involved the question is it useful is easily answered.
It's always no. it's so simple
it takes intelligence to look at the big picture. congratz
totally agree. i never understood why gamers are so divided yet we all play games. who cares what system they have, who cares what games they like.
if anything we should be emailing the developers and asking THEM why was this "black" character stereo typed in this particular game. why is that female character in that game so "busty" or "helpless". and so on.
i do see a lot of it being culturally influenced. but then again, you do hear the phrase "stereo types are that way for a reason" but it doesnt mean it should always be like that.
if anything we should be emailing the developers and asking THEM why was this "black" character stereo typed in this particular game. why is that female character in that game so "busty" or "helpless". and so on.
i do see a lot of it being culturally influenced. but then again, you do hear the phrase "stereo types are that way for a reason" but it doesnt mean it should always be like that.
"...of course no gamer is going to play as a bearded old dude."
False! I would adore that choice but sadly it's not usually an option. Fighting games are my one true escape into the shoes of a bearded old man. *sigh*
False! I would adore that choice but sadly it's not usually an option. Fighting games are my one true escape into the shoes of a bearded old man. *sigh*
I would play as a bearded old dude ONLY if it was Brian Blessed and I killed people by shouting at them.
@Fetus
Many stereotypes do have a base in reality BUT, they do not represent the ethnicity as a whole, it is simple the most extreme part of it.
Its very to easy "All black people are criminals" when all you do is focus on that and willfully ignore everything else about black culture.
@Fetus
Many stereotypes do have a base in reality BUT, they do not represent the ethnicity as a whole, it is simple the most extreme part of it.
Its very to easy "All black people are criminals" when all you do is focus on that and willfully ignore everything else about black culture.
Great blog!
I'd love to see your attitude towards comments take on the philosophy that you've taken on here.
I'd love to see your attitude towards comments take on the philosophy that you've taken on here.
It’s a start.
I agree that there are plenty of issues that need to be broached just as feminism is now, but it’s not going to happen all at once, nobody’s going to set out a schedule before we discus it or it weigh out so every topic get’s equal representation. People are very passionate about female portrayals in games right now, great, let’s start there, the balls already rolling.
I don’t want to tell the guy working on a cure for cancer to slow down so the AIDS guy can catch up.
I agree that there are plenty of issues that need to be broached just as feminism is now, but it’s not going to happen all at once, nobody’s going to set out a schedule before we discus it or it weigh out so every topic get’s equal representation. People are very passionate about female portrayals in games right now, great, let’s start there, the balls already rolling.
I don’t want to tell the guy working on a cure for cancer to slow down so the AIDS guy can catch up.
I've always been fascinated at how gamers will distance themselves from each other, how quickly the collective hivemind of gamers will separate themselves based on what we like.
To be fair, this is what people in general do. People talk big about this "global community", but people are very quick to segregate themselves into groups based on... fucking anything.
- What neighborhood you're from
- Age/race/religion
- What subjects you liked in school, or what sports you played
- A common friend
- What sports teams/bands/beer/shows/movies you like
- What your opinion on the current state of Destructoid is
- etc
People always try to find some sort of common ground with others. Something that says "Hey! You and I have this in common, and that's awesome because it makes us unique and different from everybody else!". Nobody wants to blend into the crowd completely, become one of the faceless people you pass everyday without a second thought. Everybody wants to stand out, make their own stamp on life. Even if not in a profound way, people want to think that their life matters more than the lives of others. Even for more minuscule things like specific gaming interests, or even a particular game (Call of Duty vs Battlefield for example), it's all about saying "this is what makes me different/better than most other people!".
It is definitely a fascinating thing, seeing people drift through these groups as they go through life. All the significant (and petty) ways people make and break relationships with others.
To be fair, this is what people in general do. People talk big about this "global community", but people are very quick to segregate themselves into groups based on... fucking anything.
- What neighborhood you're from
- Age/race/religion
- What subjects you liked in school, or what sports you played
- A common friend
- What sports teams/bands/beer/shows/movies you like
- What your opinion on the current state of Destructoid is
- etc
People always try to find some sort of common ground with others. Something that says "Hey! You and I have this in common, and that's awesome because it makes us unique and different from everybody else!". Nobody wants to blend into the crowd completely, become one of the faceless people you pass everyday without a second thought. Everybody wants to stand out, make their own stamp on life. Even if not in a profound way, people want to think that their life matters more than the lives of others. Even for more minuscule things like specific gaming interests, or even a particular game (Call of Duty vs Battlefield for example), it's all about saying "this is what makes me different/better than most other people!".
It is definitely a fascinating thing, seeing people drift through these groups as they go through life. All the significant (and petty) ways people make and break relationships with others.
I'm glad you respect that I like Call of Duty! :)
... and yeah, I have to say that I adored playing the old bearded Ezio in the most recent AC game - one of my favorite games to date!
