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A few hours ago, there was an interview in the front page with Anita of feminist frequency, the comment section sort off exploded.

I'm not here to talk about that, I'm just gonna talk about games and broach on a few subjects.



What is a gamer exactly? A person that plays games, be in on your phone, those old tiger electronics, a gameboy, it doesn't matter, you play games and you're a gamer, so why need to draw lines in the sand between us?

I've always been fascinated at how gamers will distance themselves from each other, how quickly the collective hivemind of gamers will separate themselves based on what we like.

"Oh he likes military shooters, BUT ITS NOT THE I LIKE, I MUST HATE HIM"
"Oh he enjoys old consoles, BUT HE DOESN'T LIKE THE GENESIS, MUST HATE"
"Oh he likes rpg's, BUT HE LIKES JAPANESE ONES, HATE, HATE, HATE"

Why? Why is this necessary? Why can't we simply come to an understanding in the hobby we all love and enjoy.

It doesn't end there, look at these situations with this Anita and woman or the Felicia Day fiasco. In both situations anyone who disagrees is shouted down, has anyone even sat down and watched all of Anita's videos? Her arguments are based on strawmen and opinions regarding this in her comment sections are outright deleted or voted down, the thing with Day was also another explosion, if you agreed with Ryan you where apparently a sexist pig and other such nonsense, in the end it was Ryan's opinion but really, was has Felicia done for the gaming community?

Nothing, if anything she's hurt it by perpetuating the geek stereotype in her show, she's gotten voice acting jobs over much more talented people, she even landed a role on Eureka where you can see just how bad an actress she really is.

I'm not attacking Felicia the person, I am merely questioning her contributions to gaming as a whole, and I question them because all the apologies after the Ryan thing read like something you would say to to a huge game developer or someone that contributed something to gaming that left a huge mark like say Wolfestein and the FPS foundation it created.



These 2 issues show us just narrow these points of view are, why are just focusing on this when we could take a chance and look at so much more.

Men in videogames are always something so unreal, one of the biggest complaints in this modern era is all the meatheads that are the protagonists, or the pretty boys found in some RPG's, look at Nathan Drake, the man goes on insane grand adventures and looks he just got out of doing his hair before a photoshoot, the man is gorgeous, hell look at Gordon Freeman, a nuclear physicist.



See this bearded old dude? That's Stanton Friedman, that is what a nuclear physicist looks like, not a gorgeous man like Freeman, of course no gamer is going to play as a bearded old dude, that's just how we are, we project onto these characters, videogames are purely about escapism after all.

But why stop at all these simplistic tropes, what about ethnic representation in games?

We have so few african american characters that don't act like huge stereotypes, we have so few black main characters, period, the biggest one I can think off right is Carl fom San Andreas and even he fell under the stereotype bus cause it was all about the hood and other black culture cliches.

A black man is a person just you and me, only the color of our skin separates us, so why do games have such a trouble showing this, why must the black person be the loudest in the group? Or even the thief sometimes.

What about latinos? I'm a latina and I laugh my ass off at the representation of my culture in videogames, according to Capcom we're all axe wielding maniacs, according to Rockstar we're all thugs who speak in broken Portuguese or english, other games have us talking half spanish, half english, or cursing in spanish.

My point is this, the issue of misandry in games or feminist tropes is to small, we need to look at the bigger picture, we need talk about ALL the issues we see games in everyday, not just one small subset of it, I play games, I am gamer and quite frankly none of these issues bother me, but if they bother you then say something, speak up, if you want things to change we need to sit down and talk about all of this, not just the small sub-issues. Not only that, we need to stop sorting ourselves into camps simply because of what we choose to enjoy.

Maybe I can't hope to understand why CoD is so popular, but you know what? I can respect it, and I can respect YOU, the person who enjoys it.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind but I hope you at least respect that guy on your friends list who plays Atelier Meru, right alongside that guy that plays MW3 all day.




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when i'm in the "attack mode" so to say i usually don't realize it.
you just start of defending the things you like and end up attacking the opposite side whomever it may be.

and that racism stuff?
my world is pretty simple, it always comes down to the question:

is this useful? do i as a person have use for this?

so when hate's involved the question is it useful is easily answered.
It's always no. it's so simple

it takes intelligence to look at the big picture. congratz
totally agree. i never understood why gamers are so divided yet we all play games. who cares what system they have, who cares what games they like.

if anything we should be emailing the developers and asking THEM why was this "black" character stereo typed in this particular game. why is that female character in that game so "busty" or "helpless". and so on.

i do see a lot of it being culturally influenced. but then again, you do hear the phrase "stereo types are that way for a reason" but it doesnt mean it should always be like that.
"...of course no gamer is going to play as a bearded old dude."

False! I would adore that choice but sadly it's not usually an option. Fighting games are my one true escape into the shoes of a bearded old man. *sigh*
I would play as a bearded old dude ONLY if it was Brian Blessed and I killed people by shouting at them.

