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Is Guitar Hero 4 setting itself up to fail?
Kif | 4:20 PM on 08.10.2008 15 comments


While most people on the internet cry wolf at Guitar Hero 4's gameplay because "HURR DURR THEY R COYPIN ROCK BADN!!", I'm welcome to give it the benefit of the doubt. Developer fanboyism is retardedly worse than console fanboyism, mostly because it goes unnoticed by the majority of the internet's occupants. Probably because they're the ones doing it, but whatever, that's another story. My point is that I can accept that GH4 might be good. We just don't know yet. Looking at the screenshots, it definitely looks like Rock Band, and Rock Band was an awesome game. It was also monstrously hard.

See, while they promoted it as a community-based game, spending more time on gathering points together than competing against one another, it was hard. Well, the drums were hard, and that was the game's mass appeal. We've all sung before in games (Right... RIGHT?!), and we've all achieved rock stardom with our plastic accessories. The drumming was Rock Band's icing on it's moist, sweet double chocolate cake. The Rock Band drums were no joke. Like the first time you got to Hard in Guitar Hero and realized you actually had to move your hand. Even on Easy I had trouble at the start, getting used to that flimsy bass pedal and wave after wave of notes. There's no "You only have to use 3 notes in this difficulty" for drums. No, you're left with 4 pads, a pedal and a shitstorm of red, blue, green and yellow.



So why is this a bad thing for Guitar Hero 4? Well, traditionally, Guitar Hero has had a moniker of being a hard game. Scratch that. It's masochistic, it's demanding, it's time-consuming, and it doesn't take shit from anyone. While most of us play Rock Band for the enjoyment of even finishing a song, Guitar Hero is known for the challenge. The excessive note tabs, even if the note isn't in the goddamn song. Thanks to sites like Scorehero, communities gather to show off their e-peens and tell all how they FC'd that song you couldn't even pass on Hard. Now imagine this, except for drums.

Yeah...

I'm not saying it will be like that, because I'd like to think Neversoft have the sense not to kill their demographic by exaustion from playing a video game. But looking at the franchise's library, it's a definite possibility. And while this might excite some gamers, those of us looking for a quick thrill and some 4-piece band fun might have to look elsewhere. Of course there's always the easier difficulties. But if Rock Band drums on Easy were difficult enough, I can only think what Guitar Hero 4's will be like.



What I'm really curious to find out is how Rock Band have adjusted the difficulty curve (Or even if they have). After playing Easy and Medium on drums, there's not too much difference between the two. It mostly seems to be a faster fill every 4 or so notes, and maybe more bass pedal notes. Knowing Guitar Hero 4 is in the mix, and given their reputation of being a "hard" game, I'd be surprised if they didn't lower the difficulty to attract the more casual crowd. To me the guitar difficulty in Rock Band was perfect. A great mix of beginner's slowly learning the ropes to the Guitar Hero ex's jumping straight into Expert that stays true to the song it's tabbing and doesn't go overboard. I'd like to think Rock Band 2 will do this for drums too, but who knows. I guess we'll all have to wait to see what happens.



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Kinji's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 17:08
Kinji
The drums just take time to click with everyone. They seem overwhelming at first, but there's a point where you'll just suddenly get how to play with your hands and feet.

But maybe it doesn't work that way with everyone, which is one reason Harmonix put in the much more expansive drum trainer, which should make starting out a little easier.

The only feature that makes me wanting Guitar Hero 4 is the song making thing. Not that I'd be any good at it, but it'd be interesting too see what kind of instrumental tracks people can put in there... Black Mages anyone? Contra soundtrack?
flamesofchaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 17:22
flamesofchaos
Well ever since Neversoft and Activision took over the franchise GH games were artificially difficult which is bad because a lot of notes were put in where as you wouldn't play those notes if you were performing the song with a real instrument.
manta's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 17:50
manta
Drums you either get it eventually or you don't.

GH4 will be successful because of the song creator. The sheer AMOUNT of classic gaming tunes that people will recreate with this feature has my pants tightening. Who needs vocals when all you're emulating are beeps and boops?

Mega Man, Zelda, and of course Mario...all are going to blow your minds this fall.
Big Z's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 18:00
Big Z
I played Rock Band for the first time a couple days ago and tried the drums out first thing. Maybe I'm just lucky, or the exception to the rule, but I honestly didn't have a problem with them. I played two songs, the first on Easy to get a feel for it, the second on Medium as I became comfortable, before my friend begged me to take over on guitar. But as far as Guitar Hero being notoriously difficult... yeah, that sounds about right. I'm hoping World Tour will not repeat the same mistakes that made 3 such a disappointment.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 19:17
ajaxender
I dont care if the highest difficulty (whatever it is) has extra notes for extra challenge - IF they have a difficulty right below it which adds no extra notes and is as good a transcribing of the song as is possible for this system. Guitar Hero 3 pisses me off no end when i only want to play half a song; because i struggle with or even fail the other half because of random extra notes i know im not hearing.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 20:01
Yashoki
Set list is all that matters. The custom song maker will be nice, but unless they add some heavy duty KORG-DS style switches to mess with the song, its gonna be shit.
RAPEGAME's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 21:43
RAPEGAME
It's not like you can just add extra notes for drums anyway, one hit of a snare corresponds to one hit of the controller.

I thought that would be obvious.
K 2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 21:52
K 2
Honestly, I don't understand everyone saying Rock Band drums are difficult. When I first got the game, I started a hard drum career, and within a week I had beat it and had reached the penultimate tier on expert (I hate Don't Fear the Reaper so much...). And no, I don't play drums in real life, but I guess I'm just an exception to the rule; I do remember it being really hard initially trying to coordinate my foot with my hands, though.

Anyway, the easier difficulties will probably be fine for GHWT. They're even going to have a beginner difficulty, which just uses a single pad or just the pedal. The biggest problem with GHIII was the huge jump between medium and hard, so even if we assumed that Neversoft hasn't learned to make a smoother learning curve, the problem will probably be with people being either really bored on one difficulty or being completely overwhelmed on the next higher one.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/10/2008 22:03
JRisJunior
the drums in rock band are just like the drums in real life. i dont know how guitar hero can make drums harder than they would be in real life. you can only hit a drum so fast.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/11/2008 06:45
Anus Mcphanus
I had an issue with the drums in Rock Band at first but only because I wasn't used to it. Although you are confronted with all the pads and the bass pedal on easy it's pretty rare to be pressing more than 1 at a time if I remember correctly.

The drums as an instrument will be much harder to change in GH:WT simply because they are the core of the rhythm section. By adding in extra notes you change the beat and/or rhythm of the song which would completely change the song. Hopefully Neversoft are smart enough to realize this.

Also I saw an interview with Travis Barker who's a boss character about GH:WT and he said he asked Neversoft if he played the game on expert drums would he be playing what the actual drummer in real life would be playing and they said yes.
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