I read your post. As always your response was intelligent and reasonable. But the title sounds like a hilariously demanding homosexual invitation.
While I do think the comments the guy made were pretty dumb and patronizing I do feel like you're getting a little too angry about it. First of all the way you've worded this to me makes it sound like you're blaming Gearbox as a whole, as if this is their own attitude towards female gamers when the comments came from a single man of the company.
The skill tree is named "Best Friends Forever" but John Hemingway personally dubbed it as "Girlfriend mode". He probably just thought it was a cute anecdote to help get the point across of this particular skill tree's concept. Now to me he doesn't come off as some angry sexist but just a bit of a clueless ignorant guy who clearly didn't realize what he was saying was dumb. He just needs someone to help inform him a little so he'll realize his mistake is all. He was playing with a common stereotype and got burned a bit by it.
One guys comments does not equal those views of a company, it's just a simple skill tree designed for players who might not be as skilled at games as the rest of us, so for me I see no problem, there was no malicious force or hatred behind the guys words, it was just a silly mistake in my eyes.
The skill tree is named "Best Friends Forever" but John Hemingway personally dubbed it as "Girlfriend mode". He probably just thought it was a cute anecdote to help get the point across of this particular skill tree's concept. Now to me he doesn't come off as some angry sexist but just a bit of a clueless ignorant guy who clearly didn't realize what he was saying was dumb. He just needs someone to help inform him a little so he'll realize his mistake is all. He was playing with a common stereotype and got burned a bit by it.
One guys comments does not equal those views of a company, it's just a simple skill tree designed for players who might not be as skilled at games as the rest of us, so for me I see no problem, there was no malicious force or hatred behind the guys words, it was just a silly mistake in my eyes.
@DynamoJoe
Hahaha. I suppose so.
@MisterDonut
Then why was he picked to do an interview with Eurogamer? If you don't want one particular guy representing your company, you don't send him out for an interview.
I didn't say he was trying to be malicious, though. Like I mentioned, it was "unintentionally" sexist. Still, his comment was stupid and he should face some kind of repercussion. Obviously firing him isn't correct, but they shouldn't allow him to represent the game any further.
Also, if the skill tree is designed for gamers with no skill, why is it referred to by gender? You don't need to be a female to be bad at video games. I've met plenty of men who suck.
So, you're correct in the one way that I may be over reacting a bit, but this isn't something we should just brush off like nothing. Yeah, I doubt Hemingway is a sexist pig, but we can't let idiotic comments like this slide.
Hahaha. I suppose so.
@MisterDonut
Then why was he picked to do an interview with Eurogamer? If you don't want one particular guy representing your company, you don't send him out for an interview.
I didn't say he was trying to be malicious, though. Like I mentioned, it was "unintentionally" sexist. Still, his comment was stupid and he should face some kind of repercussion. Obviously firing him isn't correct, but they shouldn't allow him to represent the game any further.
Also, if the skill tree is designed for gamers with no skill, why is it referred to by gender? You don't need to be a female to be bad at video games. I've met plenty of men who suck.
So, you're correct in the one way that I may be over reacting a bit, but this isn't something we should just brush off like nothing. Yeah, I doubt Hemingway is a sexist pig, but we can't let idiotic comments like this slide.
I sorta get that but still I don't think people relate a certain person to a company all that closely unless it's someone like Shigeru Miyamoto. He felt more there for personal insight to me, but I see where you're coming from.
Bad wording on my part then, just for me personally if there's no malicious intent behind a persons words regarding a controversy like this then I'm more forgiving. It's more important for him to be helped understand why what he said could be easily taken as incredibly patronizing and somewhat sexist to people.
I see how it can be quite suspect considering the skill tree is for a female character but and yeah maybe they should change that since it gives off the wrong message, but I doubt it's the companies intended message.
But I do agree that his comments were ignorant and pretty dumb, I just feel like it's important we save our anger for the truly bigoted people out there, those that make actual genuine malicious comments.
Bad wording on my part then, just for me personally if there's no malicious intent behind a persons words regarding a controversy like this then I'm more forgiving. It's more important for him to be helped understand why what he said could be easily taken as incredibly patronizing and somewhat sexist to people.
I see how it can be quite suspect considering the skill tree is for a female character but and yeah maybe they should change that since it gives off the wrong message, but I doubt it's the companies intended message.
But I do agree that his comments were ignorant and pretty dumb, I just feel like it's important we save our anger for the truly bigoted people out there, those that make actual genuine malicious comments.