... and you're right, people should realize that we are all gamers and that gamers will have varying tastes. I have no issue with people speaking up with an opposing viewpoint, as long as they keep it respectful and say why they don't enjoy something, while still realizing why others do.
... and yeah, I have to say that I adored playing the old bearded Ezio in the most recent AC game - one of my favorite games to date!
... and you're right, people should realize that we are all gamers and that gamers will have varying tastes. I have no issue with people speaking up with an opposing viewpoint, as long as they keep it respectful and say why they don't enjoy something, while still realizing why others do.
ScottyG is right that people simply cling to those with similar feelings, but I think it goes further than that. I mean, when you get right down to it, you can probably write sociology books on the sorts of people that make certain sorts of posts online.
My guess is that most of the people that make rude comments, or closed-minded ones, on the Internet are either surrounded by an echo chamber in real life, or they do not want to face the idea that they're not as smart as they like to believe. Or it could be simple. They could simply not care.
And in the modern age of the internet, where you can read, watch and learn so much about someone without even meeting them in person, it is easy to be judgmental about them. Just think about how people turn celebrities into jokes. Does it really matter that Tom Cruise is a Scientologist? From what I've read he is a genuinely nice guy, very sincere, and a talented actor. I've known people that have avoided movies with Tom Cruise in them because he's a Scientologist. This means you are judging how someone performs THEIR JOB based on their beliefs. Is that not a form of discrimination?
I don't know if it is worse than it ever was. I feel the more things change the more they stay the same. That things are neither better nor worse, just different.
But one thing I will agree with is how ethnicities are written in video games, and let's face it, television and film. It's not just that you have a Latina woman that cusses in Spanish and has an accent, they also have to be feisty too! They don't take orders from no man, waving their finger and swaying their head side to side. Fire!
What I find curious is the treatment of Indians (as in people from India, not Native Americans, though that is also a whole can o' worms of its own). They often enough seem to be treated as comic relief. Then again, there are also questions of whether characters like Raj from Big Bang Theory are progressive or regressive. I'd like to think progressive, as the jokes made are similar to Howard's jokes of his Jewish heritage. They're good natured, and they allow the person's heritage to be a part of who they are without defining who they are.
That, I think, is the issue. When someone writes an ethnic character, they feel the need to define that character by their ethnicity. Meanwhile, when someone sits down to write a white character, no one thinks "Hmm, how can I make them seem white?" They (hopefully) think of a background and life that would fit a personality, the story in mind, etc.
It would be nice if people could just write people, THEN attach ethnicities.
My guess is that most of the people that make rude comments, or closed-minded ones, on the Internet are either surrounded by an echo chamber in real life, or they do not want to face the idea that they're not as smart as they like to believe. Or it could be simple. They could simply not care.
And in the modern age of the internet, where you can read, watch and learn so much about someone without even meeting them in person, it is easy to be judgmental about them. Just think about how people turn celebrities into jokes. Does it really matter that Tom Cruise is a Scientologist? From what I've read he is a genuinely nice guy, very sincere, and a talented actor. I've known people that have avoided movies with Tom Cruise in them because he's a Scientologist. This means you are judging how someone performs THEIR JOB based on their beliefs. Is that not a form of discrimination?
I don't know if it is worse than it ever was. I feel the more things change the more they stay the same. That things are neither better nor worse, just different.
But one thing I will agree with is how ethnicities are written in video games, and let's face it, television and film. It's not just that you have a Latina woman that cusses in Spanish and has an accent, they also have to be feisty too! They don't take orders from no man, waving their finger and swaying their head side to side. Fire!
What I find curious is the treatment of Indians (as in people from India, not Native Americans, though that is also a whole can o' worms of its own). They often enough seem to be treated as comic relief. Then again, there are also questions of whether characters like Raj from Big Bang Theory are progressive or regressive. I'd like to think progressive, as the jokes made are similar to Howard's jokes of his Jewish heritage. They're good natured, and they allow the person's heritage to be a part of who they are without defining who they are.
That, I think, is the issue. When someone writes an ethnic character, they feel the need to define that character by their ethnicity. Meanwhile, when someone sits down to write a white character, no one thinks "Hmm, how can I make them seem white?" They (hopefully) think of a background and life that would fit a personality, the story in mind, etc.
It would be nice if people could just write people, THEN attach ethnicities.
I loved that Max kept the beard even after his shave in Max Payne 3.
Great post, I was just talking with some gamers at a humanities discussion (not a school), and we all agreed that the solution is to make a habit of contacting developers and publishers, the way people do with TV. I think that publishers really do listen to their audience because they are investing insane amounts of money into these games and they don't like to take risks.
Great post, I was just talking with some gamers at a humanities discussion (not a school), and we all agreed that the solution is to make a habit of contacting developers and publishers, the way people do with TV. I think that publishers really do listen to their audience because they are investing insane amounts of money into these games and they don't like to take risks.

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