@Fetus

Many stereotypes do have a base in reality BUT, they do not represent the ethnicity as a whole, it is simple the most extreme part of it.

Its very to easy "All black people are criminals" when all you do is focus on that and willfully ignore everything else about black culture.
A very reasonable and rational response to that article, thank you!
Great blog!

I'd love to see your attitude towards comments take on the philosophy that you've taken on here.
It’s a start.

I agree that there are plenty of issues that need to be broached just as feminism is now, but it’s not going to happen all at once, nobody’s going to set out a schedule before we discus it or it weigh out so every topic get’s equal representation. People are very passionate about female portrayals in games right now, great, let’s start there, the balls already rolling.

I don’t want to tell the guy working on a cure for cancer to slow down so the AIDS guy can catch up.
I've always been fascinated at how gamers will distance themselves from each other, how quickly the collective hivemind of gamers will separate themselves based on what we like.

To be fair, this is what people in general do. People talk big about this "global community", but people are very quick to segregate themselves into groups based on... fucking anything.

- What neighborhood you're from
- Age/race/religion
- What subjects you liked in school, or what sports you played
- A common friend
- What sports teams/bands/beer/shows/movies you like
- What your opinion on the current state of Destructoid is
- etc

People always try to find some sort of common ground with others. Something that says "Hey! You and I have this in common, and that's awesome because it makes us unique and different from everybody else!". Nobody wants to blend into the crowd completely, become one of the faceless people you pass everyday without a second thought. Everybody wants to stand out, make their own stamp on life. Even if not in a profound way, people want to think that their life matters more than the lives of others. Even for more minuscule things like specific gaming interests, or even a particular game (Call of Duty vs Battlefield for example), it's all about saying "this is what makes me different/better than most other people!".

It is definitely a fascinating thing, seeing people drift through these groups as they go through life. All the significant (and petty) ways people make and break relationships with others.
I wish I was Brian Blessed at least once a day.



FLY MY HAWK MEN!
I'm glad you respect that I like Call of Duty! :)

... and yeah, I have to say that I adored playing the old bearded Ezio in the most recent AC game - one of my favorite games to date!

... and you're right, people should realize that we are all gamers and that gamers will have varying tastes. I have no issue with people speaking up with an opposing viewpoint, as long as they keep it respectful and say why they don't enjoy something, while still realizing why others do.
Good blog, Nanbu!
ScottyG is right that people simply cling to those with similar feelings, but I think it goes further than that. I mean, when you get right down to it, you can probably write sociology books on the sorts of people that make certain sorts of posts online.

My guess is that most of the people that make rude comments, or closed-minded ones, on the Internet are either surrounded by an echo chamber in real life, or they do not want to face the idea that they're not as smart as they like to believe. Or it could be simple. They could simply not care.

And in the modern age of the internet, where you can read, watch and learn so much about someone without even meeting them in person, it is easy to be judgmental about them. Just think about how people turn celebrities into jokes. Does it really matter that Tom Cruise is a Scientologist? From what I've read he is a genuinely nice guy, very sincere, and a talented actor. I've known people that have avoided movies with Tom Cruise in them because he's a Scientologist. This means you are judging how someone performs THEIR JOB based on their beliefs. Is that not a form of discrimination?

I don't know if it is worse than it ever was. I feel the more things change the more they stay the same. That things are neither better nor worse, just different.

But one thing I will agree with is how ethnicities are written in video games, and let's face it, television and film. It's not just that you have a Latina woman that cusses in Spanish and has an accent, they also have to be feisty too! They don't take orders from no man, waving their finger and swaying their head side to side. Fire!

What I find curious is the treatment of Indians (as in people from India, not Native Americans, though that is also a whole can o' worms of its own). They often enough seem to be treated as comic relief. Then again, there are also questions of whether characters like Raj from Big Bang Theory are progressive or regressive. I'd like to think progressive, as the jokes made are similar to Howard's jokes of his Jewish heritage. They're good natured, and they allow the person's heritage to be a part of who they are without defining who they are.

That, I think, is the issue. When someone writes an ethnic character, they feel the need to define that character by their ethnicity. Meanwhile, when someone sits down to write a white character, no one thinks "Hmm, how can I make them seem white?" They (hopefully) think of a background and life that would fit a personality, the story in mind, etc.

It would be nice if people could just write people, THEN attach ethnicities.
Very nice blog.

And I'd play the shit out of a fat, old, bearded dude.
Great blog. Good to know another Latina is around here. ;D
I loved that Max kept the beard even after his shave in Max Payne 3.

Great post, I was just talking with some gamers at a humanities discussion (not a school), and we all agreed that the solution is to make a habit of contacting developers and publishers, the way people do with TV. I think that publishers really do listen to their audience because they are investing insane amounts of money into these games and they don't like to take risks.

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