I don't really agree with the Tomb Raider/Crystal Dynamics "shooting themselves in the feet" with the rape scene. With the backpedaling maybe but I don't find see really what the issue is with it... It's ok when it's a joke? It's ok when pyramid head does it? It's not like it's just thrown in there for shits and giggles and the guy busts out and says "IT'S SURPRISE SEX TIME!" it's a character building arc. Honestly it's not like revenge for attempted rape isn't had... ripped off ear and being shot is some justice :|
And for Gearbox and the lack of females in Alien Colonial Marines: Seriously, it wasn't so long ago it was "illegal" by having females in games that got killed (hence poison being a dude), what is it supposed illegal to not have them there to get killed now? It's a damn crime to not have them?
And for the Gearbox snafu... it's not like it's an official line in the game or something. If it was something in the actual game, or even pitched/used why all the vitriol? I get being upset but seriously? Disregarding the notion that apparently people have the gall to believe that no one should ever in their life be racist/sexist, is it really that hair-raising? I mean seriously over the course of your life you'd think people would get over the small things and if not forgive at least forget/not give a shit.
It can't really be such a big deal...
Also: Seriously he says girlfriend mode, not "female mode", which is clear point to the girlfriend that gets dragged to play games in hopes of sharing another hobby. I think it's safe to say that among the 2 sexes the one that tries to get the other the most to play video games is the male side.
And for Gearbox and the lack of females in Alien Colonial Marines: Seriously, it wasn't so long ago it was "illegal" by having females in games that got killed (hence poison being a dude), what is it supposed illegal to not have them there to get killed now? It's a damn crime to not have them?
And for the Gearbox snafu... it's not like it's an official line in the game or something. If it was something in the actual game, or even pitched/used why all the vitriol? I get being upset but seriously? Disregarding the notion that apparently people have the gall to believe that no one should ever in their life be racist/sexist, is it really that hair-raising? I mean seriously over the course of your life you'd think people would get over the small things and if not forgive at least forget/not give a shit.
It can't really be such a big deal...
Also: Seriously he says girlfriend mode, not "female mode", which is clear point to the girlfriend that gets dragged to play games in hopes of sharing another hobby. I think it's safe to say that among the 2 sexes the one that tries to get the other the most to play video games is the male side.
People need to reflect a little before they carelessly offend huge portions of the population with thoughtless comments. Or rush to their keyboards to defend the same.
The specific incident in this case was not as overtly offensive as the in-game content in several big releases in the last few years, but the casual sexism of such a comment is pretty shitty in its own way when you think about it.
Is it right to stick it to a whole company? I dunno, on one hand it seems a little harsh, but on the other perhaps harsh consequences will spur greater care in the future.
And yeah Dao2whatever, people should go through their life without being racist or sexist. It isn't that fucking much to ask that people treat others with the respect that everybody is due, regardless of race or gender.
The specific incident in this case was not as overtly offensive as the in-game content in several big releases in the last few years, but the casual sexism of such a comment is pretty shitty in its own way when you think about it.
Is it right to stick it to a whole company? I dunno, on one hand it seems a little harsh, but on the other perhaps harsh consequences will spur greater care in the future.
And yeah Dao2whatever, people should go through their life without being racist or sexist. It isn't that fucking much to ask that people treat others with the respect that everybody is due, regardless of race or gender.
@MisterDonut
I suppose so. I'm not fuming, though, so I'll manage to get through the week.
@Doa2-SKP
But why label it by gender? Significant Other mode would be a much better name instead of implying that it is girlfriends who are getting dragged into gaming. The only retort would be that a man is a girlfriend, but that has it's own word; "Boyfriend."
I never said I wouldn't forgive him, either. For now, though, something needs to be done.
I suppose so. I'm not fuming, though, so I'll manage to get through the week.
@Doa2-SKP
But why label it by gender? Significant Other mode would be a much better name instead of implying that it is girlfriends who are getting dragged into gaming. The only retort would be that a man is a girlfriend, but that has it's own word; "Boyfriend."
I never said I wouldn't forgive him, either. For now, though, something needs to be done.
It isn't labeled by gender, it's one guy who just thought of it that way. I'm sure there's plenty of times you've done something that can be construed as racist or sexist without even realizing you're doing so.
Seriously why do you think something needs to be done? It's not an official line or something it's just some dude who said something. Pretty much get over it :|
I guarantee you if it was a male character and they called it "sissy mode" or something pretty much no one would care, at all.
Seriously why do you think something needs to be done? It's not an official line or something it's just some dude who said something. Pretty much get over it :|
I guarantee you if it was a male character and they called it "sissy mode" or something pretty much no one would care, at all.

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